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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6520 on: August 7, 2020, 11:52:26 am »
Same for me. I'm 38 and to be honest whoever is second is nowhere near

I'm 47 and saw Hansen throughout the 80s.
VVD is on a par with him, something I never thought I'd say.  They both have such a presence, and read the game so well.  They are the two in my all time Liverpool XI and right now I can't pick who I'd rank the best of the two.
By the time he finishes up with us VVD is so good I suspect he may be seen as clear best even above Jocky even with those of us who remember quite how good he was

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6521 on: August 7, 2020, 11:53:01 am »
Can we say he’s been more impressive than Nick Pope though...?

And we may think he’s been robbed by not being nominated but spare a thought for United fans. No Fernandes, no Martial, no Rashford, no Greenwood, no Wan Bissaka, no Brandon Williams, no Shaw and no Chong nominated.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6522 on: August 7, 2020, 12:09:39 pm »
Can we say he’s been more impressive than Nick Pope though...?

And we may think he’s been robbed by not being nominated but spare a thought for United fans. No Fernandes, no Martial, no Rashford, no Greenwood, no Wan Bissaka, no Brandon Williams, no Shaw and no Chong nominated.

Can't believe it's not just been handed straight to "Bruno" without the need for a vote to be honest.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6523 on: August 7, 2020, 01:31:12 pm »
Can't believe it's not just been handed straight to "Bruno" without the need for a vote to be honest.
Bruno Penalty Fernandes is far greater player than Virgil Van Dijk though.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6524 on: August 7, 2020, 01:35:04 pm »
I think they are going to separate competition for 'Premier League Player of the Year Since Fernandes Signed For United'

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6525 on: August 8, 2020, 06:37:17 am »
2 consecutive seasons of playing every minute of every league game.

We coped when all of our other stars were out at certain points of this season but we never had to see how we would cope without VVD because he was never out.

He actually makes defending look fun. What can you say about this guy that hasn't been said?

He came off at HT against Southampton early last season with a sore rib when we were 3-0 up, so missed 45 mins over two seasons while accumulating 196 points.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6526 on: August 8, 2020, 08:38:42 am »
Continued performances of last few seasons

—> best CB in prem league history

—> in conversation for best CB of all time

I’ve simply never seen someone as good. Who has ever been better?
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6527 on: August 8, 2020, 01:46:26 pm »
Continued performances of last few seasons

—> best CB in prem league history

—> in conversation for best CB of all time

I’ve simply never seen someone as good. Who has ever been better?

Der Kaiser. Baresi.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6528 on: August 8, 2020, 02:47:34 pm »
Der Kaiser. Baresi.

Virgil’s a better central defender than both.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6529 on: August 8, 2020, 02:49:44 pm »
Virgil’s a better central defender than both.

Continued performances of last few seasons

—> best CB in prem league history

—> in conversation for best CB of all time

I’ve simply never seen someone as good. Who has ever been better?

Love the big man but don't make that big of a leap.  He will have to do this for a few more years and we'll have to win a few more trophies.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6530 on: August 8, 2020, 02:51:40 pm »
He came off at HT against Southampton early last season with a sore rib when we were 3-0 up, so missed 45 mins over two seasons while accumulating 196 points.

Oh yes, that is right. Should know better than to regurgitate Sky facts

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6531 on: August 8, 2020, 03:03:33 pm »
Virgil’s a better central defender than both.

He's not.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6532 on: August 8, 2020, 06:31:17 pm »
Love the big man but don't make that big of a leap.  He will have to do this for a few more years and we'll have to win a few more trophies.

Yup, he will have to continue it for a few more seasons. Personally I don’t judge how good a layer is by how many trophies he’s one. For example if messi had only won one league and one champs league he’d still be the best ever, because his performances show his quality. But yes to period those performances were sustained
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6533 on: August 8, 2020, 06:39:27 pm »
He's not.

What makes you say that?

For me most the time I hear people say that it’s just nostalgia and sentimentality. You could have God playing in front of them and they’d still say he’s not the best ever, because no one can top the players of the past.

For me it’s not even that close. And it makes sense, because with time you’d expect players to improve. Specifically Beckenbauer and Baresi though, for me almost midfielders, with the goals they scored, talent with the ball etc.

