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« Reply #2000 on: January 2, 2019, 11:45:02 am »
If they lose, they need to get .6 more points than us in the remaining games. Sorry, that just isn’t happening and there is no point being cagey.

Looking into this that's very interesting. We win, and then just go at 2 points per game to the end of the season, and they'd have to jump up their current ppg for the rest of the season to match their avg from last year, that got them to 100 points - which of course is a record.

It could get to the point soon (possibly end of Feb) where they just run out of enough games to catch us.

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« Reply #2001 on: January 2, 2019, 11:57:03 am »
I think my maths is right ,if we win tomorrow and then go down to averaging 2 points per game that gives us 91 points ,city still have to win 15 of their 17 games remaining to win by a point. So we could lose a third of our games and if city drop  more than 6 we still win

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« Reply #2002 on: January 2, 2019, 12:00:03 pm »
The losses we had in the CL groups (and I suppose the Caribou Cup) potentially helped focus us so far in the PL - it also seems to have stopped the media from going into overdrive about us being unbeaten which is a good thing too.

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« Reply #2003 on: January 2, 2019, 12:03:55 pm »
The losses we had in the CL groups (and I suppose the Caribou Cup) potentially helped focus us so far in the PL - it also seems to have stopped the media from going into overdrive about us being unbeaten which is a good thing too.

True, having those bad defeats should help ground us if and when a defeat comes. Hopefully we won't be in that position though!
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« Reply #2004 on: January 2, 2019, 02:54:49 pm »
So if and I mean if... we pick up the trophy in May what does that make us?

It could really help in our pursuit of the league title!!

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« Reply #2005 on: January 2, 2019, 03:11:45 pm »
No matter the result at the Etihad, I think we will learn a lot about this group after the City game.

Lose, and we get to see how we respond to our first loss of the season, bringing other teams right back in the mix.

Win or draw.. we'll be in unchartered territory, 3 games clear from second place.. will be interesting to see how long we can maintain this ride.

Results in three "winnable" games against Brighton, Crystal Palace and Leicester to round up Jan could be telling.

But as the mantra goes.. one game at a time.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2006 on: January 2, 2019, 03:23:53 pm »
Given how good our team is and how well we're playing, if we win tomorrow, is this genuinely bigger than the run in during 2013/14? We came mightily close that season, but there's just something different about this team.

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« Reply #2007 on: January 2, 2019, 03:34:54 pm »
Looking into this that's very interesting. We win, and then just go at 2 points per game to the end of the season, and they'd have to jump up their current ppg for the rest of the season to match their avg from last year, that got them to 100 points - which of course is a record.

It could get to the point soon (possibly end of Feb) where they just run out of enough games to catch us.

We are already at the point where if City don't win tomorrow (and win every other League game to the end of the season) they cannot get more than 99 points (47 points + 54 to play for)...
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2008 on: January 2, 2019, 03:37:23 pm »
We are already at the point where if City don't win tomorrow (and win every other League game to the end of the season) they cannot get more than 99 points (47 points + 54 to play for)...

Insane to think a team could get 98 points this season and not be Champions.  :o
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« Reply #2009 on: January 2, 2019, 03:41:17 pm »
We are already at the point where if City don't win tomorrow (and win every other League game to the end of the season) they cannot get more than 99 points (47 points + 54 to play for)...

But if we win tomorrow we could feasibly be winning the title with 90 points. It gives us that bit of leeway. We're currently on 2.7ppg, but may be able to go down to 2ppg and still be comfortable. 2ppg is what Arsenal are currently doing for ref.

That's why I think if we win tomorrow, come the end of Feb that might be it. Mathematically City or Spurs could obviously still catch us, but it would require a ridiculous drop off in our form and for either of them to start hitting form they haven't reached yet. City would probably have to get a higher ppg than they even managed last season. 

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2010 on: January 2, 2019, 03:43:44 pm »
No matter the result at the Etihad, I think we will learn a lot about this group after the City game.

Lose, and we get to see how we respond to our first loss of the season, bringing other teams right back in the mix.

