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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4440 on: November 4, 2019, 11:52:21 am »
He's been one of the best rightbacks in world football. The way we play requires the likes of Trent and Roberston. Why the hell would we put him in midfield  ;D

because. Just because. :D

He isn't getting moved from RB imo as long as Klopp is manager, and this will continue to be one of those annoying debates ala ''Henderson shouldn't be captain''


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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4441 on: November 4, 2019, 11:53:22 am »
One of, if not his biggest strength is his crossing though. Some of those whips from deep are unlike anything I've seen. Would we not be losing that by putting him centre mid?
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4442 on: November 4, 2019, 11:54:26 am »
One of, if not his biggest strength is his crossing though. Some of those whips from deep are unlike anything I've seen. Would we not be losing that by putting him centre mid?
Is Kdb making his crosses from FB position?

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4443 on: November 4, 2019, 11:58:17 am »
No idea, I don't watch City
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4444 on: November 4, 2019, 12:00:45 pm »
This is a chicken and egg thing though. Do we require discipline from our midfield and attacking creativity from our FBs from our fullbacks because that's the system or because that's who we have available? Klopp hasn't always played like this and in the past he's utilised more offensive 8s to progress the ball. At the moment, both given our FB's excellence and given the issues we have with Keita (injured lots), Lallana (legs going) and AOC (on the way back from a career threatening injury) we're playing this way. But could Arnold do more damage as an 8 in a slightly tweaked setup than as a FB in our current setup? Depending on how good he is offensively, the answer to that question might be yes. If it's already happening at the moment, as pop, says, then there'd be potential benefit to formalising it because the load on trent goes down. Having a higher average position than Henderson AND needing to play as a FB in defence? No wonder he gets picked up on defensive things occasionally by pundits. Again, not making this a hill to die on, just think the speculation is interesting. If he stays at FB then we'll have the best FB in the world for the next decade. We lose very little if anything.

I don't see how you can definitively say that, unless you expect the rightback to do his defensive job while covering the midfield gaps and providing width all at once. Henderson could be that rightback on paper, since he already does a lot of that, but he isn't a rightback by trade and has to assume a lot of default rightback positions as a game ebbs and flows.

Not saying Trent can't be a revelation in midfield, just that it's a different setup altogether.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4445 on: November 4, 2019, 12:44:50 pm »
I just hope we don't burn him out

He will be fine, there are plenty of lads his age doing 12 hour days on building sites, working weekends and then going The Beachcomber, Flintlocks and Baileys nightclub for about twelve pints of Double Diamond with Vodka and Orange chasers and then going for a Chinese in The Wah Do until dawn. He only has to play a game football twice a week..

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4446 on: November 4, 2019, 12:47:10 pm »
No idea, I don't watch City

He makes them from much the same area Trent does

Which is very relevant....if we played like Man City do. Which we don’t.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4447 on: November 4, 2019, 12:51:36 pm »
Josh Williams (@distancecovered) on the Echo’s Analysing Anfield covered this as well. He went down the route of Trent defining himself a unique role (covering the cons of moving him forward into midfield).

It’s a really nice debate because we have a manager and set up that isn’t fixed in the way it thinks about the game, formations, positions and so forth.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4448 on: November 4, 2019, 01:44:51 pm »
He makes them from much the same area Trent does

Which is very relevant....if we played like Man City do. Which we don’t.

I feel this is the most important point. The way we play its very, very important we have players with the traits of Trent & Robbo in the wide areas. I don't understand why we would voluntarily take that away?

I can't see that changing under Klopp unless we unearth someone better to displace them (as I don't think there is anyone on the market better than either of them to buy).




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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4449 on: November 4, 2019, 02:06:59 pm »
He will be fine, there are plenty of lads his age doing 12 hour days on building sites, working weekends and then going The Beachcomber, Flintlocks and Baileys nightclub for about twelve pints of Double Diamond with Vodka and Orange chasers and then going for a Chinese in The Wah Do until dawn. He only has to play a game football twice a week..

