Topic: Brazilian Porn Review Topic (Warning: may contain Wijnaldum)

[RedForeverTT]

We had the whole of last season to sort out his contract but couldn’t. It is not more likely that we could sort this with a few weeks to spare.

FSG being business people would not want a player to walk away for nothing. It is possible that we will sell Gini and not have a  replacement. 

[jillcwhomever]

I am not sure how anyone can entirely be sure over what is behind this. Whether's it's Gini wanting to leave or him wanting to stay. He had a chance to deny the possibility of leaving but didn't choose to do it. It seems that Koeman rates him highly as well, my biggest fear rather than losing Gini is that Barcelona will hum and ha, because of the Messi situation and we run the risk of losing Gini without having a replacement lined up, whoever that might be. The club needs to be able to cover all sides of this situation.

[Mighty_Red]

to be honest I don't quite believe stories about the length of his contract being an issue. I reckon that is something that is being leaked (by either party) as an excuse.

I'm pretty sure contract length would be sorted within a couple of months of negotiation.

If he wants to leave to take up a new challenge then I have no problem. I hope he stays for one more year but if he wants to go now then he can but only if we can sort out his replacement.

[farawayred]

to be honest I don't quite believe stories about the length of his contract being an issue. I reckon that is something that is being leaked (by either party) as an excuse.

I'm pretty sure contract length would be sorted within a couple of months of negotiation.

If he wants to leave to take up a new challenge then I have no problem. I hope he stays for one more year but if he wants to go now then he can but only if we can sort out his replacement.

Not necessarily true for a players last lucrative contract, I reckon. One year at 150k/wk is 7.5m quid!

[Smellytrabs]

If the club is open to losing Gini, it may be because we're planning to tweak our formation.

It's possible, but how we've set up in pre-season so far would seem to indicate that it's business as usual? If we were planning to change system would Klopp have given it a run out before the season starts?

[JackWard33]

Not necessarily true for a players last lucrative contract, I reckon. One year at 150k/wk is 7.5m quid!

Yup and there could be two years between them not 1 (he's asking for 5 we're offering 3..)... He might be asking for 150 - he'll certainly be paid more than that if he moves.
The thing is its won't be just the money for us its the opportunity cost of having older players on top wages not getting picked in the first team but not being able to give that money to a new first team player.

A lot of people seem to be removing agency from the club in all this by saying 'well he's in the last year of his contract' ... the club have let him get to this point and could have changed it at any point in the last 5 yrs (I believe he's only ever signed one contract with us)

Thing is we were never going to have a situation where we had Salah, Firmino, Mane, VVD, Henderson and Wijnaldam all on 200k+ a week at 32/33 so I'm not surprised he's not getting the extension he wants and honestly I wouldn't be shocked if all the front 3 are on their last contracts with us or at least if turns out a couple of them are

[Elzar]

It's possible, but how we've set up in pre-season so far would seem to indicate that it's business as usual? If we were planning to change system would Klopp have given it a run out before the season starts?

It would be less of a formation change, and more like a tactical change. I think we play different when Keita is in the team, a bit more forward and able to work through the middle rather than going out wide as much as possible. With Gini out the team this is probably what we would go for, it would be a risk as it may be less controlled in a way, but sometimes that is what's needed to keep things unpredictable after 2 years of utter brilliance in this set up.

You'd hope a replacement would settle in to the role quickly though, as we would still require the control and discipline for the big matches, which we have plenty at the start of the season.

[Ratboy3G]

Positive talks held yesterday apparently, I really hope he signs a contract extension

[rossipersempre]

He's going to stay isn't he? The reported "positive talks" does suggest there's mutual intent to compromise and at that point, it's really just a matter of Jurgen giving him another massive post-4-0 embrace (20% hug, 80% headlock).

Followed by 24hrs later, we agree a deal with Bayern for you know who.

At that point, finally after 10 long bitter years, the "no no, Rafa wanted Xabi AND Gareth fucking Barry" fan club can officially cease to exist.

(*wishful thinking I know, especially on the last one )

[CraigDS]

You’d be surprised if the club softens it’s stance on the contract they are offering given this was made months ago by all accounts and they haven’t done so since then.

