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One Summer
« on: September 2, 2006, 06:02:46 pm »
One summer surely could not have done more to illustrate just how far football has become removed from the people who, for generations, have been its’ very bedrock.

The British press, as pathetic as ever, build up a team of World Beaters, only to later mock them and blame a ‘foreign’ manager for their failings. Then, in the biggest u-turn since Frank Worthington’s medical results came through, they decided that the England fans were the best in the world and proceeded to inform the world of the fact.

Of course England were shite, I’ve never seen anything else, they can’t beat teams with inferior players and their must be a reason behind that, I very much doubt that it purely down to a succession of inadequate managers, and wouldn’t mind betting that the McLaren - Venables partnership fails, with the inevitable sneering of the press.

Italy went on to win the World Cup, only to find half of their players instantly relegated for the parts their clubs had played to varying levels in a scandal that runs deep through the veins of the higher echelons of perhaps the most influential league in European football. Just how the two can remain divorced from one another is beyond me, but that is another story.

Which brings us a little closer to home. The captain of Liverpool Football Club, idolised by millions, decided to sell the dramatisation of his life story to the sister publication to that reviled on Merseyside. No doubt Murdoch saw this as an opportunity to increase circulation and legitimise his rag’s relationships with Liverpool FC. After two summers of toying with the emotions of Liverpool fans, I personally find it amazing that the captain of the club can act in such a heartless manner and stick two very public fingers up at each and every one of us. I thought that Carragher should have been made club captain thirteen months ago, I now have no doubts that this was the correct course of action. Stephen Gerrard is the most gifted footballer of his generation, but he is more at home posing for yet another shoot for “Hello” than he ever would be with a group of scousers in Wetherspoon’s discussing the merits of the game. Although I have no intention of reading his book, I wonder what he has to say about Hillsborough or Press’s reaction to Hillsborough, or maybe not!

Then there is Salif Diao, told he has no future at the club, not even given a squad number in a squad with more numbers than the telephone directory, what does he do? He refuses to even discuss his future with interested clubs. Hardly alone in this day and age, but still a man with absolutely no professional pride. The fact that hardly anybody finds his position unusual just goes to emphasise exactly how little respect is now afforded to those who list their profession as ‘professional footballer’ and surely our own Mr Diao is right up their with the best of the mercenaries.

Surely the likes of Giggs, Neville and Scholes at United have received offers in the past but you could never really imagine them leaving for financial reasons, least of all as the trophies were rolling into Old Trafford. I’m by no means supportive of United, least of all Manchester United PLC but you have do feel something is being done correctly.

OK its unfair to paint everything as black and white, it isn’t, you only need to look at the professionalism of the likes of Carragher, Hamman & Hyppia to see how attitude should shine through. It is impossible to believe that Carra would be faced with anything like the dilemma Stevey G was, had he been confronted with Abramovic’s roubles. It is impossible to imagine many players with the loyalty of Fowler when Ferguson was sniffing around and, in all likelihood, the club may have cashed in. But the embarrassment of the ‘Spice Boy’s’ lives long in the memory, pop videos, pop-star girl friends, Armani Catwalks, David James haircuts an all. I don’t know about anybody else but I found the sight of Jason MacAteer sprawled across the pitch in Paris parrotin’ down his mobile phone when he should have been thinking about a Cup Winners Cup Semi-Final was far more embarrassing than Wayne Rooney getting collared shagging a granny.

I know that we have used position and money in the past to attract players that otherwise may not have come, but even Champagne Charlie Nicholas chose elsewhere (coz he was scared of being scared of Kenny), Lou Macari chose to go to United ….to win things (the second division as it happened), for fuck sake Paul Goddard even chose Derby ahead of us. The situation with Chelsea is different, completely fucken different, never has one club had such financial domination over the rest. It isn’t a case of Liverpool not being able to compete financially with Chelsea, nobody can, never mind the goalposts have moved, the whole fucken pitch has moved.

Which brings us to the real story of the Summer which epitomises everything that is wrong with football. The incident which illustrates the stench of hypocrisy and unadulterated greed that exists within modern football far more than the Italian corruption scandal ever could is the Ashley Cole transfer saga.

I won’t make any bones about it, I can’t fucken stand Chelsea anything about them. I have always hated the place, well before the Abramovic years, its not a case of jealousy- I’ve seen Liverpool win far more than any football fan has a right to see their team win, certainly far more than any Chelsea fan is likely to see their team win in their lives. I think the fans are knobs, revelling n Eng-ger-laand for years, coz, let’s face it, their team were shite. Self proclaimed hooligans singing about celery, abusing their own players, they appear to have no geographical base, footballing nomads, Reading, Watford, Hampshire, you name it, anywhere but West Fucken London…. Does anybody know where they actually come from?