These builder lads wouldn't do so well on the pitch against professional footballers with appropriate fitness regimes though. Trent could probably play a game a day, perhaps more than one a day, and be physically fine. It doesn't mean he'd be playing well enough against fellow pros who have more rest.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4450 on: November 4, 2019, 05:30:27 pm »
I would absolutely love Trent to be tried in right side of a middle 3, he only needs half a yard to get his crosses in, ala beckham if you like.... he would pick up many balls in final third and score lots of goals from edge of box. Absolutely convinced he could play there and chip in with more goals than our current midfielders. Hopefully he can be tried there in future, there is no rush with him though,he is absolute dynamite currently, my favourite player

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4451 on: November 4, 2019, 05:35:51 pm »
I would absolutely love Trent to be tried in right side of a middle 3, he only needs half a yard to get his crosses in, ala beckham if you like.... he would pick up many balls in final third and score lots of goals from edge of box. Absolutely convinced he could play there and chip in with more goals than our current midfielders. Hopefully he can be tried there in future, there is no rush with him though,he is absolute dynamite currently, my favourite player
I disagree to be honest. I think it's a massive advantage that we have a player like that in a position that isn't usually associated with creativity. You can find loads of creative players to put in midfield but not many right backs with that ability. He performs as a midfielder might but simply does it from a different part of the pitch.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4452 on: November 4, 2019, 05:43:48 pm »
I disagree to be honest. I think it's a massive advantage that we have a player like that in a position that isn't usually associated with creativity. You can find loads of creative players to put in midfield but not many right backs with that ability. He performs as a midfielder might but simply does it from a different part of the pitch.

See Beckham. Except Trent is better all round, and has less of an ego.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4453 on: November 4, 2019, 05:50:21 pm »
Is Kdb making his crosses from FB position?

They whip in the crosses from similar areas. But, nvm that, I'm for TAA at RB.

I disagree to be honest. I think it's a massive advantage that we have a player like that in a position that isn't usually associated with creativity. You can find loads of creative players to put in midfield but not many right backs with that ability. He performs as a midfielder might but simply does it from a different part of the pitch.

This is precisely the point I was trying to make earlier as well.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4454 on: November 4, 2019, 06:43:24 pm »
You can find loads of creative players to put in midfield but not many right backs with that ability. He performs as a midfielder might but simply does it from a different part of the pitch.

This.


Sorry but really don't. We painfully lack balance in midfield as we don't have creativity, penetration and goals. Yes we're winning all the games but this season we're playing with a massive hand break on and it's a testament to an inhuman effort from our front 3 that is asked to create and score on their own. We grind too much lately because of it and it's a question how much longer can we sustain it.

Not this. We don't lack balance in midfield at all, we lack options as Keita is in and out and Ox is still feeling his way back - or as you yourself put it, Klopp doesn't trust them. I'd say the balance is fine.

The front 3 by no means create and score all the goals on their own, seeing as Trent and Robbo are contributing massively. So that's bollocks. And yes, they are making the effort, but Salah and to a lesser extent Firmino have been nowhere near peak form all season, both having a fair proportion of average/poor games - but we're still winning. It's not all Mane. It's the system and the whole team, which includes our midfield...the idea that the front 3 have been bailing out an awful midfield all season long is bollocks. No matter how highly we rate Trent, it'd likely take him months to adjust to CM and you've no idea whether or not we'd end up with a better team, absolutely no guarantee at all.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4455 on: November 4, 2019, 06:54:52 pm »
We already get this for free because we are a total footballing side. Look at the Robertson goal. Henderson drops in (a poor square ball means he has to drop deeper), Trent moves up and inside into the notional 'number 8' slot, Mane shifts wide right further up, Trent sees Mane's got his man isolated and sharply cuts back to make the angle for Henderson to give him the wall pass on the angle to Mane, Mane jinks outside then inside to make room for his cross...

Total fitba. Trent's average position is further up the pitch than Henderson. We're too wedded to our minds' notions of what a full back does.

