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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11880 on: April 21, 2019, 09:04:49 am »
Convinced this race is going to the last game when Brighton will need to avoid defeat to stay up.

Think that will be true. As long as we beat Cardiff today I think the relegation battle is likely to go to the wire.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11881 on: April 21, 2019, 09:08:43 am »
Convinced this race is going to the last game when Brighton will need to avoid defeat to stay up.

Tough to say - you would expect next weekend be pivotal for Brighton and Cardiff. Brighton have Newcastle at home which is probably their most winnable game left although they cannot score for s**t. If they win that, Cardiff need 7 points from 4.

We just simply need to win today and put pressure back on City.

If they win their remaining 4 then there is fuck all we can do. 

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11882 on: April 21, 2019, 09:10:02 am »
Think that will be true. As long as we beat Cardiff today I think the relegation battle is likely to go to the wire.

Beat Cardiff. Cardiff beat Fulham and Burnley still need a point to be sure but still have to play City, Arsenal and Everton but Cardiff play Utd.

There is a feeling it's going to the last day.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11883 on: April 21, 2019, 09:11:16 am »
If we’ve got any sense we’ll lose today so Burnley still need to beat City
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11884 on: April 21, 2019, 09:13:09 am »
If we’ve got any sense we’ll lose today so Burnley still need to beat City

How does that help anything?

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11885 on: April 21, 2019, 09:14:00 am »
How does that help anything?

Means no frustrating draw.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11886 on: April 21, 2019, 09:15:46 am »
If we’ve got any sense we’ll lose today so Burnley still need to beat City

We should just throw the towel in now. Dont even bother playing and take the 3-0 hit to save ourselves for the Champions League. It's all over anyway so what's the point?
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11887 on: April 21, 2019, 09:17:08 am »
We should just throw the towel in now. Dont even bother playing and take the 3-0 hit to save ourselves for the Champions League. It's all over anyway so what's the point?

It’s not the worst idea in the world. Like KH says, why rotate when we can just not turn up?
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11888 on: April 21, 2019, 09:29:16 am »
If we dont do it this year I firmly believe we are doing it next season. This team hasnt even peaked yet


City will have an off season for sure but knowing our luck a team like Arsenal or Spurs will have a perfect storm (like Leicester) and win it.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11889 on: April 21, 2019, 09:32:18 am »

City will have an off season for sure but knowing our luck a team like Arsenal or Spurs will have a perfect storm (like Leicester) and win it.

Leicester clocked up what, 81 points? The reason we didnt compete was that we had become shite again and had to be rebuilt.

Spurs and Arsenal are not clocking 90 points any time soon.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11890 on: April 21, 2019, 09:39:17 am »
Oddly enough, they seem to be thriving on it. At least in the league. In fact it was last season when under no real pressure at all where they dropped points in the latter half of the league. They lost 3-2 to United and I think drew 0-0 with Huddersfield. There may have been more I don't recall. I'm willing to bet that every Premier League winner since '92 has dropped points at one point or another during the run in (March and after). It just so happens to be that during our best ever season in almost every aspect, we're up against a side that may not drop a single point from February onwards. What kind of abysmal luck is that.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11891 on: April 21, 2019, 09:40:36 am »
Leicester clocked up what, 81 points? The reason we didnt compete was that we had become shite again and had to be rebuilt.

Spurs and Arsenal are not clocking 90 points any time soon.

2nd had 77 points I think? We’d be Champions already in a season like that.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11892 on: April 21, 2019, 09:43:10 am »
2nd had 77 points I think? We’d be Champions already in a season like that.

Wouldn’t
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11893 on: April 21, 2019, 09:46:41 am »
If we’ve got any sense we’ll lose today so Burnley still need to beat City

Yeah right, lose today and we lose momentum! Let’s win all our games no matter what the end result is

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11894 on: April 21, 2019, 09:58:39 am »
I am sure we will, but we need to know that it will most likely require a 95-100 point season to win the title as long as Pep is manager at City.

Not having a go, but can we stop referring to that bald fraudulent pseudo intellectual as 'Pep'.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11895 on: April 21, 2019, 10:00:25 am »
If we’ve got any sense we’ll lose today so Burnley still need to beat City

Do you have a hook and net that goes with that comment?
It seems to have been quite successful!

