Topic: Player Statistics 2007/08 - updated after MAN CITY (last 5 games)

[Greg]

So far this season, I've been keeping records of all our games and noting down player's contributions. Minutes, goals, assists (direct and not so direct), mistakes (direct and not so direct), yellows and reds. With the season only 6 games old, these stats haven't balanced themselves out yet, but they still make interesting reading.

Which player has directly contributed the most so far according to statistics? Most people would say Torres. I would as well. But after looking at his assists and goals per 90 minutes, it's actually… have a look at the first screenshot.

Which player has been our shittest defender so far, per 90 minutes? Riise? Yes. But statistically, it's… see the second screenshot.

Which player statistically has been (indirectly) responsible for the most team goals while he's been on the pitch? Have a look at the 3rd screenshot.

The 4th screenshot is just all my data...

More to come throughout the season.

[Spanish Fan]

Can't read them. You can get many stats on the Daily Telegraph webpage.

[wilo in berlin]

Where do you get the data from?

Obviously these are just numbers and don't take in to account opposition, type of goal blah blah blah but worth a look none the less. Can you include the passes, tackles etc (depending on your source)? What about how many of those minutes were as a sub? Match winning goals?

[fowlermagic]

Well from what I can remember you need to update your assist column with Crouchs assist when he flicked on the header to Voronin I believe.

[Redcap]

Surely it's a bit early to look at goals/assists per 90 minute stats at this stage.

[Arc]

I may have read this wrong but shouldn't Finnan have a goal fault against him aswell? The Chelsea penalty was, however wrongly awarded against him.

[Sissoko78]

I just read the footer on your posts, Greg.  Pure comedy.  Thanks for reminding me of Houllier's bullshit.

Anyone who is interested in stats would be well advised to take a look at the Telegraph's match reports.  You can hover over a neat graphic at the bottom of the page and learn all kinds of stuff (some illuminating, much not).

[Sissoko78]

Can't read them. You can get many stats on the Daily Telegraph webpage.

Sorry mate I just realised I just tread on your toes a bit with the Tele mention.

[Greg]

Can't read them. You can get many stats on the Daily Telegraph webpage.

Well fucking click on them then! They go bigger...

Well from what I can remember you need to update your assist column with Crouchs assist when he flicked on the header to Voronin I believe.

Thanks la, will update that. I get most of the stats from the official site - but the assists and faults all from memory. Which isn't as good as it used to be.

I may have read this wrong but shouldn't Finnan have a goal fault against him aswell? The Chelsea penalty was, however wrongly awarded against him.

I am biased, so no. Couldn't do it to him. These are not official stats, they're my stats, which may be seen through red tinted specs.

And even if stats are misleading, they're still better than doing work aren't they?

[Spanish Fan]

Well fucking click on them then! They go bigger...

I did, mate. But they needed extra zooming. Sorted.

Players stats here.

http://telegraph.jumpmediagroup.com/PlayerStat.aspx?p1id=5127&p2id=3789

And below very complete stats per game (on the right next to the game pictures window)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/main.jhtml?menuId=35&menuItemId=155&view=PICHEADLINESUMMARY&grid=F17&targetRule=5&team=14&teamname=Liverpool

 

[fowlermagic]

Nice site Spanish Fan...looks like its league only and wonder where fans go to get all games stats. Just need goals & assists really as I know Crouch has 1 or 2 assists so far but must be CL only.

[Oliver Anderson]

Nice work Greg.

I'd like to add this from the team at the football review (www.thefootballreview.co.uk).  This is the top 20 players in the league in attacking points - too early to rank by points-per90 minutes.  But as you can see Torres is number 1, Voronin 6th with an impressive rate, look out for Mr babel and Mr Alonso in the top 20 too.

Team                 Player        Mins        Goals         Assists    Points   P(90)
Liverpool    Fernando Torres   349   3   3   6   1.55
Portsmouth John Utaka           450   2   4   6   1.20
Arsenal   Francesc Fabregas   360   2   3   5   1.25
Chelsea   Frank Lampard   360   3   2   5   1.25
Bolton   Nicolas Anelka   450   4   1   5   1.00
Liverpool   Andrey Voronin   118   2   2   4   3.05
Fulham   Clint Dempsey   290   2   2   4   1.24
Blackburn   Roque Santa Cruz   293   2   2   4   1.23
Aston VillaGareth Barry   360   1   3   4   1.00
Bolton   El-Hadji Diouf   405   0   4   4   0.89
Fulham   Simon Davies   450   0   4   4   0.80
MiddlesbroStewart Downing   450   2   2   4   0.80
Liverpool   Ryan Babel   199   1   2   3   1.36
Newcastle Obafemi Martins   228   2   1   3   1.18
Arsenal   Tomas Rosicky   252   1   2   3   1.07
Wigan          Antoine Sibierski   252   3   0   3   1.07
Portsmouth Nwankwo Kanu   289   2   1   3   0.93
BirminghamMikael Forssell   355   1   2   3   0.76
Aston Villa Ashley Young   360   0   3   3   0.75
Liverpool   Xabi Alonso   360   2   1   3   0.75

[gnaume]

Can you include the passes, tackles etc (depending on your source)? What about how many of those minutes were as a sub? Match winning goals?

easy, easy, slow down lad! I do believe stats aren't the only thing Greg is arsed to do all day. Or are they?