Total football is right. Which almost makes this recent talk around here of is he a RB or a midfielder Totally moot no?! He’s already putting in numbers that better the best attacking midfielders in this league. From fullback!

Albeit, a fullback, who is basically a wide forward/winger given the amount this team attacks. He’s always forward. So is Robertson - that’s why they’re always on the verge of assisting each other. Teams which have 2 attacking fullbacks don’t seem to do that (one of them always stays back), but ours does. Maybe because they’re not *actually* fullbacks?

Fullback Total Football style. Just like when his GK’s laying on quarter back passes, the CBs running through midfield towards the box, the number 9 is actually a 10(ish), except when he’s a 9 and wingers who are actually world class inside forwards, except when they’re running back down the wing and putting a tackle on the opposing team’s winger.

Also, another way to prove he’s already a midfielder. Trent’s average position this season so far vs last season. I’d be surprised if it didn’t show he’s further forward. I don’t have access to the data but they’re posted on here every now and then. I think the whole team is, on average, further forward, but it’s being expressed by our fullbacks the most, and it’s why Trent’s coming into his own from that inside midfield area, in the opponent’s final third. His delivery is incredible. It’s why it’d also be interesting to see his numbers vs other creative midfielders. If they’re the same, or (as I have a hunch, better), then it would also put it to bed? He’s already a midfielder.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4456 on: November 4, 2019, 06:55:43 pm »
Great interview by Pepijn Lijnders on Trent.  :)

'A Ferrari without fuel is nothing - but Trent has so much fuel!'

Trent Alexander-Arnold's 'fuel, energy and will power' have driven the Liverpool full-back to elite level, according to Pepijn Lijnders. Alexander-Arnold created the winning goal on his 100th first-team appearance for the Reds on Saturday as Aston Villa were beaten 2-1.

It was another major milestone for the Academy graduate, who was Lijnders’ captain at U16 level five years ago and has since won the Champions League, been to a World Cup, received a nomination for the Ballon d’Or and much more. Liverpool assistant manager Lijnders has watched Alexander-Arnold’s development into one of Europe’s finest offensive defenders at first hand.
Through it all, the determination Lijnders saw in the protégé’s eyes as a youth player in Kirkby has remained – and, he says, is the secret to his success.

“I don’t like him… I love him!” the Dutchman told Liverpoolfc.com when asked about Alexander-Arnold’s century of games.
“A Ferrari without fuel is nothing. But he has so much fuel, so much energy and will power to develop and make his game better, and to make our game better.

“I saw that when he was 15 and 16, but to see it still in a player – in the eyes and in training – I think it’s the reason why he takes the game further and further and sets a new benchmark for an offensive full-back. “It’s good, it’s important for the club and for the fans. For us as a coaching staff, it’s important as well because it’s always nice to see players, if we give them the opportunity, they take them and take it to the next level.“He’s a good example of how the process should work.”
Such is Alexander-Arnold’s quality on the ball – which saw the No.66 set a Premier League record for assists by a defender in 2018-19 – many have suggested he could move into midfield later in his career.
The Scouser played in the centre under Lijnders as he progressed through the Academy and the coach agrees he has the capability to thrive in the position.
But given the balance of the current Reds team, coupled with the importance of the wings in modern football, the Dutchman sees no reason to switch Alexander-Arnold yet.

“He plays as a playmaker on the right,” said Lijnders.“I said already a few times I’m not sure how the game will evolve, the only thing I know is they close the centre better and better, and defensive stability is becoming better in teams, with five at the back or with four at the back, they defend the centre of the pitch much better.

“So the wings become more interesting and become more important, to have a good positional play there and a good offensive idea there.“Trent is one who gives us that from that position, he plays like a central midfielder there, how he puts passes. Of course, from the centre of the pitch you can reach many more positions. He has that in him, he did that before.

“But in this moment, why would you think about it if you have a midfield like that and Trent as a full-back like that? But, of course, he can do that.”
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4457 on: November 4, 2019, 07:01:34 pm »
“But in this moment, why would you think about it if you have a midfield like that and Trent as a full-back like that? But, of course, he can do that.”

