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Well... The Wheels are coming off. I think, looking over the whole season we've overperformed compared to what could reasonably be expected with the overhaul last summer and also with all the injuries during the season. It may be that partly what we've been seeing these last few weeks is a team that is trying too hard because of the special circumstances with this being Klopps last season. Snapping at chances, making rushed decisions in the final third. Like in this match, any "normal" level of finishing would win us this game with the chances we created. However I've been worried for a long time about the quality of our forwards when it comes to finishing and impact. They DO score a lot of goals, but with the exception of Jota I don't really trust any of them to score when it matters and to score what they should score given the chances they get. Obviously we've been spoiled by the Mane/Bobby/Mo era, but I just don't see it with our current first choice options. Diaz was one of the better ones today, but in general I feel he's too much on the perifery in the games. The effort is there, but running across into traffic is not all that effective, he doesn't score enough goals and at 27(?) for his type of player I don't really see that changing. I'd sell him if someone offered good money. I've always said that if you compare him to Mane, one of the most significant differences is that while Mane would run through you to get to the goal, he'd go straight to the jugular, Diaz will try to go around you. He's not a killer.
Nunez, I think is a really good player, but he's not stable enough in his output to be our main source of goals. Maybe he would be better of playing on the left if we can get a more clinical striker (or a new Bobby!) in.
Salah, as great as he's been, and as many great things he's done even this season, is melting. Pace is wastly deteriorated, he's not beating his marker like he used to, he makes SO many unforced errors and his finishing is getting worse. Yes, he can show great vision and he's got a killer pass on him at the best of times, but if the Saudis want to pay silly money for him I think it's time. (I know he's a model professional and that he's setting the standards at the training, but I don't think that's enough to keep a player on his salary).
I'd keep Gakpo for his versatility and obviously Jota cause he's great.

So I don't think it's a coincidence that we've been throwing away points due to bad finishing and bad final third play for quite a while now and today was just another example of this. I think we were by far the better and dominant team and except for a frantic first 15 minutes and the endless succession of cheap freekicks Everton got, they didn't really have anything. And that is where we, unfortunately, again have to talk about the refereeing. Some might think that for a referee to have a telling impact on a match he'd have to do what they did at the Nottingham v Ev match last weekend, or in our City match, or in our Spurs match, or in our Arsenal match, or in our Chelsea away match or... (you get the picture...) But this is a perfect example of what I call the Anthony Taylor approach; just give every single 50-50 (40-60) to one team, and more often than not it will make a difference. Their first goal is from a non-freekick, then VVD gets a yellow for protesting another non-freekick, and if that had been the standards for giving freekicks in this match then surely the ref would have chalked off their second for multiple showes on VVD? Or given a freekick when Szobo was hacked down, or when Elliot were kicked at the edge of the 16 yard box? Or a foul when Diaz were clearly fouled and even kicked after the foul.. but no that was a yellow card for Diaz for protesting AND a freekick to them for Gomez running next to the same player who'd just fouled and kicked Diaz. I find it impossible to believe that the completely different interpretations of every single incident in this match depending on the colour of shirt is random. After all if he were just shit it would be random, and both teams would get equally inexplicable calls for/against no?
The way I see it there were two reasons why we lost: Firstly because our finishing is horrible and not at an acceptable level, secondly because the ref gave them enough opportunities to score a few themselves.
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Trent Alexander-Arnold
« Last post by wemmick on Today at 03:06:22 am »
Trent needs a new position. I wonder if he could be the right-sided attacking midfielder in an orthodox 4-2-3-1? Play it like Gerrard did. The club needs to sign Trent this summer, and I hope Slot can find a better position for him. The defensive lapses diminish his otherwise remarkable play.   
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We were a mess, a banter club for five years under FSG, and going nowhere until Klopp arrived. FSG managed to sack three managers in that time. The best thing they've ever done for the club and their investment was hiring him. I really believe in that we'd still be hovering around midtable if Klopp wasn't here. He gave us a life, and a purpose, united us, and guided us out of the mess. now I'm getting all emotional.

Yup. Fun times ahead :/
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General Football and Sport / Re: NBA Discussion
« Last post by In the Name of Klopp on Today at 03:00:46 am »
Oh oh! Looks like no one told the Heat they were meant to get swept. On to Miami for the next two at 1-1, and you know Boston have that mental glass jaw.

Every time you think this is Celtics year, they do shit like this. Fragile af
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I’m a fan of Diaz, but if it was as simple as “adding goals”, he’d have done it by now. He’ll turn 28 next season, how many players have “added goals” at 28?

