Topic: Battlefield 2042

[Kashinoda]

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[adruk87]

The game COD WW2 could have been.....?

[Schmidt]

I'm interested to see if they'll announce a battle royale mode, but beyond that I'm not too fussed about another WWII shooter.

[Kashinoda]

I'm interested to see if they'll announce a battle royale mode, but beyond that I'm not too fussed about another WWII shooter.

I'm pretty hyped, we had a spate of WW2 games in the PS2 but since then we've only really had that one COD game.

This was DICE's last WW2 game

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I think a modern World War 2 Battlefield game will be something to behold, I have a lot of gripes about Battlefield 1 but the foundation is there.

[KillieRed]

I'm pretty hyped, we had a spate of WW2 games in the PS2 era including Battlefield 1942 but since then we've only really had a single COD game.

I think a modern World War 2 Battlefield game will be something to behold, I have a lot of gripes about Battlefield 1 but the foundation is there.

 

Can`t wait. I loved(d) BF1, but imagine that with all the relevant WW2 settings, weapons, vehicles etc.

[Mark Walters]

Is this going to be a Playstation exclusive or is it also likely to be out for the XBone?

[Schmidt]

Is this going to be a Playstation exclusive or is it also likely to be out for the XBone?

PS4/XBox/PC, probably all at the same time.

[Hierro]

For a while I thought it might be Vietnam-era game as the official account was correcting people referring to it as Battlefield 5.

I'm looking forwards to it, whatever it is.

[Upinsmoke]

Is this going to be a Playstation exclusive or is it also likely to be out for the XBone?

No it will be on all major platforms except switch probably. Think Sony have the marketing for it though

Edit: My bad, Sony have the marketing for COD, MS for BF

[Schmidt]

Edit: Never mind, stream starts at 8pm but actual announcement is 9pm.

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[Hierro]

Twitch stream here for people who intensely dislike Youtube:

https://www.twitch.tv/battlefield

[Kashinoda]

It looks fucking mad

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[Upinsmoke]

I mean the graphics are great.

Zero WW2 authenticity going off that though. Not that arsed because I've played tons of ww2 stuff, but just vibe wise and in terms of realism they are going a different route i guess. Maybe more bad company theatrics than old school BF

[Schmidt]

The features they talked about for multiplayer sound really interesting, like another refinement of the destruction system they've been iterating on for years. The trailer wasn't great but it looked like a trailer for the war stories more than the multiplayer.

They really should've showed some multiplayer gameplay, people would be happier if they saw it in action I bet.

[Zizou]

Oh boy. They're doubling down on the BF1 formula, by the looks of it. Lots of flash, lots of cinematics, but hopefully they can back it up with a stack of content this time.

Shame, because I was hoping they'd drift back to the BF4 style of game, but it was a long shot. That said, we've seen next to fuck all, so here's hoping.

[Macphisto80]

"What if WWII was fought by hipsters and millennials..?"

That'd be BFV design aesthetic.

*sigh*

[Kashinoda]

Looks great, people were crying out for Bad Company 3 and that that's the vibe this gives me.

No Premium this time, lots of customization, some cool new game-play elements.

People crying themselves to sleep over a girl when 99% of people who play it won't even have that as their character. Madness, I hate this SJW culture as much as anyone but get a grip.

[Kashinoda]

A little bit more on this, there are significant changes to Battlefield across the board. Too many for me to list, this video sums up everything:

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Literally nothing like BF1, 3 or 4. Some similarities to BF2 at best, a lot less casual and more tactical overall.

[Schmidt]

A little bit more on this, there are significant changes to Battlefield across the board. Too many for me to list, this video sums up everything:

Literally nothing like BF1, 3 or 4. Some similarities to BF2 at best, a lot less casual and more tactical overall.

Just came here to link that, he gives way more info than the big reveal did and makes it sound very interesting. Still no mention of BR but I'm tempted to get it now.

[Kashinoda]

Just came here to link that, he gives way more info than the big reveal did and makes it sound very interesting. Still no mention of BR but I'm tempted to get it now.

I believe they're trialing it at the moment.

A full (long) list of changes here for those who don't want to watch the video.

