Topic: Seat Belts

[Djibriliant]

you know when you say you are not harming anyone else by choosing not to wear one, well that may be true physically but hypothetically speaking if something did happen to then you would leave your children fatherless

[DaveLFC]

you know when you say you are not harming anyone else by choosing not to wear one, well that may be true physically but hypothetically speaking if something did happen to then you would leave your children fatherless

If a father chooses to recklessly endanger himself by refusing to wear a seat belt can it really be harming his children if he then flies to his death through his windscreen? Surely the harm was already done in conception.

[uneverwalkalone]

Watch it mate, the PC Drivers Brigade might grass you up, get you banned and enjoy getting you a year in jail.......

[BIGdavalad]

you know when you say you are not harming anyone else by choosing not to wear one, well that may be true physically

Unless you flying around the interior of the car seriously injures someone else, which apparently happens regularly.

[Rob Jones Maybe?]

Oh yes I almost forgot about that motor bike crash he had at 341MPH. silly me.

He was wearing a helmet. Which saved his life. While travelling at a speed of over 250mph.

You think a helmet does nothing? A direct impact to the skull is a definite difference between injury and death.

[Rob Jones Maybe?]

Watch it mate, the PC Drivers Brigade might grass you up, get you banned and enjoy getting you a year in jail.......

The 'PC Drivers Brigade'? Because they want you to wear a seatbelt?

Jesus christ, one good reason not to wear it. Not heard one so far. There shouldn't even be a question about it.

[BIGdavalad]

The 'PC Drivers Brigade'? Because they want you to wear a seatbelt?

Jesus christ, one good reason not to wear it. Not heard one so far. There shouldn't even be a question about it.

You must have missed the thread were the three times banned drink driver got caught driving again and got a year in nick. You'd think the lad who reported him had broken into some people's houses on Christmas Day and pissed on their kids from the whinging he got about the ever important reasons why you shouldn't "grass"

[DaveLFC]

He was wearing a helmet. Which saved his life. While travelling at a speed of over 250mph.

You think a helmet does nothing? A direct impact to the skull is a definite difference between injury and death.

I'm all for people wearing helmets, I'm questioning why people would not wear seat belts, I was joking about what motor bike riders are protecting, in saying that they ride like they have no brain so what are they going to damage?

I thought it might be funny and it probably was UNTIL I HAD TO EXPLAIN IT.

[Garstonite]

Ill condoms to the uncool list


Cool Stuff

Drugs
Cigarettes
Alcohol

Uncool Stuff

Seat Belts
Condoms - They are actually for wimps

Anyone else care to add to the above

Helmets are uncool.

[Kaizer]

It is your choice, its also your choice to pay the consequences either trough a fine or by getting injured if your car crash.

A mate of mine was in a real ugly car crash some years back, neither him or the other person in the car had their seat belts on and this is why they survived since they were thrown out of the car, so its a bit of a two edged sword this one, since you will never know whats best or you.

Personally I don't wear them most of the time, I feel a bit claustrophobic when I do, but if I`m going to drive a couple of hours I use them for my own security, you never know what kind of pricks are out there driving.

Maybe this sounds strange, but this is how I do it, I have got a fine once because of it, it was around 50£.

[FTW]

Me uncle drove his car off  the side of a road in France, into a river and by chance didn't have his seatbelt on..he maintains that had he been wearing it, he'd have been drowned.

He hasn't worn one since..He's been stopped for it a few times as well..I don't think anything would make him wear his now.

Personally, it feels strange being in a car without a seatbelt on.

[DaveLFC]

I passed my driving test the day it became law to wear a seatbelt in the front of a car, 31st January 1983

[xavidub]

By the time you are old enough to drive you have been expensively educated and vaccinated and provided for by the State. If you kill yourself by going through a windscreen you will not have repaid your debt in taxes. So wear the bloody thing.

[lainey]

NO

my friend got hit by a back seat passenger and got her shoulder dislocated because they weren't wearing one

and she got covered in their blood when they knocked a tooth out and broke their nose

[sameold]

My  bosses sister was in a crash, and was trapped in the car due to the seatbelt.

Really find that hard to believe. Nothing to do with a mangled wreakage that was once a car. I have attended countless RTC's as a firefighter and not once have I seen anyone trapped due to their seatbelt. It takes less that a second to cut a seatbelt by what is strangely called a 'seatbelt cutter'. However I have seen on numerous occassions the complete half-wits that dont wear seltbelts and they are the ones that dont walk away.

[Welshred]

Really find that hard to believe. Nothing to do with a mangled wreakage that was once a car. I have attended countless RTC's as a firefighter and not once have I seen anyone trapped due to their seatbelt. It takes less that a second to cut a seatbelt by what is strangely called a 'seatbelt cutter'. However I have seen on numerous occassions the complete half-wits that dont wear seltbelts and they are the ones that dont walk away.