Win or draw.. we'll be in unchartered territory, 3 games clear from second place.. will be interesting to see how long we can maintain this ride.





That's it exactly . . .

Nothing will be won or lost because of tomorrow nights result but what ever happens - its how we take it on from that result.


Of course its much better to win it but there are a lot of games ahead.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2011 on: January 2, 2019, 03:46:33 pm »
Insane to think a team could get 98 points this season and not be Champions.  :o

Insane to think a team could drop all the points they dropped the previous season at barely past the midway point this time around....


(and still be only 4-6 points down on their equivalent points...)
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« Reply #2012 on: January 2, 2019, 03:52:17 pm »
But if we win tomorrow we could feasibly be winning the title with 90 points. It gives us that bit of leeway. We're currently on 2.7ppg, but may be able to go down to 2ppg and still be comfortable. 2ppg is what Arsenal are currently doing for ref.

That's why I think if we win tomorrow, come the end of Feb that might be it. Mathematically City or Spurs could obviously still catch us, but it would require a ridiculous drop off in our form and for either of them to start hitting form they haven't reached yet. City would probably have to get a higher ppg than they even managed last season. 

Yeah.  There's always that possibility of course, but we are starting to hit peak form, whereas City have begun to tail off after 18 relentless months. 

There's always the chance that losing a game like this could derail our season, so if we have to lose I'd prefer it be against another team.  I'm especially worried about the manner we could lose the game - like if City manage to get one of ours sent off or injured.  In an even fight we can match them - but I cannot shake this feeling they will fight dirty.  They don't really have much choice.

A seven point lead isn't insurmountable though, even if there were only five games left.  Just get through this match and onto the next game.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2013 on: January 2, 2019, 04:11:34 pm »
I think if they lose tomorrow, they will put all their eggs in the Champions league basket.  Unfortunately for them, we're in that, too.

Not that could really field a weak team in the league...

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2014 on: January 2, 2019, 04:20:02 pm »
I’d have cut my left bollock off to be 4 points clear at this stage of the season... even 6 weeks ago people we’re talking about bout wanting to still be in touch with city come the game with them..

So whatever happens tomorrow, it’s a positive...
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2015 on: January 2, 2019, 04:21:17 pm »
I’d have cut my left bollock off to be 4 points clear at this stage of the season... even 6 weeks ago people we’re talking about bout wanting to still be in touch with city come the game with them..

So whatever happens tomorrow, it’s a positive...

yes they were - this game was looked at as a must win for us.

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2017 on: January 2, 2019, 05:00:56 pm »
Given how good our team is and how well we're playing, if we win tomorrow, is this genuinely bigger than the run in during 2013/14? We came mightily close that season, but there's just something different about this team.

13/14 seemed like we challenged for the title almost by accident, nobody including Rodgers actually believed we would be anything more than top 4 contenders that season. This team is miles ahead.

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« Reply #2018 on: January 2, 2019, 05:11:32 pm »
I’d have cut my left bollock off to be 4 points clear at this stage of the season... even 6 weeks ago people we’re talking about bout wanting to still be in touch with city come the game with them..

So whatever happens tomorrow, it’s a positive...

Considering how strong our position is now though, losing tomorrow would feel like letting them back in the race. Psychologically as much as anything. It would really gee them up, 4 points is nothing with 19 games left. If we win or even draw I think it would really damage any belief they have that they can win this.
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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2019 on: January 2, 2019, 05:54:58 pm »
What is most important is how we react whatever the outcome and result tomorrow.

If we keep the same attitude and mentality that has gotten us into this position ie one game at a time, then at this rate we will continue to do well and everything is in our hands.

The psychological advantage imo is not valid, considering there are 18 games to go, a victory over them or a loss to them doesn't impact what we or they do against other sides.

We could win and still fail to win the league because we drop points elsewhere. We could lose and still win the league because we remained consistent.

It will mean feck all if we don't maintain our form prior this match regardless what we do tomorrow.

We also need luck with injuries knock on wood.

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« Reply #2020 on: January 2, 2019, 06:08:07 pm »
I think if they lose tomorrow, they will put all their eggs in the Champions league basket.  Unfortunately for them, we're in that, too.