Cole, a self proclaimed boyhood Arsenal fan, came through the ranks at Arsenal and was promoted by Wenger to first team regular at the age of eighteen. He was promoted as a local lad at a club dominated by foreign internationals, a player the fans could relate to, a player with a bright future who may one day go on to captain both club and country. A younger player becoming established at one of the biggest clubs in the world.

It is difficult to imagine a player who could have won as much with their clubs as Cole has at 25, certainly amongst English players. With Arsenal just having played in their first European Cup final it is difficult to imagine that he feels they are going backwards, nor that he can achieve no more with a club that he ‘loves’.

So why, with two years to run on his contract, was Cole arranging meetings with representatives of Chelsea in order to engineer a move away from the club he loved and to one of their biggest rivals? Coz he’s a c*nt? Maybe.

Why was every newspaper in the country reporting that Arsenal had only offered him £55K a week when he had been promised £60K, on the reliable word of his agent? Coz he’s a greedy c*nt? Maybe.

Cole’s relationship with the bird from Girl’s Aloud is nauseating, designed in a Beckhamesque image and born of Hello and the tabloid press, every image worth a small fortune to the millions of gobshites obsessed with the world of the celebrity. A celebrity wedding consummated exclusively in Hello magazine, surely a match made in heaven or at least Threadneedle Street Heaven, had its doubts cast upon it with all sorts of ‘gay’ slurs amongst the good old tabloid press. Never slow to miss an opportunity good old Mr Cole decided that legal action was appropriate and settled out of court.

At the FA hearing into the alleged irregularities that had taken place between Ashley, Joey Mourhino and good old Peter Kenyon (a man who could give Heather Mills tips on gold-digging), Mr Cole’s representative described his relationship with Arsenal as that of master and slave. Fuck me, with the events that have occurred since I know who appears to have had the upper hand.

It amazes me even further to read today that Arsenal are being forced to pay Cole in the region of a further £5 mill for his apparent loyalty to them. Yeah, I know it goes on, but it doesn’t make it right, it’s abhorrent, it absolutely fucken stinks.

Of course it was a chance meeting in a West London restaurant, a meeting that led to Cole ultimately signing a lucrative contract for the richest club in the world, surely the perfect club for him, a club with no morals, no heart and a financial bedrock built on very shaky foundations.

A match made in heaven and I hope and pray the pair of them rot!

If there was ever one incident which is indicative of how ridiculous we, as football fans, have become in the age where the Sky’s money dictates our every move then the transfer of this horrible, greedy bastard is exactly that!

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #1 on: September 2, 2006, 06:09:55 pm »
as usual fella spot fukkin on.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #2 on: September 2, 2006, 06:13:18 pm »
Great TV show back in the day though wasn't it.

Two scousers having a laugh in North Wales - quality
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I want to read about a Welshman reclaiming our Kop and over engineering songs we have nicked. Priorities guys

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #3 on: September 2, 2006, 06:23:06 pm »
Good work John and an interesting read. I echo your comments on the Ashley Cole situtation.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #4 on: September 2, 2006, 06:26:33 pm »
Spot on mate and a good read

Angered me with that Salif bit though reminding me how he doesn't want to leave :no

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« Reply #5 on: September 2, 2006, 06:31:44 pm »
even though i don't agree will all of them, respect your passion and great points.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #6 on: September 2, 2006, 07:15:41 pm »
Nail on fuckin head, mate. 

With this Tevez, Mascherano move an all.. all coz Tevez & Co feels they can gain good experience there.................  yeah right!.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #7 on: September 2, 2006, 07:18:21 pm »
can I just say before I've read this.Welcome back John.Its about time you posted again ;)





edit :- and spot on as per...
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #8 on: September 2, 2006, 07:22:00 pm »
Well Chelsea may have Ashley Cole, but they really wish that they had Riise!
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #9 on: September 2, 2006, 07:29:31 pm »
Self proclaimed hooligans singing about celery, abusing their own players, they appear to have no geographical base, footballing nomads, Reading, Watford, Hampshire, you name it, anywhere but West Fucken London

great post but, every club has its 'hooligans' and every club has had these people writing about it with pride.

i doubt you'll hear scousers singing and shouting at stamford bridge for chelsea. the same can not be be said for us, where ott's are not just a few  miles away but come from all corners of england. 99% of Chelsea's support does come from the west side/ish of london, you wont catch too many coming from east london, kent etc...

bit harsh to have a pop at em when we have the second biggest out of town support in the country.

did you honestly give two fucks about chelsea 10-15 years ago?
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #10 on: September 2, 2006, 07:30:23 pm »
well in john, excellent post.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #11 on: September 2, 2006, 07:37:39 pm »


did you honestly give two fucks about chelsea 10-15 years ago?
  if thats what he wrote then yes.Not known John to write anything unture/not from the heart...