Humankind is full of examples where we did stuff just because we could, without thinking whether or not we should...

Feel like I'm paraphrasing a film quote there but I can't think what it is...
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4458 on: November 4, 2019, 08:07:57 pm »
To me, this whole discussion seems like Beckham all over again - the football hipsters can argue all they like like they did with him that he can do so much more, but if you can cross like that, the world's best football managers are going to keep playing you on the right regardless, not in the middle. Might sound like an over-simplification, but I think it will turn out to be true.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4459 on: November 4, 2019, 08:14:07 pm »
Humankind is full of examples where we did stuff just because we could, without thinking whether or not we should...

Feel like I'm paraphrasing a film quote there but I can't think what it is...

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4460 on: November 4, 2019, 08:16:18 pm »
Humankind is full of examples where we did stuff just because we could, without thinking whether or not we should...

Feel like I'm paraphrasing a film quote there but I can't think what it is...

JFK's quote regarding going to the moon I think

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4462 on: November 5, 2019, 12:29:01 am »
Why couldnt he be a great midfielder? What is he lacking in his game?

If I was being picky, I would say a little bit of acceleration. De Bruyne moved from being a 10 to an 8. He always had that first two or three metres of acceleration to beat players. It's the one thing I have yet to see Trent do consistently. He isn't particularly fast but his reading of the game is so good that you never ever notice it. He's no slouch either but he's not a Walker or Mendy. I'm happy for him to be a full back throughout his career. Dani Alves did it and I don't recall the calls for him to be moved into midfield all the time and I think Alves is the model for Trent.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4463 on: November 5, 2019, 12:31:52 am »
Humankind is full of examples where we did stuff just because we could, without thinking whether or not we should...

Feel like I'm paraphrasing a film quote there but I can't think what it is...

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4464 on: November 5, 2019, 05:03:16 pm »
No way Trent should be moved to centre of the park. His delivery from central positions just isn't as up to scratch as his delivery from wide.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4465 on: November 5, 2019, 05:35:05 pm »
I just hope we don't burn him out

Tbf, on the sly he’s had 2 weeks off whilst on Int’l duty and another week off with a cold as well. Hopefully another 2 weeks rest sitting on England’s bench again in a weeks time.

He’s 21, so probably the ideal age for being fully developed physically and still have that almost unlimited energy of youth.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4466 on: November 6, 2019, 12:10:12 pm »
Absolute filth;

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4468 on: November 8, 2019, 09:46:27 am »
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4469 on: November 8, 2019, 01:36:44 pm »
Wasted at RB. Should be manager.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4472 on: November 9, 2019, 01:57:37 am »
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4473 on: November 9, 2019, 12:11:53 pm »
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4474 on: November 10, 2019, 07:08:53 pm »
Just wowww for that pass from his weakfoot. The curve on the cross for Robertson to get moving is pure filth. That goal is just poetic in every sense.

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« Reply #4475 on: November 10, 2019, 07:13:00 pm »
The TAA crossover pass to Robertson is currently the deadliest ball in football.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4476 on: November 10, 2019, 08:00:44 pm »
I keep thinking (for 2 years now) that Trent's hands are going to cost us one day. A couple of times he sticks his hands out looking like real obvious intentional handballs but the ref's somehow don't see them... the Roma one in the semi's 2 years ago was the most obvious one. Now, I don't know what one is going to suggest, we can't cut the hand off which offends thee, so we got to teach him how to move those hands somehow. And yeah, I know Silva hands the ball first so it's advantage Liverpool and goal is legit.
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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4477 on: November 10, 2019, 08:17:53 pm »
I'm still struggling to really see it as a handball and think that it's only the fact he opens up his hand in the way he does that is swaying opinion. When you're running your hands go back and forth.

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4478 on: November 10, 2019, 08:19:03 pm »
Decent third choice keeper  :)

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Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Reply #4479 on: November 10, 2019, 08:19:40 pm »
He can hit some belting cross field passes with his left leg as well.

Nothing amazes me now, he has all sorts in his locker.

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