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« Reply #58200 on: October 8, 2019, 04:43:06 pm »
Seems like Lindsay Graham is going to give Rudy Guiliani free reign to present Trump's conspiracy theories to the Senate Judiciary Committee and elevate them to a level they don't deserve.

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1181573611896868867

Good! Please, Rudy, tell me more about these global conspiracies.

I wish they'd done that to Kavanaugh - please go on, tell me about the Clinton-Soros conspiracy movement that is attacking you.

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« Reply #58201 on: October 8, 2019, 04:54:56 pm »
The recent tax case Monday is under the radar but is important. His defence was tossed out by the judge as ridiculous. So he is apealing...but the appeals court is pissed and is accelerating the process. The court wants to start this week and trump only appealed Monday...
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« Reply #58202 on: October 8, 2019, 05:05:33 pm »
It was always assumed people would never act so egregiously, so no-one ever had to/needed to put anything further in place to stop it.  The same goes for over here.

It's taken until now for people to realise they can exploit it. They can act disgracefully and probably get away with it if they just flat out refuse to engage in the process.

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« Reply #58203 on: October 8, 2019, 05:21:17 pm »
At what point is law enforcement sent to people's doors to compel their testimony?

Drag him in. Enough with this phony executive privilege bullshit. And get some staff lawyers to grill these fuckers

Seems like Lindsay Graham is going to give Rudy Guiliani free reign to present Trump's conspiracy theories to the Senate Judiciary Committee and elevate them to a level they don't deserve.

https://twitter.com/JakeSherman/status/1181573611896868867

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« Reply #58204 on: October 8, 2019, 06:21:37 pm »
Seems like they're doing everything to legally impede it?

Which is why arrests need to start being made.  The problem is that Trump will turn this on its head and make it look like a coup, when what's really happening is that he's breaking due process into bits by forcing it to take actions it should never have to take.

The recent tax case Monday is under the radar but is important. His defence was tossed out by the judge as ridiculous. So he is apealing...but the appeals court is pissed and is accelerating the process. The court wants to start this week and trump only appealed Monday...

Trump has made so many enemies its unreal.  At some point somebody is going to start playing by his non-rule book and fuck him up.
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« Reply #58205 on: October 8, 2019, 08:29:13 pm »
Gordon Sondland: US envoy skips Trump impeachment probe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/49976057

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Speaking to reporters Tuesday, Schiff laid out four parameters of the committee’s investigation — items that could potentially become articles of impeachment.

The panel is probing whether Trump solicited foreign help from Ukraine for his 2020 reelection, whether a never-realized White House meeting between Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy and Trump was conditioned on the country conducting investigations, whether U.S. military assistance to Ukraine was conditioned on those investigations and whether the administration has obstructed justice.

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Text messages released by House Democrats last week show Sondland working with another of Trump’s diplomats, former Ukrainian envoy Kurt Volker, to get Ukraine to agree to investigate any potential interference in the 2016 U.S. election and also to probe the Ukrainian energy company that appointed Biden’s son Hunter to its board. In exchange, the American officials dangled the offer of a Washington meeting between Trump and Zelenskiy.

There has been no evidence of wrongdoing by Biden or his son.

Among the most striking messages was one in which Sondland sought to reassure a third diplomat that their actions were appropriate.

“The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelenskiy promise during his campaign,” he wrote, adding, “I suggest we stop the back and forth by text.”

It was revealed Tuesday that Sondland sent that message after calling Trump directly and being told there was no promised trade of favors. Sondland reached out to Trump because he was concerned by the alarms raised by the other ambassador, William “Bill” Taylor, the charge d’affaires at the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine, according to a person familiar with the exchange. The person insisted on anonymity to discuss the conversation.

The messages were sent around the time of a July call between Trump and Zelenskiy that was publicly revealed last month after a whistleblower submitted a complaint. In that call, Trump urged that Zelenskiy look into corruption and the Bidens.

While Sondland emerges in the texts as in sync with the president’s wishes, he hasn’t always been supportive of Trump himself. He has contributed over the years to eventual Trump adversaries including Mitt Romney and John McCain. In 2015, he donated thousands of dollars to a super PAC associated with Jeb Bush, Trump’s Republican primary opponent.