But as an all-round central defender, his physicality, pace, reading of the game, tackling, timing, calming, play at feet, the list just goes on. He does things on the field I’ve never seen a defender do. And not spectacular like a Ramos, but he makes the simple things look incredibly easy, as if they were always meant to be, like a Beethoven symphony. Watch him make a tackle and it’s a piece of art. That highlight reel of him from this season alone, find one of another player doing things even close. I don’t think you will.

But yes, he does need to sustain it further to cement it.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6534 on: August 8, 2020, 07:08:35 pm »
He's not.

Having seen all three play I think VVD is best. Bekenbauer was a fantastic libro and sweeper whilst Baresi was a master at reading the game and positioning himself. Neither Baresi nor Bekenbauer were doninate in the air although both were strong guys, particularly Baresi. VVD has it all as a defender, but arguments could easliy be made for any of the three to be regarded as the best. Having said that for VVD to be in such company shows just how good he is.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6535 on: August 8, 2020, 07:42:15 pm »
Baresi and Beckenbauer would get absolutely rinsed in the modern game, so it’s a difficult comparison to make.

From 2000 onward, I’d put VVD ahead of Nesta, Cannavaro, Ferdinand, Terry. Easily the best I’ve seen.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6536 on: August 8, 2020, 08:46:03 pm »
Watches football avidly since 1987. VVD is THE best centre back I’ve ever seen bar none. No bias whatsoever. Nothing he doesn’t do vastly better than every centre half I’ve ever seen. Nothing
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6537 on: August 8, 2020, 08:49:20 pm »
He's not.
That’s definitely up for debate, and I’m old enough to of watched those two play.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6538 on: August 8, 2020, 09:32:14 pm »
That’s definitely up for debate, and I’m old enough to of watched those two play.

As the sport evolves, the best players of any era will always be better overall players than those in previous eras. Think it's more of a question of is Baresi's influence on football in the 80s greater than VVDs in the present. While I haven't seen the older ones play, I would at the very least definitely put VVD in the same bracket as the greats of the 00s. The fact I watch him play weekly and only watched the likes of Nesta on occasion makes me very biased, though.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6539 on: August 8, 2020, 10:06:39 pm »
Better than Koulibaly by far if tonight is anything to go by.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6540 on: August 8, 2020, 10:23:10 pm »
Better than Koulibaly by far if tonight is anything to go by.

When was this ever in question?

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6541 on: August 8, 2020, 10:51:45 pm »
Baresi and Beckenbauer would get absolutely rinsed in the modern game

Baresi and Beckenbauer would be absolutely immense in the modern game. You're talking about 2 players who were way way ahead of everyone else in their brain never mind across the ground. Baresi in particular was just incredible, there isn't a striker in the modern game who would get the better of him. Just like the big man now I night add

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6542 on: August 8, 2020, 11:35:14 pm »
Baresi and Beckenbauer would be absolutely immense in the modern game. You're talking about 2 players who were way way ahead of everyone else in their brain never mind across the ground. Baresi in particular was just incredible, there isn't a striker in the modern game who would get the better of him. Just like the big man now I night add

Agree. If the likes of Beckenbauer and Baresi were trained in the same way as modern players they would be simply brilliant. Just transplanting a guy from the 70s or 80s into today's game and saying they would be 'rinsed' is ridiculous. Maradonna and Pele surrouded by modern methods would be gob smackingly good.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6543 on: August 9, 2020, 12:39:42 am »
Baresi and Beckenbauer would be absolutely immense in the modern game. You're talking about 2 players who were way way ahead of everyone else in their brain never mind across the ground. Baresi in particular was just incredible, there isn't a striker in the modern game who would get the better of him. Just like the big man now I night add

The gap in physicality is so big that there’s no guarantee either could reach today’s standards. Particularly Beckenbauer, who played 50 years ago. Not doubting that either were amongst the best players of their generation - just find it hard to make a direct comparison when the game and the conditioning of players has evolved so much.

You can definitely say either of those two had a greater impact upon their generations than VVD, but I’d take him over either all day and twice on Sundays if I was building a team for 2020.


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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6544 on: August 9, 2020, 03:41:22 am »
He came off at HT against Southampton early last season with a sore rib when we were 3-0 up, so missed 45 mins over two seasons while accumulating 196 points.

He's started the last 85 PL games for us. That's a record for an outfield player for LFC.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6545 on: August 9, 2020, 04:04:35 am »
Van Dijk has played at a world class for almost 3 years now. Compare that to Beckenbaur and Baresi. The Kaiser in particular, who was hardly ever injured, played for years at an extremely high level. Was absolutely instrumental for Bayern's success and Germany's success. The man won the Balon Do'r twice ffs, as a defender. His ability on the ball for a center-half is unprecedented. He had an extreme impact on the game.

