Topic: The PL run-in

[gray19lfc]

If United or City win either European competition then it will have no bearings on the top 4 Champions League places as they’ll probably finish 1st and 2nd in the league anyway.

If Arsenal win the Europa and finish outside the top 4, they’ll be in next seasons Champions League along with the top 4.

If City win the FA Cup then 5th and 6th place will qualify for next seasons Europa, unless Arsenal finish 6th. Then 5th, 6th and 7th would all qualify for Europa.

[El Lobo]

Is that a possible scenario ? Must confess hadn't thought about us getting into the Champions League via that route.

Not likely at all but yeah I guess if we finish 4th and Chelsea and Arsenal both finish outside the top 4 and then win the CL and EL respectively then 1st, 2nd, 3rd and Chelsea and Arsenal would all qualify and we'd miss out.

[Fromola]

It may be a long shot, but it's feasible that 4th could miss out. If Arsenal and Chelsea both win the semi, and Chelsea don't make top 4, then whoever finishes 4th will have to wait to see if it'll be enough until after the finals.

For what it's worth 6 or 7 wins would most probably get us 3rd.

[disgraced cake]

It may be a long shot, but it's feasible that 4th could miss out. If Arsenal and Chelsea both win the semi, and Chelsea don't make top 4, then whoever finishes 4th will have to wait to see if it'll be enough until after the finals.

For what it's worth 6 or 7 wins would most probably get us 3rd.

Wouldn't that just sum this season up if it was us who did 

[kb2x]

If an English side wins either competition it has no bearing on 4th.

If United win the Europa and finish in the top 4 - they will be in pot one of the draw rather than pot 2.
If City win the CL - They will be in pot one as UCL winners, and the spot for the English champions moves to another country
If Arsenal win the Europa and finish outside the top 4 - they will go into the Champions League in pot one and we will have 5 teams in it next season.
If Chelsea win the CL and finish in the top 4 - they go into pot one as the holders, and City will remain in pot one as Champions
If Chelsea win the CL and finish 5th, they still go in as winners.

Worst case scenario is that Chelsea and Arsenal win the respective competitions and then both finish outside top 4. Say City, United, Leicester and Liverpool finish top 4.

As per the UEFA rules is concerned maximum of 5 clubs can represent England. If the winners of champions and Europa league happen to finish outside the top four then the top 3 would get in the champions league and the fourth would be a Europa league spot.

This would mean Chelsea and Arsenal finishing outside the top 4.

[Fromola]

Wouldn't that just sum this season up if it was us who did 

Man City v Chelsea CL final at the Ataturk. City playing for the treble or quadruple and we have to cheer them on.

[dutchkop]

If an English side wins either competition it has no bearing on 4th.

If United win the Europa and finish in the top 4 - they will be in pot one of the draw rather than pot 2.
If City win the CL - They will be in pot one as UCL winners, and the spot for the English champions moves to another country
If Arsenal win the Europa and finish outside the top 4 - they will go into the Champions League in pot one and we will have 5 teams in it next season.
If Chelsea win the CL and finish in the top 4 - they go into pot one as the holders, and City will remain in pot one as Champions
If Chelsea win the CL and finish 5th, they still go in as winners.

Worst case scenario is that Chelsea and Arsenal win the respective competitions and then both finish outside top 4. Say City, United, Leicester and Liverpool finish top 4.

As per the UEFA rules is concerned maximum of 5 clubs can represent England. If the winners of champions and Europa league happen to finish outside the top four then the top 3 would get in the champions league and the fourth would be a Europa league spot.

This would mean Chelsea and Arsenal finishing outside the top 4.

so basically just win each game each week and see where we end up in May.
being the eternal optimist I believe we can get to 3rd spot if we just start scoring again and start believing in ourselves.

Too much pressure and we do need to have a different way of playing maybe start with all top attackers against bottom teams.

Leeds will be difficult as they will have a go and have a really fluid midfield and pacy attack although Bamford is not pacy so if he plays the  whole 90 I fancy our chances against them

[Jookie]

Man City v Chelsea CL final at the Ataturk. City playing for the treble or quadruple and we have to cheer them on.

If the reward was us getting a CL place next season then I’d happily want City to win.

I don’t like what they stand for as a club but as a rival they are nothing. Everton then United are our proper rivals. Not bothered by any other team unless they can directly affect our fortunes.

