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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #80 on: June 25, 2021, 12:37:33 pm »
Sad to see this thread here.
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #81 on: June 25, 2021, 12:59:38 pm »
Sad to see this thread here.

Winjandlum's performances at the Euros have certainly put the club under a bit of pressure. A quiet passage to PSG and an uneventful close season would have been the ideal. But Gini is in serious danger of becoming Player of the Tournament and possibly even the winning captain. Whatever the financial sense of letting Gini go for nothing - and clearly there was some sense in this - if this happens and Wijnaldum does continue to produce a starring turn for the triumphant Dutch then LIverpool will be under added pressure to bring in a like-for-like replacement.
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #82 on: June 25, 2021, 01:02:55 pm »
Him being on 300k a week at PSG doesn't mean that's what he was demanding from us. I think its fair to assume he wanted parity with our top earners. You can debate whether he was worth that. I certainly don't think he's as good as VVD or Salah, but equally their next contracts will be significantly larger, too.

Ultimately paying Gini 10m a year for 3-4 years would be a more cost effective option than buying someone who probably won't be as good and certainly a better option than relying on Oxlade and Naby to finally deliver in their fifth and fourth seasons respectively.

Let's see who we buy though, then we can really judge it. I wasn't keen on letting Can go on a free until we signed Fabinho about a week later. Just can't see who is out there to replace Gini really, but recruitment is clearly one of our strong points.


I agree with this  - coming off a strange season where due to a recruitment risk (blunder) of not replacing Lovren, then getting loads of injuries and a players getting covid, losing form and our gamble of playing DCM at CB and eventually ending the season with our 5 & 6 choice CB's. We have an interesting challenge in replacing Gini and freshening up the midfield while also maybe getting another option upfront and refreshing the squad in attack.

As well who we sign it will be interesting to see who we extend this summer and who we let go and/or who we sell to fund other replacements.

We have another challenge in that we need to maybe to have extra cover for our African Nations Cup players (Salah, Mane, Keita)

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #83 on: June 25, 2021, 10:47:33 pm »
Him being on 300k a week at PSG doesn't mean that's what he was demanding from us. I think its fair to assume he wanted parity with our top earners. You can debate whether he was worth that. I certainly don't think he's as good as VVD or Salah, but equally their next contracts will be significantly larger, too.

Ultimately paying Gini 10m a year for 3-4 years would be a more cost effective option than buying someone who probably won't be as good and certainly a better option than relying on Oxlade and Naby to finally deliver in their fifth and fourth seasons respectively.

Let's see who we buy though, then we can really judge it. I wasn't keen on letting Can go on a free until we signed Fabinho about a week later. Just can't see who is out there to replace Gini really, but recruitment is clearly one of our strong points.

Gini is on 8.6m a year which works out at 165k a week. Gini wanted to stay badly the problem is he has been too good a team mate when he should have asked for an upgrade after 2 years to reflect his status in the team and the dressing room and instead played out his original contract which was reported at the time to be between 60k to 80k a week. Gini probably thinks he is about 8m down and expected the club to return this loyalty on a new contract but the money men at the club had different ideas. 

We should have upped him a new 5 year deal after 2 years and then we dont lose him for fuck all this summer. Also during Gini's time, Ox and Keita joined the club on bigger wages, Milner and Hendo are on much bigger wages and then last summer Thiago joins on big wages. I think Gini should have been rewarded fairly a long time ago probably around 2018/19 with wages on well over 100k a week to give him parity with Millie and Hendo which would have fairly reflected his performances not only on the pitch but his status in the dressing room.

Can you think of any other midfielder in world football who is an outstanding 8, can play superb as a 6 and as he shows for his country a world class attacking midfielder? I still think Gini is grossly underrated by our fans and the wider football community.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #84 on: June 27, 2021, 10:25:00 am »
Gini is on 8.6m a year which works out at 165k a week. Gini wanted to stay badly the problem is he has been too good a team mate when he should have asked for an upgrade after 2 years to reflect his status in the team and the dressing room and instead played out his original contract which was reported at the time to be between 60k to 80k a week. Gini probably thinks he is about 8m down and expected the club to return this loyalty on a new contract but the money men at the club had different ideas. 

