Author Topic: Liverpool vs Manchester United, Anfield, 14/10/2017 (Read 55742 times)

Klippity Klopp · « **Reply #120 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:45:03 pm »

Quote from: NorthamptonKopite on October 10, 2017, 04:42:30 pm

And yet we bought him, so your own personal views aside he needs to get an opportunity. He may turn out shit, I'm not saying he will or he won't. But with Mane out he's the only guy who has a few of the similar attributes that could be replicated in our system.

We've got Salah this season to provide the loss of Mane - with his pace, skills, directness & goals.

Last season Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were great when together.

I'm sure Coutinho, Firmino and Salah will be more than fine.

I don't see the need for Ox in the front three or think he's the right person for the role. He has pace, but he doesn't make the right runs for the role. He's better deeper as the play maker. Look at the stats Babu showed last season, he's extremely creative, just not a goal threat.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #121 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:46:01 pm »

Quote from: NorthamptonKopite on October 10, 2017, 04:44:16 pm

He runs at defenders and takes players on. I'd say it was the only thing he was good at at Arsenal. Surely there's no disputing he has pace on and off the ball?

I'd accept he has some pace but skill and directness? Not a chance.

NorthamptonKopite · « **Reply #122 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:47:17 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on October 10, 2017, 04:46:01 pm

I'd accept he has some pace but skill and directness? Not a chance.

We must be watching different players then.

didi · « **Reply #123 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:47:26 pm »

didint Mane miss both games against United last season?
massive blow given how'll United will set up...massive boost for the pricks

NorthamptonKopite · « **Reply #124 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:48:26 pm »

Quote from: Klippity Klopp on October 10, 2017, 04:45:03 pm

We've got Salah this season to provide the loss of Mane - with his pace, skills, directness & goals.

Last season Coutinho, Firmino and Mane were great when together.

I'm sure Coutinho, Firmino and Salah will be more than fine.

I don't see the need for Ox in the front three or think he's the right person for the role. He has pace, but he doesn't make the right runs for the role. He's better deeper as the play maker. Look at the stats Babu showed last season, he's extremely creative, just not a goal threat.

As I've said in a few previous posts in the last 30 minutes the other option is bring Coutinho forwards which works too, but I'd personally rather see him centrally I think he influences the game better there. I can see why we'd do that though especially for this game where we might want a more solid midfield defensively.

slaphead · « **Reply #125 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:48:39 pm »

Quote from: Sudden Death Draft Loser on October 10, 2017, 04:39:55 pm

Not based on his time at Liverpool, based on his time at Arsenal and his England appearances. Still no idea why we bought him.

Give it a rest eh ? Give the fella a chance he's only been here 5 minutes, Klopp rates him highly, so does Wenger, so have the last few England managers. So did Conti. Klopp has said it will take him time to get to where he wants him to be. Anybody can see theres something there, and anybody can see we have the man to bring that something to the party.
Personally I think he;s a cracking player and I'm delighted he's here

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #126 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:50:11 pm »

Quote from: NorthamptonKopite on October 10, 2017, 04:47:17 pm

We must be watching different players then.

Obviously, not sure you could call someone with his end product direct.

didi · « **Reply #127 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:51:08 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 10, 2017, 04:47:54 pm

He played in the home game.

ah ok thought he missed it

killer-heels · « **Reply #128 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:51:42 pm »

So for the forseeable future we get Can, Henderson and Wijnaldum in midfield? Yay.

4pool · « **Reply #129 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:52:42 pm »

Ox got an assist v Man Utd last season with a cross to Giroud.

slaphead · « **Reply #130 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:53:27 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on October 10, 2017, 04:50:11 pm

Obviously, not sure you could call someone with his end product direct.

Depends on your definition of direct doesn't it though ?, For me direct is someone who is happy to go at people, going forward as much as possible with the ball. Ox very much falls into that category for me. I'd call him a direct player. Thanks

NorthamptonKopite · « **Reply #131 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:53:50 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on October 10, 2017, 04:50:11 pm

Obviously, not sure you could call someone with his end product direct.

I think you can be direct without having a decent end product. What I'm saying is he's a guy that (tries) to play at speed, get to the byline, beat a man, get his shot away. I think he's got a poor end product at the end of it, sadly. The hope is that will come as he matures.