Not that could really field a weak team in the league...
I we win tomorrow, we're set for focus on both the prem and the Cups. We'll have leeway to play around with the squad. That puts us exactly in the same boat as City for instance who could now have all the focus needed for the CL... but then so would we... in addition to the league. ;)

It will be a win all around for us- IF we do it. Puts us in a great position for both trophies(although it's the league I want).
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« Reply #2021 on: January 2, 2019, 06:27:24 pm »
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« Reply #2022 on: January 2, 2019, 06:54:14 pm »
13/14 seemed like we challenged for the title almost by accident, nobody including Rodgers actually believed we would be anything more than top 4 contenders that season. This team is miles ahead.

No one could have predicted that Suarez would have the season he had, or that Sturridge would remain largely injury free. When was the last time one team had the top two scorers in the league?

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« Reply #2023 on: January 2, 2019, 07:06:40 pm »
No one could have predicted that Suarez would have the season he had, or that Sturridge would remain largely injury free. When was the last time one team had the top two scorers in the league?

It's the only time it's happened since 1980 [nobody did it in 80 either I just stopped looking ], I couldn't be arsed going any further back  ;D

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« Reply #2024 on: January 2, 2019, 07:22:37 pm »
I’d have cut my left bollock off to be 4 points clear at this stage of the season... even 6 weeks ago people we’re talking about bout wanting to still be in touch with city come the game with them..

So whatever happens tomorrow, it’s a positive...

It's surprising anyone's got any left since City played Palace...
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« Reply #2025 on: January 2, 2019, 07:35:04 pm »
13/14 seemed like we challenged for the title almost by accident, nobody including Rodgers actually believed we would be anything more than top 4 contenders that season. This team is miles ahead.

We've never been in a situation like this before in the Premier League era. Look at where we were after New Years Eve in 13/14. The only reason we found ourselves in a title race in that one is that mad winning streak we went on during the spring.


96/97, 01/02, 08/09 were never like this either.
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« Reply #2026 on: January 2, 2019, 07:50:57 pm »
We've never been in a situation like this before in the Premier League era. Look at where we were after New Years Eve in 13/14. The only reason we found ourselves in a title race in that one is that mad winning streak we went on during the spring.


96/97, 01/02, 08/09 were never like this either.

We were top at Christmas, and only 6 points off the top on New Years Day, and were either 1st or 2nd 12 out of the first 19 games. We were in the title race from the start.
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« Reply #2027 on: January 2, 2019, 08:17:50 pm »
It's surprising anyone's got any left since City played Palace...

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« Reply #2028 on: January 2, 2019, 08:23:08 pm »
Need to go on another 11 game winning streak this year then.

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« Reply #2029 on: January 2, 2019, 08:36:43 pm »
Although tomorrow obviously has a massive impact it can’t be won or lost.

We can still win the league whether we win, lose or draw tomorrow. The 17 games after this will determine whether we do it, not just this one.

Don’t get carried away and just keep going business as usual.

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« Reply #2031 on: January 2, 2019, 09:35:20 pm »
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« Reply #2032 on: January 2, 2019, 10:57:32 pm »
Only half way through the season. Long long way to go
Just takes a couple of silly draws, a defeat and we could easily be sucked in level with city and spurs

How many prem home loses have city had over the past few seasons.
Will take a monumental effort to win there tomorrow night

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« Reply #2033 on: January 2, 2019, 11:23:03 pm »
Only half way through the season. Long long way to go
Just takes a couple of silly draws, a defeat and we could easily be sucked in level with city and spurs

How many prem home loses have city had over the past few seasons.
Will take a monumental effort to win there tomorrow night

Look at it from the City perspective.  They are taking on a team that is 7 points ahead if them, a team that is stepping up the gears as they go into the second half of the season, a team full of confidence but showing no signs of complacency.  A team that respects all opposition but fears none.  A team that has won 3 and drawn 1 of the previous encounters in the last 12 months. 