We should have upped him a new 5 year deal after 2 years and then we dont lose him for fuck all this summer. Also during Gini's time, Ox and Keita joined the club on bigger wages, Milner and Hendo are on much bigger wages and then last summer Thiago joins on big wages. I think Gini should have been rewarded fairly a long time ago probably around 2018/19 with wages on well over 100k a week to give him parity with Millie and Hendo which would have fairly reflected his performances not only on the pitch but his status in the dressing room.

Can you think of any other midfielder in world football who is an outstanding 8, can play superb as a 6 and as he shows for his country a world class attacking midfielder? I still think Gini is grossly underrated by our fans and the wider football community.
Where does everyone find out player's salary info from?
Isn't it private?

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« Reply #85 on: June 27, 2021, 04:07:16 pm »
Where does everyone find out player's salary info from?
Isn't it private?
If I was earning £8.6m a year I'd be telling everyone to be honest

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #86 on: June 27, 2021, 06:06:42 pm »
Where does everyone find out player's salary info from?
Isn't it private?
It's almost always guesswork; often the guessing has been done by someone in the media or on a football news site or stats site and people just take it as gospel. Very occasionally there's real leaked info, but not often. Club accounts tend not to specify individual salaries.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #87 on: June 28, 2021, 10:59:42 am »
Where does everyone find out player's salary info from?
Isn't it private?
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #88 on: June 28, 2021, 11:01:58 am »
Gini is on 8.6m a year which works out at 165k a week. Gini wanted to stay badly the problem is he has been too good a team mate when he should have asked for an upgrade after 2 years to reflect his status in the team and the dressing room and instead played out his original contract which was reported at the time to be between 60k to 80k a week. Gini probably thinks he is about 8m down and expected the club to return this loyalty on a new contract but the money men at the club had different ideas. 

We should have upped him a new 5 year deal after 2 years and then we dont lose him for fuck all this summer. Also during Gini's time, Ox and Keita joined the club on bigger wages, Milner and Hendo are on much bigger wages and then last summer Thiago joins on big wages. I think Gini should have been rewarded fairly a long time ago probably around 2018/19 with wages on well over 100k a week to give him parity with Millie and Hendo which would have fairly reflected his performances not only on the pitch but his status in the dressing room.

Can you think of any other midfielder in world football who is an outstanding 8, can play superb as a 6 and as he shows for his country a world class attacking midfielder? I still think Gini is grossly underrated by our fans and the wider football community.

Ever so slightly disingenuous :D

£8.6 million after tax.....which in England would have been about £310k a week.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #89 on: June 28, 2021, 11:08:49 am »
Completed 10 passes yesterday, the lowest amount by a Dutch player in euro's history. Probably did loads of unseen amazing work though!

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« Reply #90 on: June 28, 2021, 11:55:05 am »
Completed 10 passes yesterday, the lowest amount by a Dutch player in euro's history. Probably did loads of unseen amazing work though!

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #91 on: June 28, 2021, 12:00:43 pm »
Winjandlum's performances at the Euros have certainly put the club under a bit of pressure. A quiet passage to PSG and an uneventful close season would have been the ideal. But Gini is in serious danger of becoming Player of the Tournament and possibly even the winning captain. Whatever the financial sense of letting Gini go for nothing - and clearly there was some sense in this - if this happens and Wijnaldum does continue to produce a starring turn for the triumphant Dutch then LIverpool will be under added pressure to bring in a like-for-like replacement.

Phew!
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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« Reply #92 on: June 28, 2021, 12:17:49 pm »
Phew!

Ever the servant, Gini leads his team out with barely a whimper to make his previous employer's lives a little easier!

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« Reply #93 on: June 28, 2021, 12:31:54 pm »
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In the last few years Gini has had the same invaluable role that Lucas had before him, in terms of filtering whose opinions are worth reading and whose are utter tripe. Now there's a big gap in our squad from that point of view, Edwards really needs to get on it.
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« Reply #94 on: June 28, 2021, 12:53:09 pm »
Phew!

Pity though. The club could do with that bit of extra pressure. 
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #95 on: June 28, 2021, 03:26:30 pm »
Gini’s performances these Euros and the reactions to them sort of encapsulate internet and social media football fandom to a tee.