While Salah is there Diaz is somewhat second fiddle, IF Mo were to leave us in the summer I think we’d see more goals from Diaz. I think if he was getting better supply right now we’d be seeing more from him.
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Very strange substitutions from Klopps there. Bringing on Gomez and Tsmikias when chasing the game with 10mins to go. Quansah and Endo before that too.  4/5 subs were defensive while Gravenberch, Gakpo and Danns stayed on the bench. Strange

Gakpo was waiting for his child, it would have been a struggle to fetch him.
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Since Klopp left, Dortmund have finished 2nd five times, 3rd twice, and 4th once. So they've hardly dropped into midtable.

Rodgers came very close to winning the league with us. Obviously it turned sour pretty quickly afterwards but I don't think anyone is arguing that he's anywhere near Klopp's level.

If you wanted to follow the argument through the looking glass you could end up arguing that if FSG had just hired Klopp after sacking Hodgson he would have been challenging for titles and European honours with the likes of Mignolet Downing and Carroll.

We were a mess, a banter club for five years under FSG, and going nowhere until Klopp arrived. FSG managed to sack three managers in that time. The best thing they've ever done for the club and their investment was hiring him. I really believe in that we'd still be hovering around midtable if Klopp wasn't here. He gave us a life, and a purpose, united us, and guided us out of the mess. now I'm getting all emotional.
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: The Title Race 2023/24- Jurgen's Last Dance
« Last post by Dim Glas on Today at 02:49:07 am »
Since Klopp left, Dortmund have finished 2nd five times, 3rd twice, and 4th once. So they've hardly dropped into midtable.

Rodgers came very close to winning the league with us. Obviously it turned sour pretty quickly afterwards but I don't think anyone is arguing that he's anywhere near Klopp's level.

If you wanted to follow the argument through the looking glass you could end up arguing that if FSG had just hired Klopp after sacking Hodgson he would have been challenging for titles and European honours with the likes of Mignolet Downing and Carroll.

Not getting involved with you and Al’s ‘discussion’, but Dortmund have never really got over Klopp leaving, as much as they used to pretend they did.  And there’s been that sense of regret that they didn’t do what needed doing, and what Klopp didn’t want them to do - break up and rebuild the team, and get him to stay, rather than the other way round.

Bayern have dropped 10 levels in this time also don’t forget.  And league positions can be a bit deceptive, they’ve gone through too many coaches, they’ve underachieved at a time when the league was there for the taking in about 4 seasons since he left, in which they failled to win it.  But hey, if they win the CL this year, maybe finally they can move on  ;D

But I don’t think it’ll be the same for Liverpool, as they have the ‘prestige’ and ability to pay bigger fees and the huge wages that BVB never did.
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Don't you get the point we are one of the richest clubs on the planet. Yet you are stating that with the right structure in place we will have a chance of doing well again.

That is fucking nuts.

I could be wrong but I take in this case “structure” to mean management and upstairs people. We’ve always been a big global club, but for 30 years it didn’t help us win a league. It takes the right management team along with players and recruitment staff etc to have a “chance of doing well” IE winning.
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Liverpool FC Forum / Re: Mohamed Salah - Best in the World *
« Last post by G Richards on Today at 02:43:19 am »
Am I the only one who thinks he was a
10/10 balon dor superstar until he lost afcon and world cup to Senegal in a week and hasn't looked the same since.

Ooooh 12 non pen goals in the Prem. Big hoop so does Chris Wood let's get him.

Mo salah is now no longer good enough for lfc.

You’ve been talking about Mane putting him out. That was the 2022 final, Egypt v Senegal, and Salah has certainly shown some great stuff since 2022 for us. In 2024 Senegal and Egypt didn't play each other, and Salah limped off with a hamstring injury against Ghana.

The injury was worse than first thought, then he tweaked it again, and he hasn’t got back to the level he was showing in the first half of the season for us, before AFCON. It has all coincided now with a loss of form, and the timing is lousy as we were trying to win a Premier League title. Salah has been so relentlessly good over the years that I can’t even begrudge him a loss of form.

The legitimate question that is coming to the fore is about his age and drop in level.

To my mind Salah is clearly past peak. The pace isn’t there and he rarely runs past defenders. The strength isn’t there either, and he often gets muscled off the ball and loses his duels. There have been signs that he is reinventing himself and developing his game, dropping a bit deeper, looking for a pass, and then still trying to finish, but overall, we are now in a phase of diminishing returns.

I’d have no qualms about selling him this summer so the new manager can reinvest the fee and shape his team.

With all that said, it should not be beyond fans to show some respect to one of our greats. I may have it wrong, but reading the last couple of pages you almost sound like you are reveling in his decline and eager to kick him to touch.

I do think it is time for a move, and don’t disagree there, but Mo Salah has nothing but respect from me for the man he is and his considerable achievements in a Liverpool shirt. Bringing Chris Wood into it seems unnecessarily disrespectful.


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