Spoiler

Details:

• No Season Pass
• Launch locations are France, Africa and Rottedam and North Africa desert
• Coop Mode called Combined Arms
• Single player War Stories return
• Fortifications are things like sand ags, trenches, tank stoppers. Only supports can build offensively defense fortifications such as machine guns, field cannons and are much faster at building everything.
• Predetermined areas to build such as at flags, can rebuild destroyed buildings
• Health bar is in stages, only regen up to closet stage not to 100 anymore
• Physical interactions - every action in the game requires a player interact for things like medkits, spotting, ammo, ledge grabbing (example: healing requires walking over to a health pack, character animation to pick it up, then start healing)
• No more HUD/map spotting, spotting is based on movement/changes around you
• Much less ammo on spawn, out of ammo after a few fights, but more ways to resupply ammo in the battlefield from packs, crates, or grabbing small amounts of ammo off of bodies (all requires physical interactions)
• Revive system has a full on animation, takes a few seconds to complete, no more revive trains, takes time to complete
• Ragdolls are server side, can now drag a downed player's body elsewhere
• Any class can do a squad revive, takes longer than a medic revive, does not give full health points
• Can call for help when down such as in the trailer
• Ragdolls (player bodies) effect the environment, push down grass etc.
• Gunplay completely changed
• No more visual recoil
• Each gun has a unique recoil pattern that can be learned and mastered
• Bipods easier to use and setup
• Bullet penetration through thin wood, sheet metal, walls
• Movement change, can now dive froward, backward, left and right similar to R6 Siege prone system
• Diving has a delay to prevent dolphin diving
• Crouch sprinting is in the game
• Can burst out of widows and commando roll, no destroying windows first
• Can catch, throwback or shoot grenades
• Less grenades because less ammo
• Can tow items in the game with vehicles such as previously stationary anti-air guns, teammate can use an anti-air gun while you tow it with a vehicle
• For example, can drive a tiger tank towing a field cannon behind it or a truck towing ammo crate to resupply teammates on the front line
• Destruction explodes inwards or outwards based on where the destruction happens. Throw a grenade inside of the building? The explosion sends things outside of it. Outside of it? Breaks inwards.
• Tank driving into a building slowly destroys a building, walls slowly crack/fall, not instant
• Heavily focused on squad play, instant placed in squad when joining a game
• New squad spawning system, squad deploy system that shows what squad mates are doing in third person in real time before the tactical map screen, so spawning on squad is kicker than spawning on tactical map screen
• Since squad spawning/deploying is faster than tactical map, squad wipes are serious
• Squads accumulate points that can be spent on "squad call-ins", only squad leader can spend them in
• Squad Call-ins are V1 or JB2 rockets as seen in the trailer, supply drops with ammo/health, a smoke barrage, heavy weapon pickups (not hero kits), squad only vehicles such as Churchill crocodile flamethrower tank or the Sturm tiger
• Elite classes are gone
• Behemoths are gone
• Large, non-fatal explosions can knock a player over
• Four classes are back: assault, medic, scout, support
• Create a solider, add them to a company of soldiers, then can customize things like gender, face look, face paint, outfit, accessories, etc. and assign them a class archtype
• Class archetypes highly customization
• Can be an assault that specializes in anti-tank or anti-infantry only, or a mix of both, etc.
  