From fans being annoyed he’d been ‘allowed to leave’, to fans of other teams who’d spent the last 5 years pretending he wasn’t very good despite the fact he’d contributed to winning so much, declaring him amazing after scoring a few goals and what an idiot Klopp was for having him play a different role, to him now being utterly hopeless cos he had a bad game along with the rest of his team (and head coach).

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« Reply #96 on: June 29, 2021, 08:08:03 am »
Pity though. The club could do with that bit of extra pressure. 
I think his work in this context is done.

Edwards/Klopp are on it by all accounts with a media consensus on us triggering the buyout clause on Otavio from Porto.

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« Reply #97 on: June 29, 2021, 10:00:53 am »
I think his work in this context is done.

Edwards/Klopp are on it by all accounts with a media consensus on us triggering the buyout clause on Otavio from Porto.



I have faith they are on it (whoever they have in mind). Their track record inspires such uncomplicated devotion.
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« Reply #98 on: June 29, 2021, 10:37:16 am »
Last day he's officially an LFC player. June 30 is when all contracts end.  :(

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« Reply #99 on: June 29, 2021, 03:24:35 pm »
Completed 10 passes yesterday, the lowest amount by a Dutch player in euro's history. Probably did loads of unseen amazing work though!

More in line with his Liverpool performances in the second half of last season.

Gini has been a great player for us, but he was becoming a lot more inconsistent over the last season or two.]

Great when he's really on it, when he's not really at it you can be carrying him in midfield.
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« Reply #100 on: July 15, 2021, 08:20:02 pm »
Saw a discussion on Twitter before about our strongest XI next season, wondered why nobody was starting Gini. Probably fuelled more by Erdinger than sentimentality, but still.

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« Reply #101 on: July 24, 2021, 06:47:45 pm »
an interesting interview with Winjnaldum in the Times!

When Georginio Wijnaldum bade an emotional farewell to Anfield in May, he walked through a 44-strong guard of honour comprising Liverpool players, Jürgen Klopp and staff. Xherdan Shaqiri was first to embrace the Dutchman, Klopp conducted the fans’ serenading of their beloved midfielder before he was presented with a commemorative plaque of the “Champions Wall” of club trophies. “I had to fight against my tears,” Wijnaldum recalls.

Liverpool loved him, he loved them and yet he was leaving. Speaking for the first time about the reasons behind his departure, Wijnaldum talks excitedly over Zoom from Parc des Princes about his new project at Paris Saint-Germain, and their “obsession” with the Champions League, but also with frustration of how his time at Liverpool ended as he “did not feel loved”. But by whom?

The players adored him, and posted heartfelt messages to their friend. Klopp admired Wijnaldum so much he gushed that “we have built this Liverpool on his legs, lungs, brain and his huge, beautiful heart”. Staff at Anfield, Melwood and Kirkby respected a friendly, ego-free professional. Fans revered him, appreciating his selfless work for the cause.

All remember fondly Wijnaldum’s 22 goals, 15 assists and 237 appearances over five seasons. They remember joyously when he struck twice on an unforgettable night against Barcelona in the semi-finals of the Champions League in 2019.

“Every day in training and in the game I gave everything,” Wijnaldum says. “Liverpool meant so much to me.” So why did he leave? “There was some moment when I didn’t feel love and appreciated there,” he reflects. “Not by my team-mates, not the people at Melwood. I know they all loved me and I loved them. It was not from that side, more from the other side.”

The other side? Did Liverpool’s board and the owners, Fenway Sport Group, push hard enough to keep a 30-year-old, offering a long enough contract? Did PSG, beating Barcelona to the free agent, simply make Wijnaldum a three-year offer that he could not refuse? Was it FSG or PSG, or were some of Liverpool’s legion of followers on social media the reason for Wijnaldum’s sorrowful departure?

“The fans in the stadium and the fans in social media were two different things,” he continues. “In the stadium, I can say nothing bad about them. They always supported me.

“On social media if we lost I was the one who got the blame — [claiming] that I wanted to leave. There was a moment when I was like, ‘Wow, if they only knew what I was doing to stay fit and play every game.’ You cannot complain because that is your job. But other players might have said, ‘I’m not fit.’ You get players in their last year who are like, ‘I’m not playing because it’s a risk.’ I did the opposite. I didn’t always play good but after the game I could look in the mirror and say, ‘I trained hard to get better.’