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« Reply #58206 on: October 8, 2019, 08:37:20 pm »
Sondland's messages be8bg held by the State Dept are on his 'personal' phone...


But her emails!!!
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« Reply #58207 on: October 8, 2019, 08:45:25 pm »
Donald J. Trump@realDonaldTrump
As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over...

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....the captured ISIS fighters and families. The U.S. has done far more than anyone could have ever expected, including the capture of 100% of the ISIS Caliphate. It is time now for others in the region, some of great wealth, to protect their own territory. THE USA IS GREAT!


What does he mean with "I've done before"? Is he going to buy Turkey and run it like his casino or his airline?

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« Reply #58208 on: October 8, 2019, 10:38:12 pm »
The Washington Post
Analysis: Trump loves to tout his base. But a new poll shows increasing GOP support for impeachment — and even removing him.
 Aaron Blake
5 hrs ago


President Trump loves to talk about how much Republicans love him. Given his long-standing unpopularity with the broader public, Trump often homes in on his overwhelming popularity in the GOP. And then he takes that overwhelming popularity and Trump-ifies it, jacking up the numbers and falsely claiming that it’s a “record” amount of support within the GOP.

For a president whose political identity is so tied to his base support, a new poll has some bad news.

A new Washington Post-Schar School poll shows support for an impeachment inquiry rising to a new high after Democrats formally launched one. The 58 percent who support the inquiry is higher than in any other poll; the 38 percent who oppose it suggests only Trump’s most devoted base is now opposed.

But even that isn’t quite accurate — because it shows some of Trump’s base does support the inquiry and even his removal.

In fact, 28 percent of Republicans support the impeachment inquiry, and 18 percent say they support removing Trump from office, according to the poll. The rise in GOP support for the impeachment inquiry in the poll is commensurate with the rise in support among other groups, according to The Post’s Dan Balz and Scott Clement:

Since a July poll by The Post and ABC, there has been movement toward an impeachment inquiry among all three groups, with support for the inquiry rising by 25 points among Democrats, 21 points among Republicans and 20 points among independents.
This comes with a caveat: It’s the first poll to show such a high degree of support for impeachment and removal among Republicans, and we’ll have to see whether other polls bear this out. But there are suggestions that things could be moving with a small but significant slice of the GOP.

On Sept. 25, Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi initiated an impeachment inquiry against President Trump, following the whistle-blower complaint over his dealings with Ukraine. Select Congressional committees returned to the Capitol to continue impeachment proceedings throughout the week as Congress remains on recess.

A Marist College poll conducted Sept. 25, immediately after the House launched its impeachment inquiry, showed that 6 percent of Republicans favored the inquiry. A Quinnipiac University poll the same week showed 7 percent favored impeaching and removing Trump. (Impeachment merely brings the issue to the Senate, which then holds a trial and decides whether to remove the president.)

Other polls that same week, though, suggested more of Trump’s base being on board. A Monmouth University poll showed 16 percent of Republicans favored the impeachment inquiry, while a CNN poll showed 14 percent of Republicans thought Trump should be impeached and removed.

The highest support before now for the impeachment inquiry among Republicans came in a CBS poll, in which 23 percent — almost one-quarter of all Republicans — supported the inquiry.

All of those polls were conducted two weeks ago, shortly after the House launched the formal impeachment inquiry. Since then, polls have been less frequent. But a YouGov/Economist poll last week showed 13 percent of Republicans (about 1 in 8) favored removing Trump from office, which isn’t that far afield from the 18 percent in the latest Post-Schar poll.

In addition, the Post-Schar poll suggests impeachment support could rise even higher under the right circumstances. When the question is framed like this — “In impeaching Trump, do you think Democrats in Congress are making a necessary stand against Trump’s actions, or not?” — 36 percent of Republicans say that Democrats are.