Find Liverpool fans who have odd infatuations with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal a bit weird. City, and arguably Chelsea to a lesser degree, fit in the Arsenal/Spurs level of rivalry rather than Everton/United.

Just my opinion obviously

[El Lobo]

If the reward was us getting a CL place next season then I’d happily want City to win.

I don’t like what they stand for as a club but as a rival they are nothing. Everton then United are our proper rivals. Not bothered by any other team unless they can directly affect our fortunes.

Find Liverpool fans who have odd infatuations with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal a bit weird. City, and arguably Chelsea to a lesser degree, fit in the Arsenal/Spurs level of rivalry rather than Everton/United.

Just my opinion obviously

Happily cheer on anyone if it benefits us, fuck it. Its a nothing season anyway.....

[kaesarsosei]

If the reward was us getting a CL place next season then I’d happily want City to win.

I don’t like what they stand for as a club but as a rival they are nothing. Everton then United are our proper rivals. Not bothered by any other team unless they can directly affect our fortunes.

Find Liverpool fans who have odd infatuations with the likes of Spurs and Arsenal a bit weird. City, and arguably Chelsea to a lesser degree, fit in the Arsenal/Spurs level of rivalry rather than Everton/United.

Just my opinion obviously

And this is the correct opinion. If it was Utd then maybe there is something to think about, but not with City.

[Van Halen]

Need to win out so the team and fans aren't traveling to Upper Fuckistonia for Thursday matches next year. 

[jackh]

Updated:

3rd	Leicester	31	+18	56
4th	West Ham	31	+12	55
5th	Chelsea	31	+19	54
6th	Liverpool	31	+16	52
7th	Spurs	32	+17	50
8th	Everton	31	+3	49

This weekend:
Everton 2-2 Spurs
Newcastle vs West Ham
Leeds vs Liverpool

Then midweek:
Chelsea vs Brighton
Spurs vs Southampton
Leicester vs West Brom

[Andy-oh-six]

Does feel like it’s two from four now.

[PaddyPaned]

Does feel like it’s two from four now.
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I’ll agree on Monday, assuming we beat Leeds.

[Jon2lfc]

Man City v Chelsea CL final at the Ataturk. City playing for the treble or quadruple and we have to cheer them on.

I'd feel sick seeing them win the treble or quadruple.

If we have to end up in the EL then so be it.
Playing in that next season might be a blessing in disguise - giving us a kick up the arse.
Next season I want us to win the league again to maintain momentum in league titles. The league has to be the priority. Over the CL.
Don't want 19/20 to be a one-off.
No.7 can wait until 22/23.

[Anfield Kopite]

Updated:

3rd	Leicester	31	+18	56
4th	West Ham	31	+12	55
5th	Chelsea	31	+19	54
6th	Liverpool	31	+16	52
7th	Spurs	32	+17	50
8th	Everton	31	+3	49

This weekend:
Everton 2-2 Spurs
Newcastle vs West Ham
Leeds vs Liverpool
Chelsea vs Brighton

Then midweek:
Spurs vs Southampton
Leicester vs West Brom

Chelsea do not play Brighton this weekend. They play Man City in the FA Cup. Tuesday its Chelsea V Brighton.

[PeterTheRed ...]

After tonight's game ...

Leicester (56)

WBA (h)
Crystal Palace (h)
Southampton (a)
Newcastle (h)
Man Utd (a)
Chelsea (a)
Tottenham (h)

West Ham (55)

Newcastle (a)
Chelsea (h)
Burnley (a)
Everton (h)
Brighton (a)
WBA (a)
Southampton (h)

Chelsea (54)

Brighton (h)
West Ham (a)
Fulham (h)
Man City (a)
Arsenal (h)
Leicester (h)
Aston Villa (a)

LFC (52)

Leeds (a)
Newcastle (h)
Man Utd (a)
Southampton (h)
WBA (a)
Burnley (a)
Crystal Palace (h)

Tottenham (50)

Southampton (h)
Sheffield Utd (h)
Leeds (a)
Wolves (h)
Aston Villa (h)
Leicester (a)

Everton (49)

Arsenal (a)
Aston Villa (h)
West Ham (a)
Sheffield Utd (h)
Wolves (h)
Man City (a)
Aston Villa (a) postponed fixture

[jackh]

Chelsea do not play Brighton this weekend. They play Man City in the FA Cup. Tuesday its Chelsea V Brighton.