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11896 on: April 21, 2019, 10:01:11 am »
Do you have a hook and net that goes with that comment?
It seems to have been quite successful!

It’s like shooting fish in a barrel at the moment, it’s shameful fishing
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11897 on: April 21, 2019, 10:02:49 am »
Can you imagine what it's going to be like in the ground on the last day if both teams win all their games until then?  We'll need to win again while all listening in to radios to see how Man City are getting on!  There'll be some nervous nellies then (moan stand and upper Anny Road being rich in such species) I can tell yer! 
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11898 on: April 21, 2019, 10:17:56 am »
Wouldn’t

Why not? I’m sure whoever was 2nd after 34 games back then couldn’t have mathematically hit to 85. All hypothetical I know.

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« Reply #11899 on: April 21, 2019, 10:21:23 am »
Why not? I’m sure whoever was 2nd after 34 games back then couldn’t have mathematically hit to 85. All hypothetical I know.

Oh yeah  :-[
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11900 on: April 21, 2019, 10:59:11 am »
I think Guardiola avg’s ~90 points in both this league, and over the course of his career.

Given the current upwards trend of that number, anyone looking at beating city in the league, unless they implode, is looking at AT LEAST 90+ points.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11901 on: April 21, 2019, 11:01:49 am »
Can you imagine what it's going to be like in the ground on the last day if both teams win all their games until then?  We'll need to win again while all listening in to radios to see how Man City are getting on!  There'll be some nervous nellies then (moan stand and upper Anny Road being rich in such species) I can tell yer! 

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11902 on: April 21, 2019, 11:08:45 am »
I think Guardiola avg’s ~90 points in both this league, and over the course of his career.

Given the current upwards trend of that number, anyone looking at beating city in the league, unless they implode, is looking at AT LEAST 90+ points.

Given he only manages the top teams with the most money, anything else would be a massive failure. He gets far too much credit
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11903 on: April 21, 2019, 11:16:07 am »
Given he only manages the top teams with the most money, anything else would be a massive failure. He gets far too much credit
Very true. However is he one of the best at using those resources. Look at the mess at United, Chelsea aren't exactly brassic. Even Rafa struggled with Team's resources.   We may never know how Pep would fare at a 'lesser' club, but if you are the richest club in your league , he's a man you'd want on the shortlist .
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11904 on: April 21, 2019, 11:17:37 am »
Given he only manages the top teams with the most money, anything else would be a massive failure. He gets far too much credit

True, but you still have to go out and get those 90 points. 11 v 11 over 38 games.

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« Reply #11905 on: April 21, 2019, 11:45:08 am »
Very true. However is he one of the best at using those resources. Look at the mess at United, Chelsea aren't exactly brassic. Even Rafa struggled with Team's resources.   We may never know how Pep would fare at a 'lesser' club, but if you are the richest club in your league , he's a man you'd want on the shortlist .
Ps sorry for pep, Mr Guardiola seems too reverential.

Give him the best players, he'll get the results.

Still gets on my tits though. Would prefer Jurgen every day of the week.
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« Reply #11906 on: April 21, 2019, 11:52:07 am »
Give him the best players, he'll get the results.

Still gets on my tits though. Would prefer Jurgen every day of the week.

I wonder how he would fare at a big club that needs rebuilding rather than one that is already dominant e.g. United? I seriously doubt he could have done what Klopp has done for us. Looking forward to today's game no matter what team we put out, another measure of how Klopp has turned us around.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11907 on: April 21, 2019, 12:23:57 pm »
Time travel!


What time travel?  That's how people keep appraised of what's happening elsewhere during the game, well they all do around me anyway. 
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« Reply #11908 on: April 21, 2019, 12:26:04 pm »
I wonder how he would fare at a big club that needs rebuilding rather than one that is already dominant e.g. United? I seriously doubt he could have done what Klopp has done for us. Looking forward to today's game no matter what team we put out, another measure of how Klopp has turned us around.