[rossipersempre]

You’d be surprised if the club softens it’s stance on the contract they are offering given this was made months ago by all accounts and they haven’t done so since then.

I'm not sure you grasp the concept of compromise. Things can change quickly. That's why lots of cases are settled on the court steps at lunchtime. I very much doubt the club adopted a "take it or leave it (and fuck off to Barcelona, look how that worked out for that Brazilian snake)" mentality.

[CraigDS]

I'm not sure you grasp the concept of compromise. Things can change quickly. That's why lots of cases are settled on the court steps at lunchtime. I very much doubt the club adopted a "take it or leave it (and fuck off to Barcelona, look how that worked out for that Brazilian snake)" mentality.

I grasp the concept quite fine, ta.

I just can’t see a compromise being done at this stage when it hasn’t been prior. Not from the club’s part anyway - wouldn’t be a great precedent for them to set to bow to pressure from someone running their contract down.

[fowlermagic]

Hopefully he will sign at least a 3 year deal with a possible extension as the lad deserves it. Not sure he has ever really received the praise from those outside liverpool, even still has to prove to us that he is one of the key ingredients as how often do I leave him out of my first 11 and likewise with many more fans.

Milner is making virtually double his wages and just signed a 2 year extension at nearly 34. While its not about money even we sometimes wonder how others are getting paid more when we at least are at a par in terms of performance. Then there is new lads that come in that still make more than you on Day 1 and you must wonder how that lad who is never fit or is in the stands is on 50k more than you a week. Its a strange old game and Gini knows unless you fight for yourself he wont get anywhere near what he deserves as no accountant will stand up and say heres the fat contract you want. Sometimes the business needs to take a backseat and acknowledge hard word should reap the reward. Unfortunately in today's corporate world employees get the last thank you and many a time never do.

[Yorkykopite]

At that point, finally after 10 long bitter years, the "no no, Rafa wanted Xabi AND Gareth fucking Barry" fan club can officially cease to exist.

I've almost forgiven Rafa for that. I wonder if he's forgiven himself though?  Career-defining error.

[JackWard33]

Hopefully he will sign at least a 3 year deal with a possible extension as the lad deserves it. Not sure he has ever really received the praise from those outside liverpool, even still has to prove to us that he is one of the key ingredients as how often do I leave him out of my first 11 and likewise with many more fans.

Milner is making virtually double his wages and just signed a 2 year extension at nearly 34. While its not about money even we sometimes wonder how others are getting paid more when we at least are at a par in terms of performance. Then there is new lads that come in that still make more than you on Day 1 and you must wonder how that lad who is never fit or is in the stands is on 50k more than you a week. Its a strange old game and Gini knows unless you fight for yourself he wont get anywhere near what he deserves as no accountant will stand up and say heres the fat contract you want. Sometimes the business needs to take a backseat and acknowledge hard word should reap the reward. Unfortunately in today's corporate world employees get the last thank you and many a time never do.

You don't get what you deserve in work or business - you get what you negotiate
The problem is he's at the stage in his career where he'll want to be paid based on how he's performed to this point not how he's likely to perform over the next 4 or so years.
It's a common problem in sports and the most successful clubs tend to let those later contracts happen on someone else's wage bill

[fowlermagic]

You don't get what you deserve in work or business - you get what you negotiate
The problem is he's at the stage in his career where he'll want to be paid based on how he's performed to this point not how he's likely to perform over the next 4 or so years.
It's a common problem in sports and the most successful clubs tend to let those later contracts happen on someone else's wage bill

So true as an owner will pay as little as he can. I suppose the number crunchers will decide the faith of every player and Gini can point to the overall revenue growing for the company sorry club from 300m to 550m during the past 4 years. Wages have jumped a little as well of course as now around 300m as in 2016 it was 200m. Does he have the negotiating skills to get a cut from the cake as all of his midfield peers at the club are on 20k - 60k a more a week.

[CraigDS]

So true as an owner will pay as little as he can. I suppose the number crunchers will decide the faith of every player and Gini can point to the overall revenue growing for the company sorry club from 300m to 550m during the past 4 years. Wages have jumped a little as well of course as now around 300m as in 2016 it was 200m. Does he have the negotiating skills to get a cut from the cake as all of his midfield peers at the club are on 20k - 60k a more a week.

