Topic: New Annie road, small to medium expansion plans shelved.

[Son of Spion]

The guy is basically a childish c*nt, ignore.

On Peter McGurk, he’s not been on twitter or here, so I hope he’s well.

No probs. I was just a bit surprised to see the comments there. I'd completely forgotten Peter McGurk, but now Alan has mentioned him I remember him being on here. I hope he is well, too.

[meady1981]

The guy is basically a childish c*nt, ignore.

On Peter McGurk, he’s not been on twitter or here, so I hope he’s well.

Skyscraper city. Some of them usually get a bit tetchy when anyone comes at them with frivolous things like engineering, local topography, footfall feasibility and cost issues. Oh, and heaven forbid you should think of the residents when they suggest bulldozing a couple of streets to fit a triple tiered 30k mega kop (with corners).

[elbow]

Skyscraper city. Some of them usually get a bit tetchy when anyone comes at them with frivolous things like engineering, local topography, footfall feasibility and cost issues. Oh, and heaven forbid you should think of the residents when they suggest bulldozing a couple of streets to fit a triple tiered 30k mega kop (with corners).

Riquende has some excellent suggestions on the previous page mate. I’d love to see some of you’re brilliant designs for the Annie Road.

[Son of Spion]

Riquende has some excellent suggestions on the previous page mate. I’d love to see some of you’re brilliant designs for the Annie Road.

Yes. And if you do, could you please include a monorail from town to the new Road End please? 

[CraigDS]

I think the plan would be to stop cars getting that close to Anfield, rather than provide additional parking for more cars so close. It would just make traffic worse around there after games.

Also imagine the council would want to see the land used for something better than a car park. As it should be really.

[mikeb58]

I think the plan would be to stop cars getting that close to Anfield, rather than provide additional parking for more cars so close. It would just make traffic worse around there after games.

Also imagine the council would want to see the land used for something better than a car park. As it should be really.

In an ideal world, and one with decent public transport you're probably right, but at the end of the day, if people have the chance to drive to Anfield for the match, park safely 5 minutes away that'll would be their choice.

I agree, something other than a footy car park (not in use for a vast amount of time) should replace Goodison, but money talks (see Melwood)

[rebel23]

We should definitely buy Everton's land although not for a car park but could build an Anfield Plaza with shops and hotel. I think that would be a good investment

[CraigDS]

In an ideal world, and one with decent public transport you're probably right, but at the end of the day, if people have the chance to drive to Anfield for the match, park safely 5 minutes away that'll would be their choice.

The council wont want to encourage it though, so they won’t give permission for it.

Any transport plan which encourages traffic into the local area would likely not be accepted.

I agree, something other than a footy car park (not in use for a vast amount of time) should replace Goodison, but money talks (see Melwood)

I cant see the club spending what it may take to persuade them just for a car park.

[CraigDS]

We should definitely buy Everton's land although not for a car park but could build an Anfield Plaza with shops and hotel. I think that would be a good investment

There is a hotel in the current plans and a plaza going up towards the new Main / new Anny.

[rebel23]

There is a hotel in the current plans and a plaza going up towards the new Main / new Anny.

So what's going to happen to Everton''s land? Houses?

[CraigDS]

So what's going to happen to Everton''s land? Houses?

I imagine some housing (inc affordable housing), probably some sort of legacy park and some other community stuff.

I’m really not sure there is demand for 2 hotels in the vicinity of the stadium, as other than match days (so what, 25 days max out of 365?) it would likely hardly be used.

[Uncle Ronnie]

So what's going to happen to Everton''s land? Houses?

Their plans for their new ground included proposals on what to do with Goodison. Affordable housing, offices, green space etc. But I don’t think they’ve any plan to build it, just that they could sell the land and what could be done.

[Welshred]

Everton arent moving

[mikeb58]

Everton arent moving

I've got my doubts too, but I wish them best of luck with the move both for footy and non footy reasons.

[Jonny-B]

Their plans for their new ground included proposals on what to do with Goodison. Affordable housing, offices, green space etc. But I don’t think they’ve any plan to build it, just that they could sell the land and what could be done.

Schemes like this always involve a shit load of affordable housing to begin with to help them get pushed though and to curry favour with the council. Granted Walton is not exactly central London but the amount of affordable housing will get gradually whittled down as is always the case.

[CraigDS]

Schemes like this always involve a shit load of affordable housing to begin with to help them get pushed though and to curry favour with the council. Granted Walton is not exactly central London but the amount of affordable housing will get gradually whittled down as is always the case.

There really isn’t much demand for all that much else around there.

[rebel23]

There really isn’t much demand for all that much else around there.

What about a few high rise blocks? it works for Lords cricket ground

[CraigDS]

What about a few high rise blocks? it works for Lords cricket ground

It’s a highly residential (housing) area, no way permission would be granted for high rises due to RTL issues.

[afc tukrish]

It’s a highly residential (housing) area, no way permission would be granted for high rises due to RTL issues.

For the across-the-pond ignorant, RTL is ready to let? List?

[TepidT2O]

For the across-the-pond ignorant, RTL is ready to let? List?

Right to light I think.

[CraigDS]

Yeah, right to light. So basically you can’t build high level property which will put neighbouring property in the shade. Simply put.

So in the middle of 2 storey streets you’re not gonna get permission to build a high rise.

Nor would anyone really want to live there in that area.

[BarryCrocker]

Yeah, right to light. So basically you can’t build high level property which will put neighbouring property in the shade. Simply put.

So in the middle of 2 storey streets you’re not gonna get permission to build a high rise.