• Highly specialized archetypes called exotics such as a recon paratrooper, stealthy short-range behind enemy lines person who uses a suppressed SMG and silent gadgets like pistols and garrotes comes with silent footsteps and throwing knives
• Can change and add specialization trees such as agility, flak armor, suppressive resistance
• The more you play a class more you get more specializations/archetypes within said class
• Same system for guns, pick a gun, level it up, unlock specializations and making gameplay choices in a skill tree on that gun
• Specializations are the only thing that affects how a gun plays or feels (ex: bipod)
• Five-seven elements to change on a gun to make it your own (stocks, sights, muzzles, chassis, skins, leaves on the front, cloth on back, straps, etc).
• Gameplay and visual customization is SEPARATE. Look of weapon is just visual without impacting gameplay, specialization is what determines how the gun plays/feels.
• Same system for vehicles and planes
• Asymmetric vehicles for teams, (ex: one team might get a big slow tank that does lot of damage, other team gets a small fast tank that does light damage)
• Grand Operations gamemode, each day is a full match, always advance to the next day
• GOs have different objectives per day
• Success or failure in GO days have visual and gameplay impact
• Day 4 only has a chance to happen if there isn't a clear winner from previous days
• Day 4 is last stand, limited ammo, no respawns, whoever lives to the end wins
• Coop mode, combined arms with a dynamic mission creator/AI that sits between SP/MP as a creative sandbox
• Soldiers created for a company can be used in both coop and MP, parity
• No news on suppression yet, uncertain if in game
• All logic in game is server side, not client side so changes to systems do not require a patch
• Promises of more communication between devs and community, roadmaps, etc.
• New content is called Tides of war, daily/weekly/monthly challenges with overarching chapters and questlines that give you "unique items and cosmetics"
• Tides of War gives new maps, game modes, limited time experiences
• Variety of maps with different tones such as complete crushing battlefield chaos or more slow space large maps with tempo that goes up and down
• Gamemodes confirmed: Grand Operations, Conquest, TDM, Domination
• No news on RSP
• The Shhhh animation from the trailer is possible to experience in game
• Transport vehicles are alive on the map and can jump into them
• Combat vehicles spawn from tactical deployment map

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[Zizou]

That list is whole lot more promising than the reveal trailer. Hopefully it's great, because the whole genre needs a shot in the arm.

[PhilV]

I don't understand the backlash over the trailer, especially over the woman.

Yes maybe it's not historically accurate but neither is Battlefield as a whole, how many pilot where ejecting from their jet, putting out an RPG shooting another plane and landing back in their cockpit...etc etc... people are fucking precious these days. Yes the trailer looks a bit busy but it's just a trailer, the reddit for this is full of moaners already sayign to boycot the game omg.

[Ycuzz]

"What if WWII was fought by hipsters and millennials..?"

That'd be BFV design aesthetic.

*sigh*

Spot fucking on.

[Kashinoda]

Spot fucking on.

Not really spot on is it? What's hipster about anything bar the custom characters? And judging by the response it doesn't seem anyone wants to customize their character beyond 'army dude' anyway.

[Kashinoda]

I don't understand the backlash over the trailer, especially over the woman.

Yes maybe it's not historically accurate but neither is Battlefield as a whole, how many pilot where ejecting from their jet, putting out an RPG shooting another plane and landing back in their cockpit...etc etc... people are fucking precious these days. Yes the trailer looks a bit busy but it's just a trailer, the reddit for this is full of moaners already sayign to boycot the game omg.

The Battlefield subreddit became a mess within 5 minutes, I unsubbed instantly. They'll all be playing launch day, nothing better than to sit and moan about a 1 fucking woman who has 18 seconds of screen time on a 2 minute 10 second trailer.

The worst are the ones who bring up how their grand father died for this and would be disgusted at how they're re-writing history. Lets not mention he died so a EA could make videogames where you mindlessly kill Nazis, Allies and god knows what else for your own amusement. It's mental.

[Teapot]

Has it been confirmed if helicopters are in this? 

[PhilV]

Has it been confirmed if helicopters are in this?

Nothing yet AFAIK.

The Battlefield subreddit became a mess within 5 minutes, I unsubbed instantly. They'll all be playing launch day, nothing better than to sit and moan about a 1 fucking woman who has 18 seconds of screen time on a 2 minute 10 second trailer.

The worst are the ones who bring up how their grand father died for this and would be disgusted at how they're re-writing history. Lets not mention he died so a EA could make videogames where you mindlessly kill Nazis, Allies and god knows what else for your own amusement. It's mental.

haha I know, it's quite funny. Anyway it's only a trailer, I am sure things will shape up, Battlefield has not yet disappointed me and I have been playing since 1942 - Hardline or whatever the Cops and Robbers one wasn't really my thing though but yeah.

[Macphisto80]

Not really spot on is it? What's hipster about anything bar the custom characters? And judging by the response it doesn't seem anyone wants to customize their character beyond 'army dude' anyway.