It’s possible that support for impeachment in GOP circles is rising, as Trump’s actions vis-a-vis Ukraine come into focus. It’s also possible this is just a lot of polling noise. But despite Trump’s high level of support in the GOP, there has long been reason to believe there is something of a soft underbelly there, with many Republicans liking but not loving Trump and even disliking him personally. It’s possible many Republicans like Trump and even approve of his job performance but think there are legitimate questions here.

The party as a whole isn’t suddenly going to jump on board with impeaching and removing Trump. But it’s notable that the rising support for impeachment appears to include at least some of the base that Trump likes to tell us is so devoted to him.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/analysis-trump-loves-to-tout-his-base-but-a-new-poll-shows-increasing-gop-support-for-impeachment-—-and-even-removing-him/ar-AAIrZ9I
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« Reply #58209 on: October 8, 2019, 10:46:20 pm »
Who enforces those warrants ?

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The third type of contempt power—Congress’s dormant inherent contempt power—is rarely used in modern times. Inherent contempt was the mode employed by Congress to directly enforce contempt rulings under its own constitutional authority until criminal and civil contempt statutes were passed, and it remained in use into the twentieth century. Under inherent contempt proceedings, the House or Senate has its Sergeant-At-Arms, or deputy, take a person into custody for proceedings to be held in Congress.

Although these powers are not directly stated in the Constitution, the Supreme Court has ruled on multiple occasions that they are implicit as an essential legislative power held by Congress.

Justice Willis Van Devanter made perhaps the most famous statement of these powers in McGrain v. Daugherty, a 1927 Supreme Court decision about Mally S. Daugherty, the brother of former Attorney General Harry Daugherty.  A select Senate committee issued a subpoena for Daugherty to testify and to also surrender records from an Ohio bank. When Daugherty refused to comply after a second subpoena, the Senate passed a resolution issuing a warrant and authorizing a Senate deputy to take Daugherty into custody. Daugherty filed a habeas petition against his detention. A lower court ruled that the Senate exceeded its powers by detaining Daugherty, freeing him. However, the Supreme Court upheld his conviction, holding that under the Constitution, Congress has the power to compel witnesses and testimony “to obtain information in aid of the legislative function.”

“Each house of Congress has power, through its own process, to compel a private individual to appear before it or one of its committees and give testimony needed to enable it efficiently to exercise a legislative function belonging to it under the Constitution,” Van Devanter said. “This has support in long practice of the houses separately, and in repeated Acts of Congress, all amounting to a practical construction of the Constitution.”
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« Reply #58210 on: October 8, 2019, 11:06:48 pm »
READ: White House letter to Pelosi rejecting cooperation in impeachment inquiry

The White House on Tuesday sent a letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and other top Democrats saying it would not cooperate with their impeachment inquiry into President Trump over his dealings with Ukraine.

Accusing Pelosi and her colleagues of "seeking to overturn the results of the 2016 election," White House counsel Pat Cipollone in his letter said Trump and members of his administration "cannot participate in your partisan and unconstitutional inquiry under these circumstances," but stopped short of calling for the House to hold a vote on impeachment.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/464908-read-white-house-letter-to-pelosi-rejecting-cooperation-in

https://www.scribd.com/document/429357573/White-House-Letter-to-Speaker-Pelosi-Et-Al-10-08-2019#from_embed

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« Reply #58211 on: October 9, 2019, 02:41:50 am »

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It’s hard to count the number of ways that this letter is, constitutionally and legally, garbage.
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« Reply #58212 on: October 9, 2019, 03:24:42 am »
Federal employees will feel the squeeze from Trump's stonewalling now. The morons in the WH should not have sent that letter. (And it reads like a morons wrote it, too, because it quotes commentary on general house precedent and opinions from the office of legal counsel, but hardly quotes the house rules that demonstrate a requirement for Democrats to act in a certain way.) The House committees will have authority and grounds to withhold salaries and fine those who refuse to comply with subpoenas. The top brass won't have issues with that, but the people who work for them will. They face the prospect of complying and being fired, or refusing to comply and working for free (with mounting fines) until they do comply. It must be awful to work for this administration.     
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« Reply #58213 on: October 9, 2019, 04:04:51 am »
There is a reason why GOP Senators wont impeach him. Even though support for impeachment is 50+% in the country. In heavily red states from where most GOP senators and congress reps are elected, he is still very popular. 80+% of republican base is still behind him. Until that changes I don't think they will impeach him. Even if they hate him, they will just wait till he is voted out and then try to distance themselves from him.

