Topic: COVID-19:VERIFIED news sources, 0 politishit, 0 CONSPIRACY SHITE

[west_london_red]

It depends on how willing or unwilling you are to read between the lines. 

The govt's initial response was to aim for herd immunity. They flip flopped around and seemingly reluctantly enforced a soft lockdown, ending it with unseemly haste as R still hovered around 0.7
What they are doing and saying now broadly echoes the original stance. This is why people think the tacit policy is herd immunity.

In other news, does anyone have the mortality rate for covid-19? I've seen 1.5% suggested. Herd immunity occurs when around 70% of the population have the disease. This equals about 46million. Times by 1.5% equals over half a million dead. That's a very grim picture and suggests this thing is very very far from over.

Yes there was certainly an initial hope/belief in herd immunity, not doubting that. I think where there is some confusion is that whether the government is still seeking herd immunity or worried about the economic impact of lockdown, because the course of action is the same ie opening the economy up.

The other thing is that if the government is still seeking herd immunity, the people who are going to die in the greatest number are it’s strongest supporting group, the over 70’s and that makes no political sense either.

[Elmo!]

Here's the clear results of the Tories early lockdown release/Cummings rule breaking:



I'm not surprise Wales sits in between but closer to England given its less independent media (so seeing more of Boris etc rather than Drakeford) and less devolved powers compared to Scotland and NI.

[12C]

So, according to Panorama (if we didn't know already) the test and trace system the govt have brought in using private companies has been a fuck up. But, even if we already knew that, some of the figures are shocking. Latest figures show around 113,000 tracked and traced - but, only around 15,000 of those were traced by the 25k army of workers employed by the companies the govt commissioned. The rest, almost 100,000 were traced.........by just 870 staff from the public health labs nationally 

The private troughs will be full though. Like disability testing, they will get their wedge whether it works or not
Bastards

[12C]

Rutland ..... not Leicestershire

You’ve miscountied me!

Does that make you a Ruttle

[UntouchableLuis]

Concerning that they are closing schools in Leicester but are saying schools are safe and fining parents if their child doesn't go in from September. I think it's one massive lie to be honest. I think schools are just about safe with strict measures in place and limited capacity but a school at full capacity in September will not be safe and the Government will pretend it is.

[12C]

Concerning that they are closing schools in Leicester but are saying schools are safe and fining parents if their child doesn't go in from September. I think it's one massive lie to be honest. I think schools are just about safe with strict measures in place and limited capacity but a school at full capacity in September will not be safe and the Government will pretend it is.

That scrote Williamson leaking his plans all over the media.
Schools will “concentrate” on Maths and English, which means they will use the teachers of other subjects to deliver a very basic curriculum.
This is the way they will create their bubbles with a teacher delivering “all” (both) subjects.. They aren’t arsed about education, they merely want kids in school in a way that people will think is safe, so the parents can get back to work

The Milton Keynes nursery outbreak shows they don’t give a damn about staff wellbeing
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-outbreak-nursery-20-children-22253165

[UntouchableLuis]

That scrote Williamson leaking his plans all over the media.
Schools will “concentrate” on Maths and English, which means they will use the teachers of other subjects to deliver a very basic curriculum.
This is the way they will create their bubbles with a teacher delivering “all” (both) subjects.. They aren’t arsed about education, they merely want kids in school in a way that people will think is safe, so the parents can get back to work

The Milton Keynes nursery outbreak shows they don’t give a damn about staff wellbeing
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-outbreak-nursery-20-children-22253165

It's complete madness if the 'leaked' plans are actually real. I could see Unions having a mass strike to be honest they are that unworkable and unrealistic.

[12C]

The madness of year group bubbles is that if a family have two children at a school, they will like as not be in different bubbles, yet will be mixing at home.
 I really feel sorry for those kids who get the non specialist teaching them maths in their bubble. It will surely set their education back and disadvantage them as opposed to the group who get the specialist. To have a specialist in every year group will require minimum 7 maths teachers and 7 English teachers. So even with a specialist in your year bubble they will not be taking every lesson.