Nothing wrong with customisation. It's just when you put the most bizarre and outlandish elements of it front and centre of your main reveal. Forget the gender politics, and even the racial ones. That doesn't even enter my brain.

The backlash, for me anyway, comes from them not making it clear enough that the game's customisable characters will not be standard in the way they presented them in the reveal. When you claim your shooter centers around an actual historical event without broadcasting that it's an alternative take on it, well, then, you can expect scrutiny. If they had have shown a dramatic single player trailer showcasing a woman resistance fighter somewhere in Europe, it wouldn't be a problem. Instead they showed weird design choices which is an obvious attempt to pander to the cosmetically driven financial honey pot games like Fortnite. It's obvious what they are doing is going to be microtransaction based bollocks. If you want to look like the female in the trailer, you can, but for a fee. I'd be shocked if it was anything other. It's EA.

They dropped the ball on the trailer. The game in reality might just turn out to be fine.

[Upinsmoke]

Anyone been playing the beta?

[Macphisto80]

Anyone been playing the beta?

Yeah.

The game is awful. There's some OK things to like, but the biggest detriment and criticism I can give it is that it's boring as fuck! It's just a mess design wise, aesthetically, and gameplay. Although the thing that was really the deciding factor for me in writing this off as the piece of shit that it is, is the snide, sinister decision to force you into the shop - if that's what it is - in order to use your weapon upgrades. I can see why the progression system is the way it is. It's to force each and every single person who plays this garbage in there to see what they have for sale. There's a grind in place for the in game currency, and it's all about the cosmetics, or the grab for your money to get those cosmetics. They'll claim it's "optional" though, as they usually do. It's Battlefront all over again. It's basically a reskin cut and paste job of the worst things that made Battlefront what it is, and BF1. I'll not be touching this with a barepol. EA and DICE can fuck off.

[Upinsmoke]

I think the game is quite good. I like the weapons and all upgrades I've unlocked so far have been pretty easy to acquire. It's pretty buggy though right now.

[Kashinoda]

Yeah.

The game is awful. There's some OK things to like, but the biggest detriment and criticism I can give it is that it's boring as fuck! It's just a mess design wise, aesthetically, and gameplay. Although the thing that was really the deciding factor for me in writing this off as the piece of shit that it is, is the snide, sinister decision to force you into the shop - if that's what it is - in order to use your weapon upgrades. I can see why the progression system is the way it is. It's to force each and every single person who plays this garbage in there to see what they have for sale. There's a grind in place for the in game currency, and it's all about the cosmetics, or the grab for your money to get those cosmetics. They'll claim it's "optional" though, as they usually do. It's Battlefront all over again. It's basically a reskin cut and paste job of the worst things that made Battlefront what it is, and BF1. I'll not be touching this with a barepol. EA and DICE can fuck off.

Probably the most fun I've had on Battlefield since 4.

The gun mechanics and feel are spot on, the attrition system and removal of 3D spotting are welcome changes. The fortifications which I first thought were a gimmick are actually really useful and change the dynamic of attacking and defending flags. Aesthetically speaking Rotterdam is beautiful but Narvik is a mess at times with the overuse of effects (i.e. snow), the UI on the whole is garbage though.

There's plenty to iron out bugs and balance wise but there's a solid shooter here.

In regards to the customisation and upgrade options, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

There's two options from the home screen:

One is 'The Armory' where they have all the customisation stuff you can unlock.
The other is 'Your Company' where you can upgrade your gun, set progression paths, change your loadout, appearance etc.

You're not forced to look at the store (Armory), heck, you can't even equip items when you're on the store page.

If I wanted to upgrade my Medic gun I'd literally do the following:

Click 'Your Company'
Click 'Medic Class'
Click the gun I want to upgrade
Hit 'Upgrade'
Select the upgrade path for my gun.
Done

If I then want to customise the appearance of my gun I can hit 'Customise' rather than 'Upgrade'. At this point I can use in game currency to change the appearance of my bloody gun.

I'm not sure how that's remotely forced down my throat. Bash the game all you want but don't make up shit just because it's EA.