“There was a moment when I didn’t feel loved. In the last two seasons I had it a few times. The media didn’t help. There was a story like I didn’t accept the [Liverpool] offer because I wanted more money, and the fans made it like ‘OK, he didn’t get the offer so he doesn’t try his best to win games.’ Everything looked like it was against me. Some moments it was like, ‘Wow, me again?’

“My team-mates never had the feeling that I let them down or was taking the piss. For the manager, I was someone he was really sure he could trust. It also helped because I could play in different positions and do it well in different positions. I’d give everything.

“I got so much love not only from the fans but the manager and the players, the people who worked at the club. Players came to me saying, ‘This is your last training session, this is your last week at the club.’ It was really difficult and also emotional. A lot of time I had to fight against my tears. The love everyone showed [during and after that final game, against Crystal Palace] was beautiful.”

On June 7, before he captained Holland at the European Championship, Wijnaldum signed for PSG. “They showed me love and how much they wanted me to join this club,” he explains. “That’s the thing you want as a player. That’s really important and how much effort people put in first to sign you and help you settle in real quick.”

He smiles at the mention that PSG are “obsessed” with winning the Champions League. “Well, I have to say that I’m also obsessed to win the Champions League because I’ve seen how great it is and how beautiful, but now even more,” Wijnaldum replies.

“There is an obsession here to win all titles and be the best team in the world. I had the same at Liverpool. The Champions League, they wanted to win but the league was a must.”

He gives insight into his driven nature, relating his anger at starting on the bench against Barcelona. “When I came on [at half-time], [Klopp’s assistant] Pep Lijnders told me, ‘When we build up, you have to come as a back three.’ In my head, I was like, ‘No, no, no, I’m not going to do that. I just try to be up front, trying to score goals.’ I was so angry that I wanted to do my own thing and in the end it helped.”

In the final, Liverpool beat the Tottenham Hotspur of Mauricio Pochettino, now PSG head coach. “What makes him so good?” Wijnaldum considers. “The way he lets his team play at Tottenham and also here at PSG, with attacking football, he wants to press high. He wants to do all things that fans love to see. What impressed me the most about Pochettino is the way he works with players, the way he wants to improve the player. I’m really excited to work with him.”

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #102 on: July 24, 2021, 06:51:02 pm »
It was ridiculous the abuse he was getting from fans. Every starting XI he was in towards the end you had people complaining.

Worst was the Alisson goal and dickheads on Twitter/forums/podcasts deciding Gini not reacting how they wanted was another stick to beat him with.

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« Reply #103 on: July 24, 2021, 06:55:15 pm »
So he left because of some 14 year old keyboard warriors on Twitter, out of the tens of millions of our supporters on social media?

Nah, I'm not having it.  He's gone down in my estimations with this shite.  Just leave gracefully and quietly, or if you have to speak then admit it's about the money and length of contract.
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« Reply #104 on: July 24, 2021, 07:01:55 pm »
Hmm, not sure what to make of that. I'm not having it either. If he was getting racist abuse then that would absolutely be abhorrent. But if he was just getting (unjustified) abuse for his performances, surely someone of his age and experience can just try and tune those dickheads out. As he himself has said, it didn't come from the supporters at Anfield. It probably came from the far fringes of Twitter. Absolute scum who live to pour abuse over anyone and everything. Not real Liverpool supporters.

He didn't leave because he was "unloved," he left because he was offered more money elsewhere. And then when PSG stepped in with an even more shit load of money, he went there. If Anzhi Makhachkala had stepped in with even more, he'd probably have gone there as well. I have no ill feelings towards Gini. It's an offer most of us would take to be fair but anything else is just an excuse.
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« Reply #105 on: July 24, 2021, 07:02:02 pm »
So he left because of some 14 year old keyboard warriors on Twitter, out of the tens of millions of our supporters on social media?

Nah, I'm not having it.  He's gone down in my estimations with this shite.  Just leave gracefully and quietly, or if you have to speak then admit it's about the money and length of contract.

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« Reply #106 on: July 24, 2021, 07:02:59 pm »
What a load of utter shite from him. Hoping he isn’t thick enough to think he won’t get dog’s abuse at PSG either, but I doubt a few 12 year old kids posting memes actually had anything to do with his decision to leave.