Titi Camara · « **Reply #132 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:54:18 pm »

Quote from: Funky_Gibbons on October 10, 2017, 04:44:29 pm

Matip, Can and Gomez are cracking in the air? Have we been watching different players?

Probably balances out somewhere good

didi · « **Reply #133 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:54:18 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 10, 2017, 04:51:42 pm

So for the forseeable future we get Can, Henderson and Wijnaldum in midfield? Yay.

depends on Klopp if he wants to use Chamberlin/Solanke/Sturridge/Milner/lallana over the next few weeks

slaphead · « **Reply #134 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:54:59 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 10, 2017, 04:51:42 pm

So for the forseeable future we get Can, Henderson and Wijnaldum in midfield? Yay.

Can needs an unmerciful boot up the cheeks and quick. He's just what we need against Utd in the middle, as in the one that plays for Germany not the one we've seen lately.

Funky_Gibbons · « **Reply #135 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:57:30 pm »

Quote from: Titi Camara on October 10, 2017, 04:54:18 pm

Probably balances out somewhere good

That's percentage won though. It's easy to have a high percentage if you don't challenge for many. How many actual aerial duels do they win compared to say Lovren who I'd say is our best header of the ball?

Matip is poor in the air, often loses the flight of the ball so doesn't even challenge for the header, Can is pretty similar and was caught out a number of times when he played in defence under Rodgers. Gomez is a bit more of an unknown.

killer-heels · « **Reply #136 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:57:36 pm »

Quote from: didi on October 10, 2017, 04:54:18 pm

depends on Klopp if he wants to use Chamberlin/Solanke/Sturridge/Milner/lallana over the next few weeks

Lallana is injured. Add to Mane that means that trio play which is not great.

didi · « **Reply #137 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:58:46 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 10, 2017, 04:57:36 pm

Lallana is injured. Add to Mane that means that trio play which is not great.

i thought Lallana should be back soon...his stepped up his recovery and is back outside running around a week or so ago?

slaphead · « **Reply #138 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:59:06 pm »

Heard today Rashford is a big doubt is that true or just rumour ? Looking for a bit of good news after the Mane news.

didi · « **Reply #139 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:59:13 pm »

Come back safe Bobby and Phil!!

killer-heels · « **Reply #140 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:59:13 pm »

Quote from: didi on October 10, 2017, 04:58:46 pm

i thought Lallana should be back soon...his stepped up his recovery and is back outside running around a week or so ago?

No he is back mid to late November.

didi · « **Reply #141 on:** October 10, 2017, 04:59:58 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 10, 2017, 04:59:13 pm

No he is back mid to late November.

ah for ffs surely cant be out till then if his back running

slaphead · « **Reply #142 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:01:39 pm »

Quote from: didi on October 10, 2017, 04:59:58 pm

ah for ffs surely cant be out till then if his back running

Depends on the injury mate. He could be running with no twisting, sprinting, contact, he could be doing that weeks before getting to the real stuff. could be really doing with him though thats for sure

sms1986 · « **Reply #143 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:03:21 pm »

Quote from: didi on October 10, 2017, 04:58:46 pm

i thought Lallana should be back soon...his stepped up his recovery and is back outside running around a week or so ago?

Likely to be back in contention in mid-November. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thisisanfield.com/2017/10/adam-lallana-heads-qatar-thigh-injury-rehabilitation-continues/amp/

slaphead · « **Reply #144 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:03:46 pm »

Anyway, Mane or no name, who ever we have out and whoever they have out - lets raise it and bleach the f**kers

sms1986 · « **Reply #145 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:04:40 pm »

Quote from: slaphead on October 10, 2017, 04:59:06 pm

Heard today Rashford is a big doubt is that true or just rumour ? Looking for a bit of good news after the Mane news.

I can’t see anything saying he isn’t, but they have Fellaini and Pogba out anyway.

didi · « **Reply #146 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:04:54 pm »

Quote from: sms1986 on October 10, 2017, 05:03:21 pm

Likely to be back in contention in mid-November. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.thisisanfield.com/2017/10/adam-lallana-heads-qatar-thigh-injury-rehabilitation-continues/amp/

back just in time for England so

killer-heels · « **Reply #147 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:05:41 pm »

Quote from: slaphead on October 10, 2017, 04:54:59 pm

Can needs an unmerciful boot up the cheeks and quick. He's just what we need against Utd in the middle, as in the one that plays for Germany not the one we've seen lately.