[CraigDS]

My missus is an English teacher, and I consider myself pretty well educated, but I couldn’t teach what she teaches. It’s way beyond my level of knowledge so I can’t see how an art teacher, or even someone who teaches a proper subject ( ) could do a job that actually benefits the kid.

[Bincey]

Some good news - pretty big study showing robust memory T cell response including in both mild and asymptotic individuals. Also detectable in patients that tested as negative for circulating antibodies. Authors suggest they can detect this memory T cell response in twice as many individuals as test positive for circulating antibodies. While that’s also great I'd caution it seems a little high and could be that their antibody testing isn’t as sensitive as some others. But for sure they are detecting T cell immunity in patients that don’t test positive for antibodies.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.29.174888v1

Cheers DJ. If this is the case, you wonder if scientists could start looking for the T cell response in the public at large. Obviously, I have no idea how feasible it would be to look for a T cell response at scale.

[So… Howard Philips]

47000 4 days ago.  Today?  Just over 31500....

Weekend blip? Maybe, but that’s a bit weird.
Call me suspicious

25% difference over the weekend in. America, about the same here.

Mind you I can see why you are suspicious.

[12C]

My missus is an English teacher, and I consider myself pretty well educated, but I couldn’t teach what she teaches. It’s way beyond my level of knowledge so I can’t see how an art teacher, or even someone who teaches a proper subject ( ) could do a job that actually benefits the kid.

I remember one of my teachers saying to me they were teaching us A level content, that was part of his degree 5 years previously. Having seen the stuff my own kids covered at GCSE and A Level, that process has continued. Those scruffy old twerps in the campaign for real education who say kids have it easier today, are bullshitters. Kids today have far more to learn and it’s far more in depth, and teachers have a much harder job than ever delivering it.

[SamAteTheRedAcid]

My missus is an English teacher, and I consider myself pretty well educated, but I couldn’t teach what she teaches. It’s way beyond my level of knowledge so I can’t see how an art teacher, or even someone who teaches a proper subject ( ) could do a job that actually benefits the kid.

They don't care if the lessons delivered are any good - especially Art! Art in schools has been criminally underfunded for years, and the Government hasn't bailed out the arts at all during the pandemic, despite it being a brilliant earner for the country.

All about getting everyone back to work.

[killer-heels]

Surely the statement by Hancock over the virus spreading in schools throws the whole situation back up in the air?

[UntouchableLuis]

Surely the statement by Hancock over the virus spreading in schools throws the whole situation back up in the air?

It's  a huge embarrassment. They thought they could just about lie their way to September if the number of infections weren't overly ridiculous in any given city but Leicester have exposed them.

[killer-heels]

The map of the leicester lockdown area has been published

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-map-reveals-which-areas-are-affected-by-uks-first-localised-lockdown-12017905

[So… Howard Philips]

The map of the leicester lockdown area has been published

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-map-reveals-which-areas-are-affected-by-uks-first-localised-lockdown-12017905

So pretty much the Leicester City limits then.

[ShakaHislop]

Coronavirus: Mini confirms cases at factory in Oxford

Nine assembly line workers at the Mini car factory in Oxford have tested positive for coronavirus.

BMW, which owns the plant, said it is "monitoring the situation" and the site remains open following "detailed" talks with Public Health England.

Production at the factory in Cowley was halted in March because of the pandemic but resumed on 18 May.

BMW said it had made a "wide range of practical modifications", which are being monitored daily.

It is understood that eight of the nine staff affected are from one section of the assembly line and were on the same shift. The other worker is also from the assembly line but from another section of it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-53232277

[ShakaHislop]

Leicester City's home clash v Crystal Palace given green light amid local lockdown

Leicester City’s home clash against Crystal Palace will go ahead, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said.

The city and areas of the county have been placed in lockdown for a further two weeks, with non-essential shops to close from today and residents advised to avoid non-essential travel.

However, the reintroduction of measures will not affect City's scheduled fixture against Palace at the King Power Stadium this Saturday, the Health Secretary confirmed to Sky News.

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/leicester-citys-home-clash-v-4276731

[Thepooloflife]

The private troughs will be full though. Like disability testing, they will get their wedge whether it works or not
Bastards

Yep, absolutely.