From what has seemingly been reported the wage isn't the issue, it's length of contract.

[rossipersempre]

From what has seemingly been reported the wage isn't the issue, it's length of contract.

Amounts to the same thing though. ££££.

[classycarra]

At that point, finally after 10 long bitter years, the "no no, Rafa wanted Xabi AND Gareth fucking Barry" fan club can officially cease to exist.

It sounds like you still have some feelings to work through

Xabi had massively fallen out by this point with Rafa. He'd travelled to Inter away when his wife was about to give birth. Xabi wanted to play for a team that might win things, not be asset stripped.

Or you can keep on wishing a plague on the Benitez house, whatever helps you

[rossipersempre]

It sounds like you still have some feelings to work through

Xabi had massively fallen out by this point with Rafa. He'd travelled to Inter away when his wife was about to give birth. Xabi wanted to play for a team that might win things, not be asset stripped.

Or you can keep on wishing a plague on the Benitez house, whatever helps you

Nah as Yorky said, I've almost forgiven him, a career-defining error etc. Less painful now Xabi has retired admittedly. It is/was/ok remains my only beef with Rafa. Well, that and one other thing.

Still, you watch Klopp from this morning's presser, that teasing "cat who got the cream" Glomar response and you just know he's literally salivating at the thought of lining up Thiago alongside Wijnaldum and our other jewels. Aren't we all Jurgen, aren't we all.

Whoah whoah, we've (almost there, not quite yet) got the best midfield in the world....

[Clayton Bigsby]

Needs to stay. If he goes on a free so be it

[KirkVanHouten]

This guy is so solid and consistent, I can't remember the last time he had a bad game.

[killer-heels]

Needs to stay. If he goes on a free so be it

He is definitely staying now isn’t he?

[JC the Messiah]

Bloody hope so

[Kopenhagen]

We can't let him leave. He's vital to #20 as the squad is presently consituted.

Letting him leave next summer on a free suits all parties.

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Sensational in his role.

[muszka]

I'm so glad we decided no to sale Gini (there's no way he's going now) after getting Thiago. Because lo and behold we are already having small issues with injuries and Gini has played 270/270 mins in the league already.

Can we put a better midifled without him? Probably yes with everyone healthy, but with the way the season is shaping up there's a good chance he will be again our most played midfielder becasue he's just so reliable.

[Nick110581]

Imperious as usual.

Massively underrated by so many.

[rossipersempre]

Letting him leave next summer on a free suits all parties.

Does it fuck. Reaching a compromise over a new contract (which is what both parties actually want just can't yet agree on terms) during the course of this season, is what will "suit all parties".

[Red Cactii]

Hope this man signs a new deal, much loved character in this winning machine of ours.

[afc tukrish]

Hope this man signs a new deal, much loved character in this winning machine of ours.

What a great photo...

[harleydanger]

Man of the match, quintessential Dutch performance.

[jckliew]

Gini's engine can only be matched by Robbo's Scottish engine.

[newterp]

He was brilliant today.

[bravoco]

Fantastic player - love watching him and his energy in the final minutes of the game was unbelievable. Absolutely essential to the squad at the moment.

[God's Left Peg]

When Klopp held him back

[Adeemo]

I thought he was a real problem in the 1st half, constantly guilty of slowing the play down and looking for the simple pass. 2nd half though, he was a different animal, full of attacking momentum and very physical.

[rossipersempre]

Time for the club to blink first over new contract length. Needs sorting asap for obvious reasons.

[BarryCrocker]

I thought he was a real problem in the 1st half, constantly guilty of slowing the play down and looking for the simple pass. 2nd half though, he was a different animal, full of attacking momentum and very physical.

Got faster the longer the game went. Fantastic engine on him.

[JC the Messiah]

I thought he was a real problem in the 1st half, constantly guilty of slowing the play down and looking for the simple pass. 2nd half though, he was a different animal, full of attacking momentum and very physical.

Think the formation didn't work too well at all in the first half.