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« Reply #58214 on: October 9, 2019, 05:44:14 am »
There is a reason why GOP Senators wont impeach him. Even though support for impeachment is 50+% in the country. In heavily red states from where most GOP senators and congress reps are elected, he is still very popular. 80+% of republican base is still behind him. Until that changes I don't think they will impeach him. Even if they hate him, they will just wait till he is voted out and then try to distance themselves from him.

But senators need independents to win their states. House republicans in gerrymandered districts are safe. The Senators don't have that confort. They fear getting primaried by Trumpsters. But ince the primaries are over, they will be freed-up to dissent from Trump.
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« Reply #58215 on: October 9, 2019, 06:17:47 am »
But senators need independents to win their states. House republicans in gerrymandered districts are safe. The Senators don't have that confort. They fear getting primaried by Trumpsters. But ince the primaries are over, they will be freed-up to dissent from Trump.

A lot of states are so red that it doesn't matter if they get independents but as you mention primaries are big factor too. I raise you a Ted Cruz as an example. In a state that is slowly turning Purple, he managed to squeeze out a win. I doubt he won that many independent votes.

Most of them are career politicians, and until they are convinced that going against Trump will help them get re-elected, they won't do a thing.

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« Reply #58216 on: October 9, 2019, 06:37:22 am »
He obviously feels getting impeached for obstruction of justice is a better look than being impeached for trying to clumsily blackmail a foreign government to investigate his political opponents. He is going to get impeached in the House whatever defence he puts up, so he's fighting back the only way he knows how. It's a reckless strategy as usual, but in a high stakes game you would be a fucking imbecile to expect him to play by the rules. Either way, I think he's well on his way to losing the general election.
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« Reply #58217 on: October 9, 2019, 08:27:50 am »
The Storm Before The Storm, by Mike Duncan

Very readable, approachable non fiction story whose parallels to today jump off the page.  It tells the story of how the Roman Republic fell; not overnight through rising dictators but rather through the fall of Mos Maiorum (sp?), which wasn't the actual rules governing the republic, but which describes the way things are done.  Like Mitch McConnell enables all of this deterioration in the present, different Romans paved the way for the Republic's fall simply by not caring how their actions were received/perceived.

I`m very much reminded of how Julius Caesar came to power - just ignoring norms and enforcing his will because he had the force of might on his side.

Robert Harris tells it well in his Cicero series with the chain of events that let such a man come to the fore and grasp his opportunity.
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« Reply #58218 on: October 9, 2019, 08:34:24 am »
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Televangelist Pat Roberston said that President Donald Trump's response to the Jamal Khashoggi killing and the decision to pull support from Kurds in Syria puts Trump "in danger of losing the mandate of heaven."

Oh, NOW you think the sex-offender might not be the Christ-anointed saviour.
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« Reply #58219 on: October 9, 2019, 08:41:48 am »
Oh, NOW you think the sex-offender might not be the Christ-anointed saviour.

Better late than never I suppose.
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« Reply #58220 on: October 9, 2019, 08:43:27 am »
The Storm Before The Storm, by Mike Duncan

Very readable, approachable non fiction story whose parallels to today jump off the page.  It tells the story of how the Roman Republic fell; not overnight through rising dictators but rather through the fall of Mos Maiorum (sp?), which wasn't the actual rules governing the republic, but which describes the way things are done.  Like Mitch McConnell enables all of this deterioration in the present, different Romans paved the way for the Republic's fall simply by not caring how their actions were received/perceived. 

I`m very much reminded of how Julius Caesar came to power - just ignoring norms and enforcing his will because he had the force of might on his side.

Robert Harris tells it well in his Cicero series with the chain of events that let such a man come to the fore and grasp his opportunity.