I dont think he could do what any manager has done at any of the other sides. He's got 1 way of playing and it will only work at a club with the most money and the best players already there.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11909 on: April 21, 2019, 12:27:40 pm »


I dont think he could do what any manager has done at any of the other sides. He's got 1 way of playing and it will only work at a club with the most money and the best players already there.

Agreed. What he did at Bayern was nothing special. Had he won the CL I would feel different but taking the best players from Dortmund [Gotze and Lewandowski] in a league that they already dominate for the most part to begin with, isn't impressive.


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« Reply #11910 on: April 21, 2019, 12:33:11 pm »
He is as plastic as his club. Wears a yellow ribbon and plays the Catalan socialist- works for a country that murders children, has disgraceful human rights and engages in slavery . He is also a drug cheat so fits in well with a club who cheats FFP. Without money he would be noting.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11911 on: April 21, 2019, 12:39:35 pm »
Did you guys notice? We are now well and truly on the edge now. In the last game or a few games from the end, you will notice very strange things (like City winning their title with that Aguero moment and somehow going behind earlier in the game) and this City v Spurs game yesterday was like that, not in terms of goals but in terms of how the players looked like rabbits in headlights. It has begun. Sure, the midweek result had an effect on that... but I think we could expect something strange to happen soon... whether that means City slipping to Leicester/Burnley or us f****ng up against someone we expect to win.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11912 on: April 21, 2019, 12:41:13 pm »
The only positive thing about Guardiola is that he refused to go to Manutd. They can spend similar to City. I would hate the c*nt even more.
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« Reply #11913 on: April 21, 2019, 12:43:20 pm »
Guardiola is a pretty morally bankrupt human being - but trying to minimize him as a coach is a bit small time to me. Like it or not and its based on huge resources but he’s changed British football and the perception of how you need to play to be successful here.
It’s a shame from a curiosity stand point we’ll never see whether he can build a team like Klopp with it league leading resources - he probably can’t very view managers can.
But he’s an innovator, his teams are good to watch and his level has pushed our club to heights of play but also wage bill :) we havent reached before to compete...so I can’t get as riled up about him as Mourinho or similar

City as a club, their financial doping, the way their country is run is detestable but I can’t to the bitter rivalry thing with Guardiola or most of their players - they’re not United or Everton they’re just the team we need to beat to win stuff
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« Reply #11914 on: April 21, 2019, 12:45:12 pm »
You are right in what you're saying. But while I can't disagree with much, there is the other side of that argument. There have been many moments when and advanced MF (quite often Gini) was in a position where he could have taken a shot, but every man and his dog knows that that's not coming. Makes defending against us more predictable. And on the flip side that also supports that the goal danger from midfield is important, see Hendo's contribution in the last few games. Teams don't expect him to burst into the box and he scores or assists. Same with Keita.

I was hoping that by this time Keita would be doing that way earlier, but better late than never. Both Keita and Hendo are making up for that missing midfield threat.

I think the discussion has moved to the topic of predictability rather than source of goals. In that case, I still disagree. Not a lot of top sides in the world are actually unpredictable. You know what you're getting from a Guardiola team. Or a Simeone team. Or this Ajax team. Or Liverpool. Everyone may know what are our threats. It's just that these teams are too good at what they do that predictability becomes a non-factor.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11915 on: April 21, 2019, 12:50:27 pm »
He is as plastic as his club. Wears a yellow ribbon and plays the Catalan socialist- works for a country that murders children, has disgraceful human rights and engages in slavery . He is also a drug cheat so fits in well with a club who cheats FFP. Without money he would be noting.

and engages in slavery

I've seen so many posts like this on this forum for years with nobody batting an eye so that means such politics only pointing fingers at Arabia is allowed on this forum. I, for one, don't want to read such stuff on here. Otherwise since it's allowed than the very country with the English Premier League itself has caused untold suffering across the world and continues to cause working conditions in many countries that is ''slavery'', much of it I've witnessed first hand and continue to witness, and much more you can find in documentaries about the exploitation of desperate people in Asia and Africa. So, let's not be hypocrites. Let's focus on the football.