[Thepooloflife]

The map of the leicester lockdown area has been published

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-map-reveals-which-areas-are-affected-by-uks-first-localised-lockdown-12017905

So, looks like that includes Leicester Forest M1 services...........that's Cummins's toilet break stop up the spout.

[Lee1-6Liv]

25% difference over the weekend in. America, about the same here.

Mind you I can see why you are suspicious.

44,000 new cases in U.S. yesterday so I hope there wasn't a weekend blip.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

The madness of year group bubbles is that if a family have two children at a school, they will like as not be in different bubbles, yet will be mixing at home.
 I really feel sorry for those kids who get the non specialist teaching them maths in their bubble. It will surely set their education back and disadvantage them as opposed to the group who get the specialist. To have a specialist in every year group will require minimum 7 maths teachers and 7 English teachers. So even with a specialist in your year bubble they will not be taking every lesson.

All predicted in the 80s

[12C]

They don't care if the lessons delivered are any good - especially Art! Art in schools has been criminally underfunded for years, and the Government hasn't bailed out the arts at all during the pandemic, despite it being a brilliant earner for the country.

All about getting everyone back to work.

The only reasons The Tories and Liberals wanted schools in the first place was to mind those kids who were unable to work because campaigners had stopped them being sent up chimneys. Child-minding and then it became creating work ready clerks etc.
Still hear the “preparing them for work” line trotted out today.

[Macphisto80]

They don't care if the lessons delivered are any good - especially Art! Art in schools has been criminally underfunded for years, and the Government hasn't bailed out the arts at all during the pandemic, despite it being a brilliant earner for the country.

All about getting everyone back to work.

Art was always going to be the first thing to go under a crisis. I've always long thought that, and I've been proven right down the years through experience. The thing is, though, art is as vital as any of the other subjects. I'd argue it's at least as important as maths.

[RainbowFlick]

Art was always going to be the first thing to go under a crisis. I've always long thought that, and I've been proven right down the years through experience. The thing is, though, art is as vital as any of the other subjects. I'd argue it's at least as important as maths.

Art, music and sports are the type of thing they easily sacrifice sadly. None of these were a priority at my school but when I compare with some of my colleagues who went to grammar/private schools, they all had a shot at and facilities to develop in all of them.

They're also the three areas working class kids and minorities can really excel at and make some serious £ with independently if they're talented and lucky.

[Macphisto80]

Art, music and sports are the type of thing they easily sacrifice sadly. None of these were a priority at my school but when I compare with some of my colleagues who went to grammar/private schools, they all had a shot at and facilities to develop in all of them.

They're also the three areas working class kids and minorities can really excel at and make some serious £ with independently if they're talented and lucky.

Yeah. They're some of the things that make life worth living. If you removed art (all forms of it) from society, then that's one bleak, dark dystopian world to live in.

[filopastry]

The government continues with its wonderful track record of providing bullshit numbers throughout the crisis.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1277960112691273728

In summary all the published local council level testing numbers in England are rubbish as they only include Tier 1 testing (hospital admissions/NHS staff, etc) but exclude tier 2 testing (general public testing through drive through centres etc).

If you look at tier 1 testing Leicester look fine, but not when you include tier 2 tests which are forming a growing percentage of positive tests.

[TSC]

The government continues with its wonderful track record of providing bullshit numbers throughout the crisis.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1277960112691273728

New day same shambles

[ShakaHislop]

More essential activities thankfully allowed to continue in Lockdown Leicester.

Leicester races: Runners withdrawn as meeting goes ahead despite city lockdown

Several runners have been withdrawn by trainers from racing at Leicester after Tuesday's meeting was cleared to go ahead despite new city lockdown rules.

The nine-race evening fixture is taking place after consultation between local health authorities and the British Horseracing Authority (BHA).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/horse-racing/53238101

[So… Howard Philips]

If not already posted link to daily update of tests etc;

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk/

[Wabaloolah]

Damning for Trump this, not that he'll give a shit

Fauci: 'US could easily see 100,000 daily cases'
Dr Anthony Fauci tells the US Senate hearing in Washington that "clearly we are not in total control right now" of the US pandemic.

