Topic: Spurs 4 v Liverpool 1 (Kane 3' Son 12' Salah 24' Ali 45+2’ Kane 55')

[Trendisnotdestiny]

Time to seriously change things up Jurgen.  Enough of the passionless passengers too.

Well, a goal in the last minute of the half will kill a team trying to come from behind every time.

If we make into the half ---- just like with Man City after Mane just down one, then we can still play and make something happen.

Unfortunately, we cannot mark, give away too many restarts for our defending, and we get punished.  This speaks to a lack of resiliency too.

Can Lovren Coutinho --- have things going on affecting their performances  (Coutinho mostly defensively after losing the ball) and the others have a HE-MAN overcompensate for being stupid or slow mentality.

As far as Mignolet & (the Milner-Henderson partnership) --- Not nearly good enough

 

[Bend It Like Aurelio]

I think he was playing the Wjnaldum away role today, totally invisible. Not a top player nor a leader, although he seems a nice bloke.

Yes, totally invisible. Let's just pretend his pass to Salah, or all those times he ran back to cover for Matip and Lovren while they were stuck upfield never happened.

A lot of people here on RAWK just love agenda posting way too much. Henderson wasn't terrific today, but he is hardly the problem here.

[rocco]

His name is in that lis is it not, incredible thats all you took from that post btw.

Moreno  would be far down in my thoughts of players that need shifting

[LiverBirdKop]

No more fucking excuses this is just not good enough and we have got to go out and fucking spend on better players than this dross, lets see the folks in here defend the indefensible.

Mignolet, Lovren, Klavan, Moreno, Can, Henderson, & a couple more are just not good enough. Massive changes needed. And to make things worse i had to listen to that poxy 'Spurs go marching in'

Those changes are not coming. We're just horrible at signing players something that hasn't changed for years, and years save very few exceptions.

Other teams know we have money to spend so the prices sky rocket for somewhat decent players.
We need to spend money on a proper scouting network. It's a joke,.

[BazC]

How long is Klopp gonna put up with repeated errors from mediocre players. Lovren and Mignolet, they havent suddenly become shite overnight, they've been shite for a long time, but our managers faith in them is now costing us time and time again.

Honestly gutted.

There’s no one better to bring into the first team given the lack of transfers in that area of the pitch over the summer. We could probably give Gomez a shot at CB, but Mignolet’s as good as it gets for us at the moment. Karius is worse.

[Fairytale of 2005]

Are the players absolved of any guilt for some reason?

No, but some of them aren't good enough to be here. Why are they not being replaced, when it's obvious that they should be?

[Nick110581]

It was 100% our fault. Look at the fucking goals we conceded. What exactly did they do to really score those?

Jesus Christ. Just admit that they are better than us.

[Seebab]

Well, it is strange to be on the wrong side of a couple of thrashings but it's been a long time coming with that defence. Hopefully, this is a wake up call for the team and management to make some changes not only to the back line, goalkeepers and defensive midfield but our defensive tactics generally. We need to buy in January. How hard is it to buy a semi-competent CB?

I firmly believe Klopp and his coaching staff will sort this out sooner or later.

[Gazza-LFC]

1 in 6 in the league is really really bad

[Gnurglan]

Spurs were actually pretty poor then

Individuals Gave them all 4

They are a good side. I think they could win the title. Which is why we can’t make a dozen simple defensive mistakes. Our defence is best descrbed by the goals today.
1. A throw in. We miss the offside trap, the keeper is slow to react.
2. Our corner. They win the ball. Lovren can't even jump, so we gift them a two vs one after a corner.
3. Can loses the ball with 30 seconds to go of the first half. We concede a freekick, they lob the ball in and we can't get to the second ball.
4. Another set piece. They lob the ball in and we somehow block our own keeper, he fucks up and they score another.

This is beyond bad. Just kick it long in to our box and we will score for you.

[sms1986]

It was 100% our fault. Look at the fucking goals we conceded. What exactly did they do to really score those?

They took advantage of our mistakes, not every team manages that four times.

[JackWard33]

Well, a goal in the last minute of the half will kill a team trying to come from behind every time.

If we make into the half ---- just like with Man City after Mane just down one, then we can still play and make something happen.

Unfortunately, we cannot mark, give away too many restarts for our defending, and we get punished.  This speaks to a lack of resiliency too.