Interesting facts, the Finnan-one came to my mind as well but fair enough to leave him out I suppose!

And why don't we play Lucas every match for 90 minutes if we score more than 8 goals when he's on? sack rafa

[Crosby Nick]

My conclusions: We bang in over 8 goals a game if Lucas played a full 90 minutes - why the fcuk is Rafa not playing him more!

Aside from the odd anomoly it makes for good reading, cheers. Nice to see so many players contributing

[royhendo]

Love threads like these...

Based on skysports.com's opta updates, our 'conversion ratio' last season, based on goals scored as a percentage of shots at goal, was 10.5% (540 shots, second only to Man U, resulted in 57 goals, less than Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal and equal to Spurs).

Our conversion ratio was 14th best in the league. So far this season, our conversion ratio is top of the league at 17.1% (64 shots have yielded 11 goals).

To put this in some sort of perspective (if that's possible at this early stage) if we'd achieved 15% conversion ratio last year on our 540 shots, (Man U achieved 15%) we'd have scored 81 goals.

Thus far this season we've played 4 games and had 64 shots at goal. That's an average of 16 shots a game. If that form kept up for 38 games we could expect 608 shots in the season, and if the conversion ratio stays at 17% we'll score 103 goals

But then maybe the law of averages will kick in...

Let's keep an eye on these stats cos they definitely illustrate how quality's improved in the final third.

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Let's keep an eye on these stats cos they definitely illustrate how quality's improved in the final third.

They also show that we've played one of the most gash sides to grace the top flight in the last couple of decades - up there with Swindon, Ipswich (when they were whipping boys) and Sunderland.

[Crosby Nick]

They also show that we've played one of the most gash sides to grace the top flight in the last couple of decades - up there with Swindon, Ipswich (when they were whipping boys) and Sunderland.

True but remember when we drew 2-2 at home to Swindon, Lost 1-0 to Ipswich the same season they lost 9-0 to United and let Sunderland take 4 points off us the season they set a record low.I think most people accept that Derby are gash and they will probably het humped by all the big teams but it's still nice to stick a handful (I'm inbred) past them or any other team.

[gnaume]

I'd rather beat them 1-0 and stick a handful past United instead to be honest

[jas red]

You got way too much time looking at these stats mate!

[FinnMacCool]

You've missed off Rob Stiles.

[Bogman]

I fink people have too much time on their hands.

[StuH]

Shouldn't Finnan have a goal fault against him? Despite it being unjust it was credited against him.

[fowlergod9]

I fink people have too much time on their hands.

i second

[Greg]

You got way too much time looking at these stats mate!

You're probably right la, but anything is better than the work I do. It's not actually that much work, once I've written all the different pages in Excel, it will just update and draw graphs by itself.

A few questions for people.

1. Who got the secondary assist for the Voronin goal against Toulouse away (if Crouch flicked it on)?

2. Who took the corner for Hyypia's goal in the home leg?

Love threads like these...

Based on skysports.com's opta updates, our 'conversion ratio' last season, based on goals scored as a percentage of shots at goal, was 10.5% (540 shots, second only to Man U, resulted in 57 goals, less than Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal and equal to Spurs).

Our conversion ratio was 14th best in the league. So far this season, our conversion ratio is top of the league at 17.1% (64 shots have yielded 11 goals).

To put this in some sort of perspective (if that's possible at this early stage) if we'd achieved 15% conversion ratio last year on our 540 shots, (Man U achieved 15%) we'd have scored 81 goals.

Thus far this season we've played 4 games and had 64 shots at goal. That's an average of 16 shots a game. If that form kept up for 38 games we could expect 608 shots in the season, and if the conversion ratio stays at 17% we'll score 103 goals

But then maybe the law of averages will kick in...

Let's keep an eye on these stats cos they definitely illustrate how quality's improved in the final third.

Good stuff la.

[Greg]

Oliver, cheers. I know you like your stats as well - I was trying to write a program that goes on Betfair, grabs the odds, then works out if it's worth betting on. But to work it out, I needed a value for each team, this value would reflect how 'good' a team is. But I didn't want it based on form, points or league position, cos I use them anyway. I need a good website that has this on it, and want it for the Spanish, Italian, German and other leagues. Any ideas? Long shot I know.