"We’re going to continue to be in a lot of trouble" if people don't start social distancing and wearing masks, he warns.

Daily cases are currently at around 40,000 per day.

The daily infection rate "could easily go up to 100,000 a day," he continues, saying he "would not be surprised" to see such a high rate of infection.

"It is going to be very disturbing, I will guarantee you that."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-53230389 17:16 update

[El Denzel Pepito]

The government continues with its wonderful track record of providing bullshit numbers throughout the crisis.

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1277960112691273728

In summary all the published local council level testing numbers in England are rubbish as they only include Tier 1 testing (hospital admissions/NHS staff, etc) but exclude tier 2 testing (general public testing through drive through centres etc).

If you look at tier 1 testing Leicester look fine, but not when you include tier 2 tests which are forming a growing percentage of positive tests.

This is so important. Supposedly it's a 'ministerial decision' not to include pillar 2 tests. But why? A test is a test. It's not only disingenuous to pretend there are only X amount of cases, but it's also outright lying when the actual real number of cases could be 80%+ higher. They are only releasing the number of cases from hospital tests, not from the general public. The figures are being collected, but the public/MPs/officials are being denied the chance to see it.

For me, it's simple. They want to get everyone back out to boost the economy. You can't do that if there's a high number of cases as people will stay away. But if you find a way to remove 80% of the cases, the whole picture looks a lot better and people feel the virus isn't really a threat to them anymore.

There's no doubt things are levelling off, but it's slower than what we're being told.

https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a

[Zeb]

Jen Williams has been at that story for a while now for the MEN. Suspicion at local health level, as even now data isn't meant to be made public, is that what's being received from private contractors etc. isn't reliable enough.

[filopastry]

This is so important. Supposedly it's a 'ministerial decision' not to include pillar 2 tests. But why? A test is a test. It's not only disingenuous to pretend there are only X amount of cases, but it's also outright lying when the actual real number of cases could be 80%+ higher. They are only releasing the number of cases from hospital tests, not from the general public. The figures are being collected, but the public/MPs/officials are being denied the chance to see it.

For me, it's simple. They want to get everyone back out to boost the economy. You can't do that if there's a high number of cases as people will stay away. But if you find a way to remove 80% of the cases, the whole picture looks a lot better and people feel the virus isn't really a threat to them anymore.

There's no doubt things are levelling off, but it's slower than what we're being told.

https://www.ft.com/content/301c847c-a317-4950-a75b-8e66933d423a

The bit I wasn't totally clear on was - is this issue just in the numbers reported at local level, and national case numbers include both sets of data?

I wasn't 100% clear on that but had the impression that was the case.

[So… Howard Philips]

The bit I wasn't totally clear on was - is this issue just in the numbers reported at local level, and national case numbers include both sets of data?

I wasn't 100% clear on that but had the impression that was the case.

I posted a link earlier which shows the daily and cumulative confirmed cases. The explanation shows that it includes both pillar 1 and pillar 2 results.

Whether or not this is broken down by local authority area I don't know.

[TSC]

For me, it's simple. They want to get everyone back out to boost the economy. You can't do that if there's a high number of cases as people will stay away. But if you find a way to remove 80% of the cases, the whole picture looks a lot better and people feel the virus isn't really a threat to them anymore.

Other option would be to 'slow down testing' in the words of Trump.

[UntouchableLuis]

Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

[bornandbRED]

Is anyone going to do anything different from Saturday then? Are you going to see family or mates in their house or go pubs or restaurants? I wont be going to a pub or restaurant for a while but planning on going to my parents' house. Just don't know how safe it is still - I can't believe anything this Government say.

I’ll likely wait a few days for the inevitable rush to die down, then I will be happy to use restaurants and bars whilst social distancing.

Can’t hide away in the basement forever.

[Elmo!]

Sturgeon today refused to rule out the possibility of screening people crossing the border from England.

The usual crowd are slightly peeved about it. 

(Love the autocorrect of butt-hurt to slightly peeved - my instinct is to hate the word but in some cases it fits perfectly)