Can Lovren Coutinho --- have things going on affecting their performances  (Coutinho mostly defensively after losing the ball) and the others have a HE-MAN overcompensate for being stupid or slow mentality.

As far as Mignolet & (the Milner-Henderson partnership) --- Not nearly good enough

 

Nothing Simone could do on all 4 goals I'm guessing?

[Macphisto80]

Hardly surprising. After Rodgers did the damage, Klopp needed to come in and a purging of the squad needed to happen. It didn't. Here we are.

The old saying of "you can't polish a turd" should be a unanimously agreeable one in football. Alas, we tend to think not.

We've the fringe makings of a good team, but we need upgrades right through the spine of this team for it to bear any fruit. When January gets here, and we're told there's no value in signing players at that time of the year again, then we might as well write the season off from there on in. Apparently one player on the planet is the only one good enough to improve us at center back. Same old Liverpool.

[red mongoose]

And yet I'd still rather be up here.

For what it's worth, so would I. I'm stuck down here in the jungle with power outages every time a rat farts, chicks with dicks, and monkeys on stationary bikes powering the internet. And none of it is a fraction as bad as sitting through that second half.

[astowell1]

I'm asking you what you'd like him to change?
Of the fit available players I don't think it matters what back 5 he puts out - what's your back 5 for the next game?

Moreno - Gomez - Matip - Trent

Karius.

Can holding the midfield.  Milner and Coutinho ahead.  Front 3 of Ox, Salah and Sturridge/Firmino.

Perhaps even Robertson ahead of Moreno too.

[martinsquirtle]

Our play is either scintillating, or fucking woeful. More than not this season, its been the latter. The fluid, gegenpressing utility unit is not working and we are getting picked apart by good teams. We are meant to have players that can do everything- attack, defend, press and score, but at the moment, bar Salah and Moreno, they do fuck all and look like players out of position. We need to go back to basics (whatever that means). A solid spine would be a good start.

[Robinred]

I’m not sure what to make of that to be truthful.

Defensively we were awful, but not for the whole game. We created chances, and Lloris made two outstanding saves. Mignolet surely has to be dispensed with after that - the more so when contrasted with his opposite number. Despite the negative comments he gets on these boards, I thought the midfield missed Wijnaldum. Notwithstanding Lovren’s mistake for their second, it was Milner’s inability to match Son’s pace that cost us.

If you look strictly at the stats, we did ok. Spurs had 35% possession, far fewer chances, half the passes. But then Leicester for the whole season 2 years ago had inferior stats to all the other top 6 teams.

In a way, this game was a perfect storm for us. I hope Klopp learns from it, and tries new personnel and formation. He has a difficult job and I still have faith he can salvage this season. But he has to be brave, something that for him is a strength.

[dramared]

They took advantage of our mistakes, not every team manages that four times.

quite big mistakes mind..

[Charles Foster Kane]

We made 1 first 11 signing...1

After getting champions league.. 1.

The talk of going to next level. 1

Yes, it's shocking now and it was shocking in the summer.

[killer-heels]

They took advantage of our mistakes, not every team manages that four times.

You dont make awful mistakes like that regularly. We have conceded 15 goals away this season. Cleaely we cannot defend for shit.

[Flaccido Dongingo]

I don't ever want to see Lovren or Can in a Liverpool shirt again, Lovren is comically bad, utterly atrocious, and Can doesn't give a flying fuck, miss Mane, Clyne and Lallana so badly, Keith is going to be regretting his decision soon enough, another woeful day, can't score, can't stop conceding.

[RK7]

It was 100% our fault. Look at the fucking goals we conceded. What exactly did they do to really score those?

They are better than us, they regularly finish above us and now they've done the one thing you questioned and that's beat us and let's face it...we were lucky it was only 4-1

[Arbuckle]

Klopp looks distraught, wish I could give him a cuddle right now

[Yesitsanextender]

Just remember.....every team lpool will play agwist this season will say this "
Remember lads, allthough they may be good going forward..their defence is a shambles and they love a mistake so youve always got a chance for a goal" thats depressing

[redprodigal]

It seems that some on here never want to admit that and just want to blame ourselves 100% for the defeat.

So are you saying we weren't at fault for every one of the goals?

[Charles Foster Kane]

They took advantage of our mistakes, not every team manages that four times.