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« Reply #12 on: September 2, 2006, 07:42:01 pm »


did you honestly give two fucks about chelsea 10-15 years ago?

Just like I hate every team now la, all potential enemies of the reds, fuck the lot of em.

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« Reply #13 on: September 2, 2006, 07:56:24 pm »
Great to see you back posting, John  :)

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #14 on: September 2, 2006, 08:16:35 pm »
Its showbizz ! Im amazed anyone thinks someone like Gerrard would even in is wildest nightmares enjoy having a pint in a Wetherspoons pub
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« Reply #15 on: September 2, 2006, 09:17:38 pm »
Spot on John, I won't criticise a single word. Although regarding Gerrard's book, some might have thought he's writing one to get bad publicity off his C.V. (agents often advise their clients to write books to improve PR) but by having it serialised in the NOTW (if he allowed it - he obviously has a say) proves its being done 100% for the money.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #16 on: September 2, 2006, 09:18:38 pm »

did you honestly give two fucks about chelsea 10-15 years ago?

Oh yeah, fucken horrible bastard place. Remember going there about 74 when Peter Cormack scored and they where building that stand that nearly bankrupt them.... fucken gobshites.

Remember Bates buying the place for a nicker and then asking everyone else to 'Save the Bridge', while lining his own pockets, the twat. Does anybody else remember the Blue Peter style 'Save the Bridge' poles at the corner of the ground.

Remember Cannoville warming up to monkey sounds from his own fans, fucken wankers.

Remember Ken Bates trying to electrify the fences at the away end.

Remember the shite they had playing for them and how they thought they were something special.... John Hollins, Mickey Droy, Kerry Dixon, Graham Le Saux c*nts the lot of them.

Remember the grids on the soft c*nts when we won the league there, its still the biggest celebration the bridge has ever seen, qnd you can bet your life that none of teh c*nts that were there that day are paying a oner to set in the West Stand now!

Its showbizz ! Im amazed anyone thinks someone like Gerrard would even in is wildest nightmares enjoy having a pint in a Wetherspoons pub

You've misssed the point mate, I never imagined Gerrard wanting to sit in a Wetherspoons, the point is that he is completely divorced from the people he grew up with, the people who pay his wages. It is the people who pay his wages that sit in Wetherspoons discussing the game to the nth degree.

It was not that long ago that you would see Stephen Gerrard watching a Sunday game, he wasn't getting hassled or anything. Look at Robbie or Carra, they can go anywhere, do anything and are happy to do it.

Could anyone in there wildest dreams imagine Carra could be so aloof, so uncaring and so damned right ignorant of the feelings of some Liverpool fans as to sell his soul to the News of The World, I know that I couldn't. Gerrard has become part of the establishment that treats football fans with nothing but contempt, his numerous appearances in exclusives in 'celebrity' magazine only serve to illustrate this.   
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #17 on: September 2, 2006, 10:03:41 pm »
John, really enjoyed that post, though if you want to take one good thing out of the summer, it has been for me, Bayern's refusal to let Hargreaves go, even though he displayed all ridiculous means to try and get himself out. This is one of the few times that I can remember a club being big enough and ballsy enough to make a contract be just that, and not giving in to all the underhand ways of the agent/player! I think it's one of the best things to have happened in the world of football in recent years-players sign and demand long contracts in case of injury etc-knowing that if it suits them they'll do everything they can to tear them up!
However, there is one downside to the goodness of this story-they were maybe only able to sit back and resist the Manc offers because Chelsea had stuffed their coffers with the Roman rubels!
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #18 on: September 2, 2006, 10:04:23 pm »
I don't think I've read the about the state and politics of the modern game summarised more effectively or concisely. It struck a chord massively.

I can't believe the Cole situation, if I were an Arsenal fan I'd have given up over the last few months. If it carries on there'll be nothing left of football.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #19 on: September 2, 2006, 10:44:05 pm »
While I agree with much of what you wrote, I am sure you can go and find numerous examples of players being greedy c*nts throughout the history of the game.  Whenever money is involved in anything there will always be greedy people.