Humble apologies.  Was just taking it off the Google fixtures and saw they were classified in the same 'game week'.  Presumably the game was just moved back a few days?

[jckliew]

Updated:

3rd	Leicester	31	+18	56
4th	West Ham	31	+12	55
5th	Chelsea	31	+19	54
6th	Liverpool	31	+16	52
7th	Spurs	32	+17	50
8th	Everton	31	+3	49

This weekend:
Everton 2-2 Spurs
Newcastle vs West Ham
Leeds vs Liverpool

Then midweek:
Chelsea vs Brighton
Spurs vs Southampton
Leicester vs West Brom

We must win to put the pressure on Chelsea and Leicester.

[PhiLFC#1]

Not worried about CL qualification, we'll go on a run now and win all our remaining games after this week's disappointment. Chelsea have CL distraction too and harder fixtures.

Would prefer Chelsea to win the CL over City but hope PSG win it, soulless victory.

[spider-neil]

Man City v Chelsea CL final at the Ataturk. City playing for the treble or quadruple and we have to cheer them on.

I'll cheer on any scenario that helps us.

[ScouserAtHeart]

I'll cheer on any scenario that helps us.

Exactly. Anything else would be very Everton

[newterp]

Newcastle up 1-0 and west ham down a man to a red

[deFacto please, you bastards]

2-0 now for Newcastle.

Win against Leeds would be fucking huge

[UntouchableLuis]

2-0 now for Newcastle.

Win against Leeds would be fucking huge

Will put us in a good position. Everything hinges on Leicester falling out the top 4 IMO as I see Chelsea definitely doing enough for 4th if not 3rd.

Those last 3 games for Leicester are crucial- if we can make it so they need 9 points from them then we will do it.

[newterp]

Yikes!! Newcastle survive.

[Asam]

Will put us in a good position. Everything hinges on Leicester falling out the top 4 IMO as I see Chelsea definitely doing enough for 4th if not 3rd.

Those last 3 games for Leicester are crucial- if we can make it so they need 9 points from them then we will do it.

Have you seen Chelsea fixtures? I don’t think it’s a given they make top 4 at all

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

Have you seen Chelsea fixtures? I don’t think it’s a given they make top 4 at all

Plus they have two games against Real Madrid to worry about too

[killer-heels]

Have you seen Chelsea fixtures? I don’t think it’s a given they make top 4 at all

I think it’s pretty likely they make top four. They are playing like the second best side in the league and have a massive squad. I think they are nailed on for top four and most likely top 3.

[ScouserAtHeart]

Yeah, if anyone's missing out it's Leicester and West Ham

[MD1990]

I think it’s pretty likely they make top four. They are playing like the second best side in the league and have a massive squad. I think they are nailed on for top four and most likely top 3.

they lost to West Brom and snook past Porto
they are not playing that well
Good against Palace but they didn't show up

[JackWard33]

Have you seen Chelsea fixtures? I don’t think it’s a given they make top 4 at all

Agree

[rawcusk8]

Is Raphina injured for them? Big boost if true. Leeds have won 14 and lost 14 games this season, it’s all or nothing for them, got a feeling it’s going to be a high scoring game, hope we can take our midweek frustrations out on them.

[Machae]

Many thought West Ham would put Newcastle to the sword, so it's not conceivable that Chelsea won't become unstuck. Just have to pray that Liverpool can take advantage

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

With West Ham dropping points and Chelsea and Leicester still to play each other, we're just one set of dropped points from either of those two away from it all being completely in our own hands.

[MonsLibpool]

West Ham is West Ham.
Spurs are Spurs.
Everton is Everton.
Leicester is Leicester.

If we do our job, their results are irrelevant.

This.

[MonsLibpool]

With West Ham dropping points and Chelsea and Leicester still to play each other, we're just one set of dropped points from either of those two away from it all being completely in our own hands.

It IS in our hands. Their results are irrelevant because points will be dropped.

[Armand9]

if we win every game on the run in, i'd expect top four

i've seen nothing this season to suggest we can win everygame on the run in

[MJD-L4]

Results have fallen brilliantly for us the past couple of weeks. 6 more wins gets us in comfortably I think.

No reason to think we can't do it.

[Asam]

if we win every game on the run in, i'd expect top four

i've seen nothing this season to suggest we can win everygame on the run in

We just need to win the next game against Leeds