What on earth are you talking about? We concede goals like that in every game. Stop twisting everything to pink elephants ffs.

[kevmck]

Moreno - Gomez - Matip - Trent

Karius.

Can holding the midfield.  Milner and Coutinho ahead.  Front 3 of Ox, Salah and Sturridge/Firmino.

If I never see Can in a liverpool shirt again I'll be ok  with it. Looks like he had a foot out the door and doesn't give a shit.  I'd  rather have someone who wants to be here

[JackWard33]

Moreno - Gomez - Matip - Trent

Karius.

This is the point I'm making - that's not a premier league level back 5 let alone a top 6 side

[Gnurglan]

Hardly surprising. After Rodgers did the damage, Klopp needed to come in and a purging of the squad needed to happen. It didn't. Here we are.

The old saying of "you can't polish a turd" should be a unanimously agreeable one in football. Alas, we tend to think not.

We've the fringe makings of a good team, but we need upgrades right through the spine of this team for it to bear any fruit. When January gets here, and we're told there's no value in signing players at that time of the year again, then we might as well write the season off from there on in. Apparently one player on the planet is the only one good enough to improve us at center back. Same old Liverpool.

We’ll get Keita. What we need is a leading CB and a leading keeper. As soon as possible.

[themightybeard]

It was one of those matches where not only do you not play well, but the opposition rubs it in by having exactly what you're lacking. Lloris making a wonderful save the likes of which we barely ever see from any of our keepers, Vertonghen and Sanchez showing what a difference having good centre backs makes, and Kane showing the poacher's instinct that we've been missing since 13/14 (though of course we are capable of making up for the lack of a 'proper' striker through the other attacking options).

What's worrying is that we're even starting to lose the reputation for the free-flowing attack. Unless we come up against someone as stubborn as Wenger or as useless as Maribor then we're struggling more than we used to.

Getting Salah was a fantastic coup, as he showed again today, and it's a silver lining that we clearly can still attract very good players but we need to sort ourselves out fast.

[hide5seek]

I honestly thought Klopp was the ruthless type of manager that would shift any deadwood in an instance once he had took us over.

Nothings changed in the defence since he came here 3 years ago.

Yes it has, it's got worse.

[TepidT2O]

In reality, things are never as bad as they seem at your lowest point..

[Sarge]

Bang on, but you know the defence is coming from the enlightened ones.

Oh of course but as I said it kills me i am right.

[Nick110581]

Klopp looks and sounds low.

[vicar]

Nothing in particular wrong with Milner (beaten for pace for Son's goal) but him and Henderson together just doesn't seem to work at all.

[Zee_26]

Hardly surprising. After Rodgers did the damage, Klopp needed to come in and a purging of the squad needed to happen. It didn't. Here we are.

The old saying of "you can't polish a turd" should be a unanimously agreeable one in football. Alas, we tend to think not.

We've the fringe makings of a good team, but we need upgrades right through the spine of this team for it to bear any fruit. When January gets here, and we're told there's no value in signing players at that time of the year again, then we might as well write the season off from there on in. Apparently one player on the planet is the only one good enough to improve us at center back. Same old Liverpool.

It's crazy isn't it. Has everyone at the club forgotten how the spine of our team looked at our best? Most recently under Rafa. Does everyone in decision making positions at the club look at Mignolet, Lovren, Henderson, Can, and Firmino and think yes, this group of players can challenge and win trophies?

[number 168]

Yes, totally invisible. Let's just pretend his pass to Salah, or all those times he ran back to cover for Matip and Lovren while they were stuck upfield never happened.

A lot of people here on RAWK just love agenda posting way too much. Henderson wasn't terrific today, but he is hardly the problem here.

Fair point he did have some effect, particularly the excellent pass to Salah. However he simply didn't do enough and hasn't for sometime now to be the fulcrum of our midfield and captain of the team. A more than decent squad player but that's it for me.

[jillcwhomever]

We’ll get Keita. What we need is a leading CB and a leading keeper. As soon as possible.

Getting a good keeper is never easy too few of them and too many other clubs needing one.

[Clint Eastwood]

Is it a good time to ask for patience?

Asking for a friend.

Nope. There's been years of patience, we look worse (at best the same as) we did last season. Baffling decisions summer after summer doesn't warrant patience.

[vicar]

Klopp looks and sounds low.

Yep most lost for words I have seen him.