Aren't they called scissors by your avergae joe?

[sameold]

Aren't they called scissors by your avergae joe?

No. Would you believe it's against health and safety for us to carry scissors. It's more like a safety blade.

[Welshred]

No. Would you believe it's against health and safety for us to carry scissors. It's more like a safety blade.

God forbid the people who's primary job is to put out fires should be allowed to carry a pair of scissors

[sameold]

God forbid the people who's primary job is to put out fires should be allowed to carry a pair of scissors

Too right. Someone may get hurt!

[grifter]

Never used to bother but the car I,ve had for a few years sounds an alarm if your not belted up.

Second nature now.

[anon-y-mouse]

Hope you are registered for organ donation, as I am sure if you don't want to live there are plenty of people out there who could use your body parts.

What does that mean. I was told by doctors that had I been wearing a seatbelt in an accident I'd have crushed all my internal organs and probably wouldn't have survived. I'm of the opinion that if you're in the front it should be personal choice, if your in the back then you should put one on as not wearing one endangers the person in front of you. As an aside my Dad was recently pulled for not wearing his and the bizzie basically said to him you're old enough and ugly enough to make your own mind up.

[Helly]

What does that mean. I was told by doctors that had I been wearing a seatbelt in an accident I'd have crushed all my internal organs and probably wouldn't have survived. I'm of the opinion that if you're in the front it should be personal choice, if your in the back then you should put one on as not wearing one endangers the person in front of you. As an aside my Dad was recently pulled for not wearing his and the bizzie basically said to him you're old enough and ugly enough to make your own mind up.

One example amongst the thousands of lives saved.  Oh and for the record Alloy is a fantastic bloke, kind caring loves his kids and well, cant put it any more simply, he is a really great person so try not to make assumptions about him you lot!  Though Mike, they are right

[anon-y-mouse]

Seatbelts cause whiplash. From a front seated persons perspective and in this day and age where almost all cars have airbags I seriously can only see the main benefit of them being if the car went into a roll and it prevented you from being thrown around the inside. This was basically what the doctors told me. In low speed collisions they will be of some use but higher speeds and they can do more harm than good.

[Helly]

Seatbelts cause whiplash.

Not whiplash?  Oh hell Im never wearing a seatbelt again then, would rather have small pieces of me plastered about the road than whiplash! 

[anon-y-mouse]

Not whiplash?  Oh hell Im never wearing a seatbelt again then, would rather have small pieces of me plastered about the road than whiplash! 

Does your car have an airbag? If so the chances of you ending up in small pieces in the middle of the road are between miniscule and non existent unless your car goes into a barrel roll in which circumstance I've already said that seatbelts are beneficial.

Anyways we're getting away from the point of the thread. Mike said 'should it be personal choice as opposed to law?' I say yes unless your a backseated passenger.

[blurred]

Seatbelts cause whiplash.

There was me thinking it was the spine-juddering collisions that caused whiplash...

[iancr7]

young girl the other week was fined £30, refused to buckle up afterwards and was thrown out of the car and was killed. it's there for a reason.

I saw that on the news. Anyone who is caught not wearing a seatbelt should be banned from driving for life IMO. They are there for a reason and that reason is to save your life. You may be/think you are the safest driver on the road but theres always other people driving vehicles who aren't and you could be involved in an accident through no fault of your own

[anon-y-mouse]

I saw that on the news. Anyone who is caught not wearing a seatbelt should be banned from driving for life IMO. They are there for a reason and that reason is to save your life. You may be/think you are the safest driver on the road but theres always other people driving vehicles who aren't and you could be involved in an accident through no fault of your own

Did you read my post?

[iancr7]

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I was involved in a car accident as a passenger a few years ago on Romney marsh in Kent/East Sussex where the car skidded on oil on the road and ended up in an irrigation channel upside down. I was in the back wearing a seat belt, the girl in front of me was not.  I am here to tell the tale, she has 24 hour specialist care, is confined to a wheelchair and is unable to talk. Yes I had several broken ribs from the seat belt constricting round me due to the force of the crash (along with a broken left arm and leg) but which position do you think I  prefer to be in now ?

[anon-y-mouse]

Fair comment, but that was her decision to make as the only person she was putting in danger was herself. To suggest anyone who doesn't wear one should be banned from driving for life is absurd.

[Terry de Niro]

Watch it mate, the PC Drivers Brigade might grass you up, get you banned and enjoy getting you a year in jail.......

You forgot the hang them bit. 

[iancr7]

Fair comment, but that was her decision to make as the only person she was putting in danger was herself. To suggest anyone who doesn't wear one should be banned from driving for life is absurd.

Why is it absurd ? They are statistically proven to save lives in the vast majority of accidents which is why as road speeds increased it was made law to wear them. Like I said earlier, you may be the safest driver on the road but others aren't so whats the point of losing your life for a moment of irresponsibility ?