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« Reply #107 on: July 24, 2021, 07:07:31 pm »
What a twat.
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« Reply #108 on: July 24, 2021, 07:10:44 pm »
It was ridiculous the abuse he was getting from fans. Every starting XI he was in towards the end you had people complaining.

Worst was the Alisson goal and dickheads on Twitter/forums/podcasts deciding Gini not reacting how they wanted was another stick to beat him with.

His performances the second half of last season (particularly that losing run) were dreadful. There were games were he barely completed 10 passes in a game, his stats were awful and we were basically playing with 10 men when we were already missing Hendo and Fabinho in midfield.

You could cut him some slack because he'd been ran into the ground playing every game, but for me he wasn't putting in maximum effort. If you don't do that then you'll get stick. You're paid well enough.
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #109 on: July 24, 2021, 07:16:36 pm »
I am not having that excuse. Performance criticism in social media is completely expected and happens to every single player. You can't state that as a Major reason to move on. I do agree that criticism does go overboard on social media, but it's not a new thing, an I just suspect that with no fans in the stadium, that noise got a bit amplified, but someone like Gini is old enough and smart enough to not take it that much to heart. I am sure it affects players, especially the negative stuff, but in today's day and age, part of being a professional footballer is learning to deal with that crap. Love Gini, but I am not buying this.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #110 on: July 24, 2021, 07:17:34 pm »
So he left because of some 14 year old keyboard warriors on Twitter, out of the tens of millions of our supporters on social media?

Nah, I'm not having it.  He's gone down in my estimations with this shite.  Just leave gracefully and quietly, or if you have to speak then admit it's about the money and length of contract.

yeah, it’s a weird thing to pick out, cos at the end of the day, surely he knows the type of ‘fan’ that is active on such platforms.  If he actually think they represent Liverpool, then that’s truly sad. 

Doesn’t excuse the shit that goes on there of course, and I do actually quite like the fact he calls them out,  but to say that was part of it, is odd. Cos he’ll get it just as bad at PSG.   He can’t be that thin skinned.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #111 on: July 24, 2021, 07:19:23 pm »
His performances the second half of last season (particularly that losing run) were dreadful. There were games were he barely completed 10 passes in a game, his stats were awful and we were basically playing with 10 men when we were already missing Hendo and Fabinho in midfield.

You could cut him some slack because he'd been ran into the ground playing every game, but for me he wasn't putting in maximum effort. If you don't do that then you'll get stick. You're paid well enough.

I wouldn’t say he received more criticism than the average footballer in any team with high expectation, and he certainly received much more praise. When you think of Wijnaldum you certainly don’t think of a maligned or criticised footballer. At all.

In fact he was widely recognised as one of our best players in the first half of the season.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #112 on: July 24, 2021, 07:21:33 pm »
Cant say I blame him. Plenty of stinking c*nts in our 'fanbase' calling him a twat, giving him abuse directly on twitter etc. Dirty rats.
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #113 on: July 24, 2021, 07:25:18 pm »
Obviously some of the behaviour from our online fans is unacceptable, but if this is a genuine top concern for him, he clearly has very little understanding of PSGs online and even match-going fanbase.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #114 on: July 24, 2021, 07:25:49 pm »
If he thinks PSG will be any kinder to him for a "bad" performance then he's deluding himself.
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #115 on: July 24, 2021, 07:37:36 pm »
What a load of shite.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #116 on: July 24, 2021, 07:49:14 pm »
First....don't bother with social media. It's full of shite at best.

Secondly, if you do bother with social media have a thick skin because no matter how good you are someone will give you stick.

Poor excuse from a decent man. However, it does smell of going to the highest bidder.

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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #117 on: July 24, 2021, 07:57:49 pm »
bullshitting fucker.....id have respected him more if he'd just come out and said he was desperate for the skiploads of dough a move would bring....blotted your copybook there lad
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #118 on: July 24, 2021, 07:59:43 pm »
Very weird article. I'm not sure how any party - Gini, his agent or the reporter and the newspaper - think they come out of it well.

Whoever's idea it was has had a stinker
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Re: Gini Wijnaldum
« Reply #119 on: July 24, 2021, 08:05:03 pm »
I'm interested in the Barcelona game - he usually followed instructions to the letter under Klopp so it was strange to see him totally ignore what was given to him in the match and do his own thing. I mean it worked out but still a little odd to read.
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