I 100% agree with you on Carra being captain.  I felt that way when Gerrard was first given the captaincy by Houllier and I feel even strongly today.

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« Reply #20 on: September 2, 2006, 11:07:22 pm »
John, have you read Vernon God Little? Your slightly cynical overview and use of the word 'fucken' reminded me of it very much. And that won the Booker Prize, so it's no small plaudit :)

Great read. Identify with what you're saying there too. However, Stevie G's performances on the pitch in the important games of the last two years would suggest we've got the right man wearing the armband after all. Just a thought...
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« Reply #21 on: September 2, 2006, 11:16:55 pm »
Great read John, reminded me of something Brian Reade might write. If he was allowed to swear that is!

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #22 on: September 2, 2006, 11:27:36 pm »
great post but, every club has its 'hooligans' and every club has had these people writing about it with pride.

i doubt you'll hear scousers singing and shouting at stamford bridge for chelsea. the same can not be be said for us, where ott's are not just a few  miles away but come from all corners of england. 99% of Chelsea's support does come from the west side/ish of london, you wont catch too many coming from east london, kent etc...

bit harsh to have a pop at em when we have the second biggest out of town support in the country.

did you honestly give two fucks about chelsea 10-15 years ago?

Sorry you're wrong there mate. I live in East London and a good deal of their support comes from outside west london. There's loads of match going Chelsea where I live which is in the heart of West Ham territory. I work with two season ticket holders. And it may surprise you, certainly did me, but they have suddenly picked up supporters from the north. Apparently Chelsea supporters with northern accents are pissing of their traditional support in the same way that cockneys seem to piss off (some) local reds. West Londoners normally support QPR.
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« Reply #23 on: September 2, 2006, 11:48:21 pm »
Great post, agreed with all of it.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #24 on: September 3, 2006, 12:06:02 am »
Judging by the state of the trains when Chelsea are playing, a hell of a lot of their support comes from Guildford and Dorking or stops on the way there.

Boss rant by the way.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #25 on: September 3, 2006, 12:20:26 am »
good to see you back john, at least for tonight ;) but when does it get to the stage where you just think, 'fuck it, this is garbage and I don't want any part of it anymore?'

I read a small article about a japanese inventor who has designed this 'cyber teaching robot' to take care of his lessons. This robot looks the spit of him, complete with exact mouth movements, eyebrow raises.. the lot. It's straight out of Futurama. His dream is to produce a robotic football team that can compete on a level playing field in 50 years time.. soon there could be Liverpool vs Shell Technotronics FC in the Eurasion League.

I agree with most of what you have said regarding Gerrard, Diao and Cole (and MacAteer)... and then there's the agents owning the likes of Tevez and Mascapone just to add another dolop on top, but when will anyone say enough is enough? When will that time come? Why is watching the career of Rio Ferdinand similar to a scientist peering down on a petri dish?


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« Reply #26 on: September 3, 2006, 12:23:39 am »
Great post.

You know, im a Liverpool fan, i dont give two craps about Arsenal but Cole leaving Chelsea kind of got to me. Not because Chelsea have been strengthened and it aint good for us but just coz this guy was born and bred Arsenal, and BANG goes off across London to Chelsea. Its all about the money! With this one, i know it. That plonk has gone for the money.

He was going on about how he was treated like a 'slave' during the saga. What?! The question is why did this saga exist? Why did you even meet them? Im guessing a little word in his ear about a bigger pay packet must of done the trick.

If i was an Arsenal fan, id be seething.
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« Reply #27 on: September 3, 2006, 12:24:25 am »
I read a small article about a japanese inventor who has designed this 'cyber teaching robot' to take care of his lessons. This robot looks the spit of him, complete with exact mouth movements, eyebrow raises.. the lot. It's straight out of Futurama. His dream is to produce a robotic football team that can compete on a level playing field in 50 years time.. soon there could be Liverpool vs Shell Technotronics FC in the Eurasion League.

Fuck me. Big Sam Allardyce might be a twat, but when he said 'this sport will soon become completely non-contact... when it does, hopefully I will be long gone.' I couldn't agree with him more. That's my main gripe with football today. I thought the back-pass change of rule was supposed to make the game faster paced and more exciting. In theory, great. In practice, when referees stop play every thirty seconds, who are they trying to kid? I don't think it will be one big turning point, just the little things will gradually creep up on you until you can't take it any more.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #28 on: September 3, 2006, 12:28:26 am »
Top notch fella. Shame it'll go unread by those that can really influence the game and in particular the club captain.