Funnily enough the background theme of growing wealth inequality isn't too different either.  Wealth and land being concentrated in the hands of the few.  Slaves (automation & outsourcing) disrupting employment. 

Hey Trump has even been creating his own proscription list.  Very "fall of the republic".  Though it's probably a great disservice to the senators of the late republic to compare them to the likes of Trump.
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« Reply #58221 on: October 9, 2019, 08:45:55 am »
I`m very much reminded of how Julius Caesar came to power - just ignoring norms and enforcing his will because he had the force of might on his side.

Robert Harris tells it well in his Cicero series with the chain of events that let such a man come to the fore and grasp his opportunity.

And we all know what happened to Caesar.  ;)
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« Reply #58222 on: October 9, 2019, 08:51:47 am »
And we all know what happened to Caesar.  ;)

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« Reply #58223 on: October 9, 2019, 09:17:16 am »
Et tu, Miller?

Oddly enough the thought did cross my mind. ;D He's the kind of loon who would betray Trump for not being evil enough.

I see the Democrats are considering having the whistleblower wear a mask and have their voice electronically disguised so they can testify - they're that worried their Republican colleagues will leave the session and immediately announce their identity.
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« Reply #58224 on: October 9, 2019, 12:10:36 pm »
A lot of states are so red that it doesn't matter if they get independents but as you mention primaries are big factor too. I raise you a Ted Cruz as an example. In a state that is slowly turning Purple, he managed to squeeze out a win. I doubt he won that many independent votes.

Most of them are career politicians, and until they are convinced that going against Trump will help them get re-elected, they won't do a thing.

The problem for them is that even in traditional red or purple states, the urban areas are democrat and the suburban areas are becoming democrat. So those senators who are trying to win state-wide can't totally ignore the suburban vote. Even rural states have big suburban areas, even without large cities.

I don't know if Texas is purple yet. Nobody was calling it purple before Beto. But they have huge sprawling suburbs...that is where the purpling is taking place.


But ai think where the Dems are having their debates is useful. Houston, then Ohio, then Georgia.
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« Reply #58225 on: October 9, 2019, 12:14:33 pm »
Televangelist Pat Roberston said that President Donald Trump's response to the Jamal Khashoggi killing and the decision to pull support from Kurds in Syria puts Trump "in danger of losing the mandate of heaven."

This more than anything screams to me that Trump is fucked in the election.  :P
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« Reply #58226 on: October 9, 2019, 12:19:37 pm »
Sharing this from the video thread.  A good watch revealing some of the increasingly desperate maneuvers being deployed by Trump's people. 

Sondland has been subpoenaed; judges are scoffing at the DoJ arguments that Nixon should never have been impeached because the documents used to do so should never have been handed over.  I'm honestly gobsmacked at the number of people burning their careers, risking their very liberty, for a man like Donald J Trump.  Some have no choice, but others must honestly think they can get away with this.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XB3XVBAUxq4" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XB3XVBAUxq4</a>
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« Reply #58227 on: October 9, 2019, 12:28:08 pm »
But senators need independents to win their states. House republicans in gerrymandered districts are safe.
I’ve always found it quite hard to articulate why gerrymandering is so bad, you usually end up with what sounds like a theoretical argument about certain groups being effectively disenfranchised.  But this is a bona fide practical example - it stops people from doing their jobs.

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« Reply #58228 on: October 9, 2019, 12:32:06 pm »
Sharing this from the video thread.  A good watch revealing some of the increasingly desperate maneuvers being deployed by Trump's people. 

Sondland has been subpoenaed; judges are scoffing at the DoJ arguments that Nixon should never have been impeached because the documents used to do so should never have been handed over.  I'm honestly gobsmacked at the number of people burning their careers, risking their very liberty, for a man like Donald J Trump.  Some have no choice, but others must honestly think they can get away with this.