[Ben S]

Does your car have an airbag?

Seatbelts are designed to work with the airbag, without the seatbelt holding you in position the airbag can do more damage than the windscreen would.

Was your quack an expert on car crashes or was it merely his own opinion. Did he pop outside for a quick smoke after telling you what he told you?

[Rusty Oysterburger]

Is it the law for cyclists to wear helmets? im not sure

[jackh]

I know the law regarding the wearing of seat belts, and I never go anywhere without my children wearing theirs.

When I'm on my own though I never bother,  I reckon that's my choice, I'm harming no one else by my actions.

and if Dad has a car accident, it's harming no one else?

wearing a seatbelt is safe.

not wearing one is a serious risk that it takes just one second to avoid.  why would you not?

this particular law is there to save lives and it has done over and over and over again.

[evie]

One of my friends never uses the seat belt when she's driving somewhere (I've seen it myself and heard it from other friends) and it pisses me off, especially since she scares me sometimes with the way she drives, but what can I do? Not much. The problem is I think...she doesn't think she will ever be in a car crash. I for one really hope she won't be of course but sometimes it's not about how we drive. There are nut cases out there who drink drives for example and then we can't do anything about it. I wish she would think about her fiancée and her friends and family who would suffer greatly if anything happened to her.
It's stupidity not to wear a seat belt.

 

[jackh]

One of my friends never uses the seat belt when she's driving somewhere (I've seen it myself and heard it from other friends) and it pisses me off, especially since she scares me sometimes with the way she drives, but what can I do? Not much. The problem is I think...she doesn't think she will ever be in a car crash. I for one really hope she won't be of course but sometimes it's not about how we drive. There are nut cases out there who drink drives for example and then we can't do anything about it. I wish she would think about her fiancée and her friends and family who would suffer greatly if anything happened to her.
It's stupidity not to wear a seat belt.

Spot on - when i was living back at home, we lived in a quiet village in mid wales, and my brother used to get the school bus from about 1km away from the house, so me and me dad would drop him off, and then go on to the other school (which we attended/worked at).  It used to do my head in that for the 1km to the bus stop, neither of them wore their seatbelts, and then Dad would put it on when we set off after my brother had left.

I totally appreciate that distance/time makes it appear worthless, and that you aways think 'i'm a good enough driver, nothing will go wrong', but it's not problems caused by yourself that will be your downfall, it's the consequences you give a helping hand to by not wearing a seatbelt.

I'm just about to turn nineteen, and since moving to liverpool i barely travel in cars, and just use buses.  But thinking back to my time in sixth form, the problem of people, particularly lads, shrugging of the value of seatbelts is a big one - and it's always waiting o punish someone.

Thinking now actually, the amount of taxi's i've been say in with 4 other mates, and been the only one wearing my seatbel - it's absurd.  Totally mindless stupidity in my opinion.

God knows why it's not compulsary in all public transport.  They spend all this time promoting drink driving, why are we not tackling seatbelts and mobile phone use?

[laddo]

Intriguing debate but ill stick to wearing a seat belt thanks though to the few muppets who think theyre not needed advise.

[Tarpaulin]

Alloy,

Would you want to be the Police Officer/Paramedic/Fireman who is mopping you up off the floor when you've shot through a windscreen, had the majority of skin ripped off your back and head from going through it, and then proceeded to skid along the gravel surface, cheese grating the entire front part of your body? Should any person [regardless of whether you say "Oh, well thats there job" deserve to turn up to a scene like that?

Especially when it can be avoided by taking barely 1 second to pull a material strap across your body?

As for the Police being arsey with you.....theres no doubt there are some beauts who are bizzies, but on the other hand do you think maybe your views on this law of seat belts meant that your attitidue was bad, couped with the fact you had come off a night shift, maybe you played a part in this too?

Bascially, this arguement annoys the fuck out of me as its so easily avoidable and easy to do, and it COULD save your life.

For those who have been in a crash at any speed will verify, the seatbelt plays its part....maybe you just need to be the 1st person driving past one of these scenes to understand the horrors of it and make you realise. Or maybe have a mate in the car and see them shoot through the window, and then have to face their family to explain what you saw.

Bottom line, it is the law - if you wanna make it for money reasons then fair do's.....but it is the law, and so if you CHOOSE not to do it, then you run the risk of being caught and occasionally fined as bizzies use discretion.

Oh, and from March [i think] its going to mean points on your licence too.

Why? Cos the only way people seem to pay any attention to the law is if it costs them money - either directly by fine [which it obviously doesnt deter people enough as your not arsed - or by putting points on a licence and seein insurance rise]

Why am I so anti your views? Cos I think society is going to shit as it is, far too namby pamby on shit these days.

Rant over. 

[only6times]

Seatbelts cause whiplash.

no win, no fee solicitors cause whiplash.