They all need a boot in the ass. I really dont like them 3 together as they are pretty ponderous going forward and poor defensively. If Oxlade-Chamberlain was in any form id just replace Mane with him, just to ensure we are not punished by seeing them together.

slaphead · « **Reply #148 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:06:06 pm »

Quote from: sms1986 on October 10, 2017, 05:04:40 pm

I can’t see anything saying he isn’t, but they have Fellaini and Pogba out anyway.

Heard it from the most biased Liverpool fan I know so could of been wishful thinking

Aye, no one can complain about injuries we both have them, bring it on

JD. · « **Reply #149 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:06:22 pm »

Just try and blow them away. Trying to play a tactical game or a balanced game against these and we won't win. Just do what we do best and try blow them away in the opening 20.

Mig
Milner - Matip - Lovren - Robertson
Can- Henderson - Wijnaldum
Salah - Firmino - Coutinho

slaphead · « **Reply #150 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:08:38 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 10, 2017, 05:05:41 pm

They all need a boot in the ass. I really dont like them 3 together as they are pretty ponderous going forward and poor defensively. If Oxlade-Chamberlain was in any form id just replace Mane with him, just to ensure we are not punished by seeing them together.

I agree. Utd will make it physical though, and while we need to impose our own game of course, having someone to give it out would help in the middle. Can can do that, when he really wants to. Bit of good PR work by the club, put it out Juve are there watching him and we're in business

sms1986 · « **Reply #151 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:09:04 pm »

Quote from: didi on October 10, 2017, 05:04:54 pm

back just in time for England so

Those matches are on the 10th and 14th, he’ll probably not quite be ready by then.

killer-heels · « **Reply #152 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:09:50 pm »

Quote from: slaphead on October 10, 2017, 05:08:38 pm

I agree. Utd will make it physical though, and while we need to impose our own game of course, having someone to give it out would help in the middle. Can can do that, when he really wants to. Bit of good PR work by the club, put it out Juve are there watching him and we're in business

There is nothing to suggest that them 3 do anything to help our physicality. I would say Coutinho is more physical than some of them.

slaphead · « **Reply #153 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:11:48 pm »

Quote from: killer_heels on October 10, 2017, 05:09:50 pm

There is nothing to suggest that them 3 do anything to help our physicality. I would say Coutinho is more physical than some of them.

I know, that's why I'm saying Can is ideal because the other 2 are not physical but Can has it in him. Actually I wonder if we might see Coutinho central and Ox on the left.

LFCTikiTaka · « **Reply #154 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:13:01 pm »

Quote from: slaphead on October 10, 2017, 04:54:59 pm

Can needs an unmerciful boot up the cheeks and quick. He's just what we need against Utd in the middle, as in the one that plays for Germany not the one we've seen lately.

Then we'd need to play him in his best position.

JonnyDubb · « **Reply #155 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:30:51 pm »

As someone who works Saturday 7am to 2pm, all these 12.30 kick-offs are fucking killing me.

sms1986 · « **Reply #156 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:32:59 pm »

Quote from: JonnyDubb on October 10, 2017, 05:30:51 pm

As someone who works Saturday 7am to 2pm, all these 12.30 kick-offs are fucking killing me.

Doesn’t seem to be another after this for a few months at least.

The G in Gerrard · « **Reply #157 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:36:29 pm »

Quote from: JD. on October 10, 2017, 05:06:22 pm

Just try and blow them away. Trying to play a tactical game or a balanced game against these and we won't win. Just do what we do best and try blow them away in the opening 20.

Mig
Milner - Matip - Lovren - Robertson
Can- Henderson - Wijnaldum
Salah - Firmino - Coutinho

Be surprised if either of those full backs start. Is Moreno injured?

goalspaytherent · « **Reply #158 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:36:58 pm »

Quote from: 4pool on October 10, 2017, 04:52:42 pm

Ox got an assist v Man Utd last season with a cross to Giroud.

Pretty sure I will implode if Alex Oxlade Chamberlain plays on Saturday

thelinnen · « **Reply #159 on:** October 10, 2017, 05:37:13 pm »

For what it's worth I think we needed to drop one of Mane or Salah anyway, playing them both at once clearly wasn't working, our attack is incredibly wasteful compared to this time last season when we played with only one pacy winger.

It looked nice against Hoffenheim and Arsenal but we've been woeful since then.