This is why I'm hoping if/when Democrats come into power, they go in hard on all those who did President Trumps bidding clearly knowing it was unconstitutional

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« Reply #58229 on: October 9, 2019, 12:36:12 pm »
This is why I'm hoping if/when Democrats come into power, they go in hard on all those who did President Trumps bidding clearly knowing it was unconstitutional

They’ll just retire

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« Reply #58230 on: October 9, 2019, 12:41:56 pm »
This more than anything screams to me that Trump is fucked in the election.  :P

He was one of the people that would do nothing if he shot someone on 5th ave
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« Reply #58231 on: October 9, 2019, 12:46:31 pm »
They’ll just retire

Well I'm sure they could still be pursued from obstructing justice?

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« Reply #58232 on: October 9, 2019, 12:49:40 pm »
Well I'm sure they could still be pursued from obstructing justice?

I doubt it.

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« Reply #58233 on: October 9, 2019, 12:54:02 pm »
I’ve always found it quite hard to articulate why gerrymandering is so bad, you usually end up with what sounds like a theoretical argument about certain groups being effectively disenfranchised.  But this is a bona fide practical example - it stops people from doing their jobs.

The interesting thing is that gerrymandering has been about the suburbs. The GoP has designed urban districts that are Dem to be concentrated geographically. But they've paired populous suburban areas where they are strong, but not dominant, with lightly populated rural areas where they are dominant. The general logic is to not have GOP suburban voters drowned out by urban Dem voters.

The problem for the GOP under Trump is they are losing women voters in the suburbs and their rural voters may not be enough of a buffer to keep those districts red. And the suburbs are not as pure white as they used to be.

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« Reply #58234 on: October 9, 2019, 12:55:31 pm »
They’ll just retire

Some are retiring but not saying anything out of fear that their hand-picked replacements will be primaried. They may speak up later.
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« Reply #58235 on: October 9, 2019, 12:57:44 pm »
Some are retiring but not saying anything out of fear that their hand-picked replacements will be primaried. They may speak up later.

They only grow some balls when they've got nothing to lose, complete cowards the lot of them.

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« Reply #58236 on: October 9, 2019, 01:28:59 pm »
I doubt it.

Of course they can.  This situation is far worse than Watergate because Republicans are trying to redefine the constitution and what it actually means to illict corruption.

Retiring from politics doesn't immunise you from prosecution when you've effectively colluded in obstruction of justice.  Parroting to the media that the President was joking about asking China for help isn't illegal - but threatening to leak the identity of the whistleblower, and demanding that Trump has the chance to meet them and question them?  That's collusion in witness intimidation, ergo obstruction.

Stonewalling through the courts is one thing; flat out ignoring subpoenas on the grounds they are "politically motivated" is breaking the law - worse, an attempt to rewrite the law.  The argument will be where the line is drawn between politics and legality, and how much the public interest is served when it comes to determining if the likes of Lindsey Graham or Devin Nunes broke the law, and betrayed the oath of office they took.
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« Reply #58237 on: October 9, 2019, 01:50:55 pm »
They only grow some balls when they've got nothing to lose, complete cowards the lot of them.

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« Reply #58238 on: October 9, 2019, 01:52:41 pm »
Of course they can.  This situation is far worse than Watergate because Republicans are trying to redefine the constitution and what it actually means to illict corruption.

Retiring from politics doesn't immunise you from prosecution when you've effectively colluded in obstruction of justice.  Parroting to the media that the President was joking about asking China for help isn't illegal - but threatening to leak the identity of the whistleblower, and demanding that Trump has the chance to meet them and question them?  That's collusion in witness intimidation, ergo obstruction.

Stonewalling through the courts is one thing; flat out ignoring subpoenas on the grounds they are "politically motivated" is breaking the law - worse, an attempt to rewrite the law.  The argument will be where the line is drawn between politics and legality, and how much the public interest is served when it comes to determining if the likes of Lindsey Graham or Devin Nunes broke the law, and betrayed the oath of office they took.

Trump is forcing them to ask: "Do we have a king or a president?".
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« Reply #58239 on: October 9, 2019, 02:43:31 pm »
Trump is forcing them to ask: "Do we have a king or a president?".

No.  He's forcing Republicans to ask, "are we okay with having a king, rather than a president?".

It's nice having absolute power when your desires align, but any tyrant will throw you to the wolves (literally in some cases) if they think you've become a problem, or are simply no longer useful.
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