Reminds me of how John Barnes has correctly pointed out the hypocrites complaining about racism in Eastern and Central Europe, when it's still happening in England.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11916 on: April 21, 2019, 12:50:46 pm »
Guardiola is a pretty morally bankrupt human being - but trying to minimize him as a coach is a bit small time to me. Like it or not and its based on huge resources but he’s changed British football and the perception of how you need to play to be successful here.
It’s a shame from a curiosity stand point we’ll never see whether he can build a team like Klopp with it league leading resources - he probably can’t very view managers can.
But he’s an innovator, his teams are good to watch and his level has pushed our club to heights of play but also wage bill :) we havent reached before to compete...so I can’t get as riled up about him as Mourinho or similar

City as a club, their financial doping, the way their country is run is detestable but I can’t to the bitter rivalry thing with Guardiola or most of their players - they’re not United or Everton they’re just the team we need to beat to win stuff
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Guardiola is nowhere near a 'rival' or rile-up merchant like Ferguson and Mourinho were. Those two were truly despicable personalities despite being great managers.

For me, Guardiola is a better manager than both of them (it's not as if those two didn't have the most resources during their times, they did - doesn't stop people from crediting them), and it will eventually show in his CV. I just hope for the sake of us, his tenure doesn't last at City/PL and he goes elsewhere.

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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11917 on: April 21, 2019, 01:10:46 pm »
I've seen so many posts like this on this forum for years with nobody batting an eye so that means such politics only pointing fingers at Arabia is allowed on this forum. I, for one, don't want to read such stuff on here. Otherwise since it's allowed than the very country with the English Premier League itself has caused untold suffering across the world and continues to cause working conditions in many countries that is ''slavery'', much of it I've witnessed first hand and continue to witness, and much more you can find in documentaries about the exploitation of desperate people in Asia and Africa. So, let's not be hypocrites. Let's focus on the football.

Reminds me of how John Barnes has correctly pointed out the hypocrites complaining about racism in Eastern and Central Europe, when it's still happening in England.

Best post in this thread. I'm sick of the finger pointing at Guardiola, the whataboutery and the hypocrisy of it all. John Barnes is absolutely right. Half the people that cry about the slavery the UAE gladly fly Emirates and visit the UAE (mainly Dubai) for holidays etc. Are they all responsible for slavery then? I'm genuinely sick of people using serious issues like slavery to point fingers at a football manager. By all means, criticise the owners of the club to your heart's content but the employees of the club have little to do with the labour practices of their owners in a different country.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11918 on: April 21, 2019, 01:15:38 pm »
11 millimetres marginal enough for you!

That game is looking pivotal and we were pretty damn unlucky to lose it.


I thought it was 4mm.
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Re: Chasing the Title
« Reply #11919 on: April 21, 2019, 01:20:19 pm »
Agreed. What he did at Bayern was nothing special. Had he won the CL I would feel different but taking the best players from Dortmund [Gotze and Lewandowski] in a league that they already dominate for the most part to begin with, isn't impressive.

Bayern - agreed to an extent, but only to an extent as in CL (although he got to 90 points & 88 points in 34 game leagues - any other Bayern managers who have done that?)

People just look at things from outside & form narratives, how many knew he broke these Bundesliga records in his first season there?

Number of matches remaining when title was won: 7
Earliest date to clinch Bundesliga title: 25 March
Most points in a season opening half: 47
Most wins in a season: 29
Most consecutive wins in a season: 19 (previous 'record' was 14, see the difference)

etc.

There are definite parallels to what he is doing now in the Premier League, the records that are getting broken, the points that his sides are able to achieve. To call it nothing special is being plain ignorant of what he achieved.

People look at CL, & it is his comparably his weakness, but managers like Mourinho and Ferguson have the same number of Champions League trophies as he does after 'n' number of attempts, yet the expectation on Guardiola is to win the CL every season & is considered a failure even when he reaches Semi (which he did for Bayern), it's plain outrageous. Mourinho & Ferguson were 'geniuses', yet Guardiola is 'fraud'. The double standards when talking about these 3 managers in media/general perception is extremely heavy imo.

I'm just not comfortable with people doing Everton level gymnastics to convince themselves that he's just not a damn good manager. Many managers have had financial advantage before, none of them managed to break records like he did in 3 different leagues.

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