[Broad Spectrum]

This is on my list for Christmas I think. Red Dead 2 & Super Smash Bros are day 1 buys for me so it’ll have to wait till then.

Looks good from the videos so far, albeit with a slightly arcadey look to it compared to the last one.

[PhilV]

I've massively enjoyed the BETA and am looking forward to the main game coming out, I just played enough of the BETA to get the dogtag (I don't like to burn out before main game comes out)

Grand Operations has a good vibe to it, I'm hyped.

[Zizou]

The UI is just fucking terrible. No idea why they persist with it.

It's a fine game, but nothing like a "Battlefield" title for me. They almost could have started a brand new franchise after BF4, such is the divergence in style and content.

I didn't like BF1 either, so I didn't hold out much hope for this.

[Macphisto80]

It's dogshit. Really, really bad as far as a Battlefield title goes. I've persisted with it for 3 nights now to see if I could find something that would click, and I'd see something of potential in it. No. No way. The core of this game is so badly designed, it's just basically Call of Battlefront now. Some might find that fun. I don't. It's a testimony of how bad a game is when you struggle to identify which faction you're in simply by line of sight, because they've got the aesthetic design so fucked up, they're hard to distinguish. The weapons are even allocated to the wrong sides. It's just mind-boggling stuff from DICE, but I suppose when your overseer is EA, you've to chase that Battle Royal customisation micro-transaction money train bollocks. They're supposed to be having another Beta before release. They can keep it.

Here's hoping for BF6. It's a bit of a stretch.

[KillieRed]

MacPhisto is really tempting me to buy this!

BF1 is actually my favourite of the franchise, I prefer old school over infra-red shite.

[PhilV]

It's dogshit. Really, really bad as far as a Battlefield title goes. I've persisted with it for 3 nights now to see if I could find something that would click, and I'd see something of potential in it. No. No way. The core of this game is so badly designed, it's just basically Call of Battlefront now. Some might find that fun. I don't. It's a testimony of how bad a game is when you struggle to identify which faction you're in simply by line of sight, because they've got the aesthetic design so fucked up, they're hard to distinguish. The weapons are even allocated to the wrong sides. It's just mind-boggling stuff from DICE, but I suppose when your overseer is EA, you've to chase that Battle Royal customisation micro-transaction money train bollocks. They're supposed to be having another Beta before release. They can keep it.

Here's hoping for BF6. It's a bit of a stretch.

No issue with your disliking it but the bit in bold I do have an issue with, the enemy doesn't look THAT much different in combat to you, that is actually the point at times, that was the case in real life at times too espesh after getting in the muck.

To further this one of the other issues people have with it (not one you mentioned mind) is that the "colours" are wrong, because apparently there are no wars/battle in green and sunny fields... people have a very morphed perception of combat because movies like saving private ryan and others greywash the whole tone/de-saturise the film in order to make it more gritty, so colourful fields did not exist.... except they did, and bright street with white clean buildings etc...


I like it mind, I do not like the UI, from BF1 onwards the UI has been worse than it was in BF4 for customisation and quickly moving between menus

[Kashinoda]

It's dogshit. Really, really bad as far as a Battlefield title goes. I've persisted with it for 3 nights now to see if I could find something that would click, and I'd see something of potential in it. No. No way. The core of this game is so badly designed, it's just basically Call of Battlefront now. Some might find that fun. I don't. It's a testimony of how bad a game is when you struggle to identify which faction you're in simply by line of sight, because they've got the aesthetic design so fucked up, they're hard to distinguish. The weapons are even allocated to the wrong sides. It's just mind-boggling stuff from DICE, but I suppose when your overseer is EA, you've to chase that Battle Royal customisation micro-transaction money train bollocks. They're supposed to be having another Beta before release. They can keep it.

Here's hoping for BF6. It's a bit of a stretch.

Sorry but it's more 'Battlefield' than 3 or 4. I'd love to know how it's anything like Call of Duty.

People are actually moaning that it's less casual now so I don't understand where you're coming from. Perhaps the enemies are hard to distinguish because they don't have giant Doritos above their head anymore, or appear as a bright red dot on the minimap?

[bailey90]

I played a couple hours last night and I actually quite enjoyed it.