There's some recency bias on here. and that's ok, but Van Dijk has to continue to play at this level [which is possible] and help win more  things [which is possible].


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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6546 on: August 9, 2020, 04:10:18 am »
Yup, he will have to continue it for a few more seasons. Personally I don’t judge how good a layer is by how many trophies he’s one. For example if messi had only won one league and one champs league he’d still be the best ever, because his performances show his quality. But yes to period those performances were sustained

Longevity in football [or any sport] is extremely important, particularly when you're comparing players. That's what makes messi and ronaldo remarkable as they've been able to play at an unprecedented high level for a decade.

And my view on this has nothing to do with nostalgia. Beckenbaur changed the way football is played when it comes to defenders. His impact on the sport is significant, his impact on Germany's success and Bayern's, supersedes anything that Van Dijk has done thus far.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6547 on: August 9, 2020, 05:32:16 am »
how long more must he be playing at the top level to be considered the best? and maybe when he has done so the finish line will change again as he wont be the best till he has won x and x no of trophies or something.

Honestly in my 30years of supporting liverpool, he is the best defender i have seen so far. I have never seen the likes of hansen and the lads though.

He has got it all. Composure, intelligence,pace and strength. Pretty sure if his injury record for next year is the same as this, we will be retaining the EPL. Nothing gets past him and alisson.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6548 on: August 9, 2020, 07:06:41 am »
The gap in physicality is so big that there’s no guarantee either could reach today’s standards. Particularly Beckenbauer, who played 50 years ago. Not doubting that either were amongst the best players of their generation - just find it hard to make a direct comparison when the game and the conditioning of players has evolved so much.

You can definitely say either of those two had a greater impact upon their generations than VVD, but I’d take him over either all day and twice on Sundays if I was building a team for 2020.

Yeh but we're talking about them playing today and if they were in today's game then they would be doing all the latest fitness training, techniques, diets, coaching, tactics, open to all the latest sporting technologies etc and therefore would be up to speed with the current players so they would still be amazingly great players - and with that there's the argument that they could be even greater than what they were!


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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6549 on: August 9, 2020, 02:17:08 pm »
Everyone though Rafael Varane was the bees knees and then VVD came along and suddenly everyone is no longer talking.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6550 on: August 9, 2020, 07:04:11 pm »
Baresi was (and is) 5 foot nine, according to the interweb.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6551 on: August 10, 2020, 06:46:58 pm »
Certainly the best right now, I think there is an argument for and against the best ever. He hasn't regularly dealt with drogbas and Shearers so the one on one duel hasn't been tested as regularly asin the past. However the high line we hold is another challenge but equally difficult, therefore I reckon he is the greatest of the current generation but impossible to compare him to the likes of barris due to the different challenges both have faced

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6552 on: August 19, 2020, 08:17:20 am »
Just read that Michael Ngoo, then playing for Kilmarnock, credits Raheem Sterling with keeping his spirits up after he nearly had his career ended by a horror tackle by a bastard of a Celtic CB. Ngoo reckoned the CB deliberately went through the back of him.
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6553 on: August 19, 2020, 08:20:09 am »
Just read that Michael Ngoo, then playing for Kilmarnock, credits Raheem Sterling with keeping his spirits up after he nearly had his career ended by a horror tackle by a bastard of a Celtic CB. Ngoo reckoned the CB deliberately went through the back of him.

Celtic CB you say?!? Didnt a certain world's best defender play for Celtic once upon a time?!?

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6554 on: August 19, 2020, 05:05:01 pm »
Celtic CB you say?!? Didnt a certain world's best defender play for Celtic once upon a time?!?
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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6555 on: August 19, 2020, 05:13:51 pm »
I don't remember Baresi playing there...

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6556 on: September 13, 2020, 03:08:00 am »
Haha e didn’t take the bollocking from Ali well.

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« Reply #6557 on: September 13, 2020, 03:33:38 am »
Haha e didn’t take the bollocking from Ali well.

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Re: Virgil Van Dijk PFA Player of the Year, UEFA Player of the Year
« Reply #6559 on: September 13, 2020, 09:42:44 pm »
When is he going to come back from holiday?
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