“They haven’t conceded 2 goals in a league game since April but we can score 2?  Maybe, but our defence is shite so they will probably score 2 so we will need 3? Difficult but the crowd will do its bit.  The Etihad will be full for a change will in not?  Or is it only full because their fans are filling all our empty seats?  Even if we win we will stlll be 4 points behind.”

Not easy for City is it. 
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« Reply #2034 on: January 3, 2019, 06:00:40 am »
The way I see it, we need probably 95 points to win the league from here.

There are 54 more points to play for in the remainder of the season. To get to 95 points, City need 48 points from here. That means they can drop a maximum of 6 points. That's a razor thin margin of error.

On the other hand, we have a margin of error of 13 points. That's a solid 5 games worth of dropped points in the last 18. Also challenging, but achievable.

The pressure on City is absolutely huge right now. Every time they drop points between now and the end of the season, they come a little closer to conceding the title. We in no way need to worry about them. Just keep doing what we've been doing all season, and we'll get there.

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« Reply #2035 on: January 3, 2019, 11:38:37 am »
The way I see it, we need probably 95 points to win the league from here.

There are 54 more points to play for in the remainder of the season. To get to 95 points, City need 48 points from here. That means they can drop a maximum of 6 points. That's a razor thin margin of error.

On the other hand, we have a margin of error of 13 points. That's a solid 5 games worth of dropped points in the last 18. Also challenging, but achievable.

The pressure on City is absolutely huge right now. Every time they drop points between now and the end of the season, they come a little closer to conceding the title. We in no way need to worry about them. Just keep doing what we've been doing all season, and we'll get there.


This kind of sums up why a 7 point gap (i.e. after a draw tonight) would be much bigger than it seems and most people would think and why 10 is a fucking chasm 
We'd have to be a different team in terms of our results in the remaining 17 games after tonight in order for us not to win it

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« Reply #2036 on: January 3, 2019, 11:43:49 am »
This kind of sums up why a 7 point gap (i.e. after a draw tonight) would be much bigger than it seems and most people would think and why 10 is a fucking chasm 
We'd have to be a different team in terms of our results in the remaining 17 games after tonight in order for us not to win it

Our form would really have to fall off a cliff, plus it would have to be worse than anytime under Klopp's tenure. I still don't think we've lost consecutive league games with him as manager?

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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2037 on: January 3, 2019, 12:06:11 pm »
Our form would really have to fall off a cliff, plus it would have to be worse than anytime under Klopp's tenure. I still don't think we've lost consecutive league games with him as manager?

'Form' is meaningless when there are still so many games to play and the difference at the start of this evenings game is only seven points with 17 games to play. The turnaround from us being 2 pts behind and 14 behind on GD (Match day 15) to being 7pts ahead and +2 GD took four games. It wasn't 'form', it was three big games out of four.

Take three games for each of us and allocate two losses and a draw for us and three wins for them - that's both of us level and a worse GD. That would leave 14 more games where we would need to beat their results.
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« Reply #2038 on: January 3, 2019, 12:13:23 pm »
'Form' is meaningless when there are still so many games to play and the difference at the start of this evenings game is only seven points with 17 games to play. The turnaround from us being 2 pts behind and 14 behind on GD (Match day 15) to being 7pts ahead and +2 GD took four games. It wasn't 'form', it was three big games out of four.

Take three games for each of us and allocate two losses and a draw for us and three wins for them - that's both of us level and a worse GD. That would leave 14 more games where we would need to beat their results.

Exactly, who would have predicted City would have lost two out of three to Palace, Leicester and Southampton? If it can happen to City, it can happen to us.

We are the team to beat for now, teams will be upping their game for us - we’ve all read the vitriol from other fans and I’m sure this disseminates to the players, too.

Game at a time, win at a time and let’s battle until May - let’s not lose grip on the context of our run and take things for granted.


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Re: Chasing the Title, The Pack Chasing Us
« Reply #2039 on: January 3, 2019, 12:20:20 pm »
Finally some common sense. I understand the optimism and bloody rightly so. But all the talk of one hand on the title is bollocks. We’ve shown over a number of games a point swing in our favour of nine points. That was over four games. Let’s be optimistic yes, but this talk of one hand on the trophy is massively premature.
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