Nor would anyone really want to live there in that area.

There's a precedent. Anfield has been putting Goodison in the shade for decades.

[afc tukrish]

Right to light I think.

Yeah, right to light. So basically you can’t build high level property which will put neighbouring property in the shade. Simply put.

So in the middle of 2 storey streets you’re not gonna get permission to build a high rise.

Nor would anyone really want to live there in that area.

Got it, thanks...

[Alan_X]

Yeah, right to light. So basically you can’t build high level property which will put neighbouring property in the shade. Simply put.

So in the middle of 2 storey streets you’re not gonna get permission to build a high rise.

Nor would anyone really want to live there in that area.

That’s not strictly correct..

“Right to light is a form of easement in English law that gives a long-standing owner of a building with windows a right to maintain the level of illumination. It is based on the Ancient Lights law. The rights are most usually acquired under the Prescription Act 1832.” Wiki.

Rights of Light means that if you’ve had a particular window in place for 20 years or more, any new building can’t affect the amount of light coming in by more than a fixed amount. Rights to Light can be compensated by agreement.

For residential properties there are set daylight/sunlight factors that have to be achieved in living rooms.

“A dwelling can be said to receive adequate sunlight if its principal room receives 25% probable sunlight hours, including at least 5% during the winter months (21 September to 21 March).”

Daylight/sunlight are part of planning and building control.

In reality, both can be negotiated and it would be planning guidance about scale and the general feeling about high rise after Grenfell that would be an issue.

[RedSince86]

After seeing the Villa game on Friday  on tv and the Holte End being shown at the end, we should build something like that if it's going to be a 2 tier stand.

[Alan_X]

Safe standing discussion moved to the safe standing thread

[reddazforever]

Anyone know when we’re likely to get further details ie visual mock ups or confirmation of the new Annie stand capacity?

And on a slightly separate point, and ignoring the cost and transport challenges, could you add a tier to the existing kop from a technical perspective? Could the weight of a new tier be taken by some sort of structure on the outside?  Have always assumed we could only extend the kop backwards (although appreciate distance to centre spot guidelines etc) but interested in the thought of any structural engineers or architects on here

[Welshred]

Why would you want to add another tier to the Kop when its legend is built on it being a single tier stand? Add another tier and it isn't the Kop anymore.

[zod]

Swap ends?    Rebuild the Anfield Road end as a monster single tier Kop stand, and pop a tier or two on top of the present Kop end.   I'm sure someone has thought of it before.

[Welshred]

It still won't be the Kop if you switch ends.

[reddazforever]

Why would you want to add another tier to the Kop when its legend is built on it being a single tier stand? Add another tier and it isn't the Kop anymore.

Speaking as a kopite for the last 26 years, the kop’s legend is built on the noise produced by the passionate supporters and their never say die spirit that helps to produce unbelievable results, not (imho) by the fact it’s a single tier.  If we want more than 60k in Anfield after the Annie’s redone, then the kop has got to be an option for further expansion given you can’t rebuild the KD as houses behind would prevent a larger footprint needed and you can’t build higher.

[CraigDS]

The fact the Kop is a single tier stand is a huge part of its legend.

You’d also need to go back for another tier, which would cause the same issues as expanding it as a single tier.

[rebel23]

I have a feeling they're going to go for an 8,800 capacity stand for the Anfield Road taking the capacity to 62,000

[CraigDS]

I have a feeling they're going to go for an 8,800 capacity stand for the Anfield Road taking the capacity to 62,000

An 8,800 capacity Anny Rd would take capacity down 200 from what it is now.

[rebel23]

An 8,800 capacity Anny Rd would take capacity down 200 from what it is now.

Anfield Road stadium expansion: Liverpool announce plan to take capacity above 60,000 with ‘ambitious’ redevelopment

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/liverpool/liverpool-announce-plan-to-take-anfield-capacity-above-60000-with-ambitious-redevelopment-a4219361.html

I reckon they want a total capacity of around 62,000

[CraigDS]

We’d need a 17,000 Anny Road then, not a 8,800.

[rebel23]

We’d need a 17,000 Anny Road then, not a 8,800.

How many new season ticket holders will there be and how many will go on general sale? What were the figures for the main stand?

[CraigDS]

How many new season ticket holders will there be and how many will go on general sale?

No idea, we don’t even know what the capacity will be yet.

What were the figures for the main stand?

Think something like 2k or so new STs.

[Scouser-Tommy]

Speaking as a kopite for the last 26 years, the kop’s legend is built on the noise produced by the passionate supporters and their never say die spirit that helps to produce unbelievable results, not (imho) by the fact it’s a single tier.  If we want more than 60k in Anfield after the Annie’s redone, then the kop has got to be an option for further expansion given you can’t rebuild the KD as houses behind would prevent a larger footprint needed and you can’t build higher.

Totally disagree with your comments. The Kop is well known for being a single tier stand and the fans would not accept any suggestion of making it a multi-tier stand.

Rebuilding it would be the only option and even that is a none starter at this moment in time with the issues around/behind that end of the ground.

[CraigDS]

Totally disagree with your comments. The Kop is well known for being a single tier stand and the fans would not accept any suggestion of making it a multi-tier stand.

Rebuilding it would be the only option and even that is a none starter at this moment in time with the issues around/behind that end of the ground.

The best option, depending on how close the current steps are to safe standing regs (I'm sure Peter said in the past they meet them, but I could be wrong) would be to keep what's currently there, convert it to safe standing when allowed, then see if we can expand the corners and back some more to maybe try to add another 3-4k on.