[royhendo]

They also show that we've played one of the most gash sides to grace the top flight in the last couple of decades - up there with Swindon, Ipswich (when they were whipping boys) and Sunderland.

Also that we've played Villa away from home (a team that's had clean sheets against Chelsea at home twice in consecutive seasons), and Chelsea at home. Sunderland aren't conceding goals by the barrow load at home either now Flesh Gordon's in the g...

But you're right - that's why it'll be interesting to keep an eye on over the season. We look like we'll top the 10.5% conversion ratio of last year by a stretch, and our defence is just as tight, so we're gonna go close. If we can achieve 13% based on last season's shots at goal we'll top 70 goals. I'd say that looks a real "possibility", as Rafa might say

[Sissoko78]

Oliver, cheers. I know you like your stats as well - I was trying to write a program that goes on Betfair, grabs the odds, then works out if it's worth betting on. But to work it out, I needed a value for each team, this value would reflect how 'good' a team is. But I didn't want it based on form, points or league position, cos I use them anyway. I need a good website that has this on it, and want it for the Spanish, Italian, German and other leagues. Any ideas? Long shot I know.

Your dreams are about to come true: check this - based on econometric research:

http://www.dectech.org/football/

Not perfect but not half bad!

[donut]

A few questions for people.

1. Who got the secondary assist for the Voronin goal against Toulouse away (if Crouch flicked it on)?

2. Who took the corner for Hyypia's goal in the home leg?

1. Finnan

2. Benayoun

[royhendo]

You're probably right la, but anything is better than the work I do. It's not actually that much work, once I've written all the different pages in Excel, it will just update and draw graphs by itself.

A few questions for people.

1. Who got the secondary assist for the Voronin goal against Toulouse away (if Crouch flicked it on)?

2. Who took the corner for Hyypia's goal in the home leg?

Good stuff la.

Good effort yourself mate - will pm you re the betfair thing...

[Filler.]

more fascinating stuff:

ps.. International goals scored... I missed a few I think... anyone have any tips?

[Redcap]

What are Man of the Match points?

[Greg]

Not that much changes after a 0-0 really. The only ones of real interest is the Total Minutes one.

Bit surprised that Mascherano hasn't been playing much this season. When he's played, he's looked good. Momo hasn't done badly but he doesn't bring that composure to the team that Mascherano brings.

Saturday fucked me off. It's almost as if Rafa wanted to play some people to give them their minutes. I'm probably talking about Crouch. If he wants to please players by giving them games, play them in less difficult home games. Not away games that we have enough trouble winning.

More stats after Porto.

[Brick Tamland]

ps.. International goals scored... I missed a few I think... anyone have any tips?

Riise has scored for Norway.

[Crosby Nick]

Bit surprised that Mascherano hasn't been playing much this season. When he's played, he's looked good. Momo hasn't done badly but he doesn't bring that composure to the team that Mascherano brings.

Probably been discussed elsewhere but Masch was in Australia last week and had a summer at the Copa America so think he hasn't featured much down to lack of sharpness rather than anything tactical. I'm sure when a lot of the big games come along Masch will be in there. I hope so anyway

[tamimio]

I like how the 4 new guys we've got (Torres, Voronin, Babel and Benayoun) are constantly present in the attacking stats... Shows that Rafa's dealings are already yielding results

[otitito]

Key stats for me,
We score more when Babel is on the pitch, rather than the 'impressive' Pennant

Even tho it's quite early, this would continue, IMO.
Pennant plays have been impressive, but that he hasn't got many assist/goals indicates he still needs to improve a lot

[Greg]

Key stats for me,
We score more when Babel is on the pitch, rather than the 'impressive' Pennant

Even tho it's quite early, this would continue, IMO.
Pennant plays have been impressive, but that he hasn't got many assist/goals indicates he still needs to improve a lot

I agree. The stats don't mention shots on goal. Babel has had quite a few, but I can't remember any from Pennant. I remember Babel linking up with Gerrard too, some promising combinations between the two of them.

[Filler.]

Riise has scored for Norway.

I've got that one cheers... just wondered if I'd missed one or two during the first international break.

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What are Man of the Match points?

top three players in the game.. 3 points for MOTM, 2 for number 2, 1 for 3rd. It's usually my own choice.. otherwise I'll nick it off ynwa.tv, but it's usually mine. Still haven't decided whether to award any points for the last game, tho maybe I'll give  Reina 2 and Finnan 1 or something..

[ep1987]

Filler you appear to have missed the 90 mins that Voronin played against sunderland and their is a problem with the Torres MOTM points, other than that impressive work.

Well done to Greg as well for taking the time to do this, could i recommend that you continue to post your spreadsheet data as well as it is good for totals.

Cheers guys for appeasing all your fellow stat fans.

[Phil M]

Greg is the new Kaizer!

How does 'Grizer' sound?