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« Reply #29 on: September 3, 2006, 12:54:16 am »
John, really enjoyed that post, though if you want to take one good thing out of the summer, it has been for me, Bayern's refusal to let Hargreaves go, even though he displayed all ridiculous means to try and get himself out. This is one of the few times that I can remember a club being big enough and ballsy enough to make a contract be just that, and not giving in to all the underhand ways of the agent/player! I think it's one of the best things to have happened in the world of football in recent years-players sign and demand long contracts in case of injury etc-knowing that if it suits them they'll do everything they can to tear them up!
However, there is one downside to the goodness of this story-they were maybe only able to sit back and resist the Manc offers because Chelsea had stuffed their coffers with the Roman rubels!

Yep definitly mate. I loved the comments coming out the Bayern camp during the whole saga. Great fukin entertainment.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #30 on: September 3, 2006, 04:18:48 am »
Sorry you're wrong there mate. I live in East London and a good deal of their support comes from outside west london. There's loads of match going Chelsea where I live which is in the heart of West Ham territory. I work with two season ticket holders. And it may surprise you, certainly did me, but they have suddenly picked up supporters from the north. Apparently Chelsea supporters with northern accents are pissing of their traditional support in the same way that cockneys seem to piss off (some) local reds. West Londoners normally support QPR.

yeah, but so does most of arsenal's, spur's west ham etc.. over the last 30 years a hell of a lot of londoners have/did move into the home counties. most went where industries were thriving or family members allready lived.

this being the reason why so many southern lads support liverpool, man u, the bitters etc.. they have no real local team, so choose to support whoever they like.

however, the ones that do support local? teams, have usually hand it passed down to them from family.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #31 on: September 3, 2006, 04:48:59 am »
West Londoners normally support QPR.
As they should... :D

John, I enjoyed that enormously but cringed a little at the Cole defamation, I really don't think any of us know what went on behind the scenes there and I for one don't think that he wanted away purely because of greed. He's been nothing less than complimentary about Wenger and the Arsenal fans, and it strikes me that he wanted this move to get at Dein rather than anything else.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #32 on: September 3, 2006, 08:42:43 am »
Great to see you writing again John. Agree with it all other than the Diao part. Hope to see more from you in the future.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #33 on: September 3, 2006, 08:59:17 am »
great post but, every club has its 'hooligans' and every club has had these people writing about it with pride.

i doubt you'll hear scousers singing and shouting at stamford bridge for chelsea. the same can not be be said for us, where ott's are not just a few  miles away but come from all corners of england. 99% of Chelsea's support does come from the west side/ish of london, you wont catch too many coming from east london, kent etc...

bit harsh to have a pop at em when we have the second biggest out of town support in the country.

Liverpool have a wide fan base, supporters all over the globe, this, in the main, is an effect of two things- the migration of Merseysiders and the success of the club. Make no mistakes, the heart of the club remains on Merseyside as does the nucleus of its support. Go to Goodison next week and 80% of the Liverpool section will be male, scouse and aged 20 to 50, it will be a similar at St James, Old Trafford and if we ever get back to Elland Road. It will not be the same Liverpool  crowd as you get at Selhurst Park in the League Cup. The club may not like it, but it is a fact.

Most clubs have a similar geographical fan base Everton, City, Villa, Leeds, etc. would all claim to have a wide fan base but there is no doubt where the base of their support is. Go out in Islington or Camden and it will be Arsenal fans you meet, go out in whitechappel or Romford and it is West Ham, Croyden Man U, I just can't see where Chelsea's support is, never have been able to. I've seen little evidence around Kensington, Earl's Court or even West London generally when its not a match day. That may be coz of the make up of teh population there, but I have seen far more evidence of support in places as geographically diverse as Watford & Woking.

This isn't a comment about since they have been succesful, it's my experience of Chelsea fan's over thirty years or so, not the odd one, I have sat at Euston after we have playedthem and watch them scatter off on trains to just about everywhere, I haven't a fucken clue where they are from.

John, I enjoyed that enormously but cringed a little at the Cole defamation, I really don't think any of us know what went on behind the scenes there and I for one don't think that he wanted away purely because of greed. He's been nothing less than complimentary about Wenger and the Arsenal fans, and it strikes me that he wanted this move to get at Dein rather than anything else.

I don't think he'll be disparaging about anybody until it is in his book and he is making dough out of it, or maybe the pre-book serialisation in the S*n! Maybe its my cynacism but I can't help but feel is whole lifestyle is based around the accumulation of wealth and little else of substance.

You're implying SG is aloof, uncaring and ignorant of the fans and also the families of the Hillsborough. You also suggest you pay his wages.
I just don't agree tragedy

Listen mate, I'm not implying anything, I am saying that this is the case.
« Last Edit: September 3, 2006, 09:04:21 am by john_mac »
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #34 on: September 3, 2006, 09:20:56 am »
Listen mate I just feel you're views are bitter at best. Its fuckin football and some people quite wrongly get themselves all worked up about it. Your opinions about the various individuals you talk about are based on not really knowing what the fuck has really happened. The Diao example is typical, a lot of people are disgusted with this guy, his crime against LFC is that he will not uproot his family and work somewhere else for say half the money he's on at Liverpool.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #35 on: September 3, 2006, 09:29:50 am »
Listen mate I just feel you're views are bitter at best. Its fuckin football and some people quite wrongly get themselves all worked up about it. Your opinions about the various individuals you talk about are based on not really knowing what the fuck has really happened. The Diao example is typical, a lot of people are disgusted with this guy, his crime against LFC is that he will not uproot his family and work somewhere else for say half the money he's on at Liverpool.
Its a comment about how football has changed from the days it was a sport for people and could be related to by people.The fact that its "fuckin football" in 2006 doesnt necessarily make it a good thing.I dont necessarily agree with every point John makes but do agree with the underlying theme that today's football hasnt really changed for the better and nor is it a sport/industry that I can relate to in the same way as years gone by.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #36 on: September 3, 2006, 09:38:27 am »
I know, I understand his frustration but feel its no use villifying players and talking about football in terms of it being an ammoral mess. I was deadly serious when I said earlier on that its showbizz...unfortunately. John its not personal you sound like a man I would love to have a bevvy with I just dont agree, is it allowed because i've only posted a few times?
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #37 on: September 3, 2006, 09:44:10 am »
Great read John, send a copy to Gerrard. Doubt he'll read it but you never know.

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Re: One Summer
« Reply #38 on: September 3, 2006, 09:49:33 am »
Personally mate, I don't really care how mny times you have posted. I do know a little bit about the Diao situation btw, I just don't happen to have the sympathy you appear to. Salif was approached by a Premier League club during the Summer arranged to meet them and then never even turned up to hear what they had to say. He is not interested in anything until his contract has been run down, the club was  abit nearer than Portsmouth where he spent last season on loan and had insisted he was interested in a permenant move. Fact is that he saw signing for Liverpool as the cash cow, once he had signed he may as well as retired there and then.

I could go into more detail about Gerrard and give specific examples about why my opinions have been formed but I would prefer to let his 'commercial' activities speak for themselves.
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Re: One Summer
« Reply #39 on: September 3, 2006, 02:09:29 pm »
Always enjoy your posts.

I think you're spot on when you point to the nomadic nature of Chelsea support. It was
interesting to hear Mourinho's bellyache in May when he complained that Chelsea's victory procession had been ignored by all the papers in favour of Liverpool's on the same day. But what did he expect? A coach ride taken by a footy team down the Kings Road will provoke more passers-by to say 'Who are they?' than 'We are the Champions'.  I seem to remember that after the '97 General Election Stamford Bridge was the only football ground in Britain to be in a Tory constituency. Says it all really.

Like you, I remember the wretched Chelsea of the 70s and 80s. The Nazi-saluting black-shirts who sat in the front row of the East Stand singing stuff straight out of the Heinrich Himmler and Reverend Paisley song-books. Anything was allowed at Chelsea. No one seemed to care a toss about the club being mired in disgrace. Well nowt's changed.

You might have added Ron Harris to your list of the despised too. No-one who saw his premeditated assault on Eddie Gray in the Cup Final reply will ever forget it. Ben Thatcher had nowt on 'Chopper'. Leeds Utd have been rightly condemned for their cynicism over the years, but Chelsea also cheated their way to the top on the one occasion they weren't foraging among the dustbins for something to eat (to coin a word).

There'll be a whole lot of football people willing Liverpool to win the league this year. If that happens it won't solve all the problems with the game you've talked about. But it will illustrate one thing you've forgotten to mention about the sport.  Once the whistle goes, so long as the ref hasn't been bought, there's nothing at all that Abramovich can do to influence the outcome. The game's still the game.         
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