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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5560 on: April 6, 2021, 12:36:37 am »
Here’s a question following Jack’s post - When Henderson is back does he go in the defense alongside Kabak? Or are we living and dying with Kabak and Phillips.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5561 on: April 6, 2021, 01:56:49 am »
Here’s a question following Jack’s post - When Henderson is back does he go in the defense alongside Kabak? Or are we living and dying with Kabak and Phillips.

Be very interesting to see what happens with regards to this. Jurgen will have a massive call to make. Kabak and Nat seem to be playing well together the last few games and is it worth breaking that understanding up? Or do we need Hendo's leadership qualities and never say die spirit in the team? Tough call.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5562 on: April 6, 2021, 01:58:13 am »
Him and Thiago in the midfield is an absolute treat. Total domination with the ball.

Be really exciting to watch these two against Kroos and Modric. What a battle it will be.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5563 on: April 6, 2021, 10:24:48 am »
I know this is now received wisdom and is being repeated everywhere so its not about your post.... but its really being exaggerated at the moment
He's very good but when Henderson played as our 6 last season there wasn't a change in our perofmance levels - this is partly because Henderson still gets under rated as a 6 by almost everyone -but still we've been extremely successful without Fabinho in midfield

Think it goes back to the CL final of 2018. We couldn't get a hold of the game, and we got to that final from playing on the front. We got exposed in that final, Madrid had players in midfield who could slow it down, transition the ball quickly and were positional spot on. We were chasing shadows. We didn't have a Fabinho type player in the squad, and as you said, Henderson can do a good job but he's no Fab. The day after that final we bought Fabinho and we haven't looked back since. For me he adds that control in the middle of pitch which Gini, Henderson and Thiago can't bring to the table playing as a six.

I think we will see Henderson slot back into midfield, barring injuries.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5564 on: April 6, 2021, 11:45:51 am »
In terms of Fabinho, do people think we need to strengthen in his position to provide back up for him or is there someone if the squad we feel can do it? Personally for me we need a new back up that is solely a CDM, preferably with long legs like our Fab 😂

Who out there could come in and play back up to him?
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5565 on: April 6, 2021, 03:01:28 pm »
big match and performance from Stan tonight  :wave

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5566 on: April 6, 2021, 04:07:28 pm »
In terms of Fabinho, do people think we need to strengthen in his position to provide back up for him or is there someone if the squad we feel can do it? Personally for me we need a new back up that is solely a CDM, preferably with long legs like our Fab 😂

Who out there could come in and play back up to him?

Henderson. Or if we could get him on the pitch you’d imagine Naby would work well with Thiago in a double pivot. I’d be throwing money at a proper attacking mid given the choice. Or maybe that’s Bobby and we go all out for a top striker.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5567 on: April 6, 2021, 10:17:11 pm »
Thought he was very poor shielding the defence. That 3rd goal was very poor and he looked extremely leggy

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5568 on: April 6, 2021, 10:20:03 pm »
It was bizarre all round in the midfield, Keita on the right, rather than Gini for a bit more protection, Fabinho pressing as high as their box on a couple of occasions.

Was like an FA Cup thrown together midfield display.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5569 on: April 6, 2021, 10:24:43 pm »
That was the worst I've ever seen him play. Didn't break up play nearly as much as usual and played some terrible passes.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5570 on: April 15, 2021, 12:03:38 am »
Was I the only one watching the Madrid game thinking.. 'make this guy the highest paid player and give him a new contract'.

I honestly think he is incredible and if he were to leave we would seriously struggle to replace him. Even with oil money.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5571 on: April 24, 2021, 02:18:44 pm »
Best yellow card ever  ;D

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5572 on: April 24, 2021, 02:24:34 pm »
Play him in midfield FFS
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5573 on: April 24, 2021, 02:26:25 pm »
Play him in midfield FFS


clearly no other option good enough, or that the manager trusts to play in defence, people honestly think he does it for a laugh?




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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5574 on: April 24, 2021, 02:28:16 pm »

clearly no other option good enough, or that the manager trusts to play in defence, people honestly think he does it for a laugh?
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5575 on: April 24, 2021, 02:32:03 pm »
The CB situation is colossal mismanagement from the higher ups. Just unbelievably bad. And sticking Fabinho back there doesn’t work because we don’t have a 6 when we do. Ends up ruining defence and midfield.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5576 on: April 24, 2021, 03:20:26 pm »
He was trying to play both defense and midfield because Thiago was on his own. Managed to do a half decent job of what was an incredibly difficult task. Can't wait to have him back in midfield even if the season is effectively over.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5577 on: April 24, 2021, 03:56:59 pm »
Funny how the two games hes played in defence, weve drawn and when played in midfield before that, we were on our best run

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5578 on: April 24, 2021, 06:05:03 pm »
Funny how the two games hes played in defence, weve drawn and when played in midfield before that, we were on our best run

Came in to say the same. No coincidence. I think even Klopp himself said it in a post match interview after he was fucking excellent in a game in midfield. Losing our defence and midfield by that one change.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5579 on: April 24, 2021, 07:46:16 pm »
He'd be OK at CB if Hendo was in front of him, but without Hendo it's like we shot ourselves in both feet.

Brilliant yellow card though!
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5580 on: April 24, 2021, 09:57:54 pm »
It’s not a coincidence that we look so weak in midfield and defence without him actually shielding the back 4. Would rather we played Adrian at centre back if it meant keeping Fabinho in midfield. By playing him in the defence we weaken both our midfield who don’t have the ability to tackle and shield and the defence who lack the protection he offers. Was amazed the amount of chances Newcastle created today.

If he was in midfield the last 2 game, we probably come away from both with maximum point. Thought klopp had given up the experiment of gini shielding the back line.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5581 on: May 9, 2021, 06:33:16 pm »
So we recently won three games in a row with him as DM, then drew two games in a row against Newcastle and Leeds with him as a CD.

Returns to DM against Southampton and we’re back to winning ways.

Coincidence? Maybe but I’ll shows that you need to look lay your best players in their best positions.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5582 on: May 9, 2021, 06:40:44 pm »
Maybe but I’ll shows that you need to look lay your best players in their best positions.

Glorious typos, Funky... :D
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5583 on: May 9, 2021, 07:26:53 pm »
Glorious typos, Funky... :D
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5584 on: May 9, 2021, 07:36:37 pm »
So we recently won three games in a row with him as DM, then drew two games in a row against Newcastle and Leeds with him as a CD.

Returns to DM against Southampton and we’re back to winning ways.

Coincidence? Maybe but I’ll shows that you need to look lay your best players in their best positions.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5585 on: May 9, 2021, 07:41:45 pm »
It’s not a coincidence that we look so weak in midfield and defence without him actually shielding the back 4. Would rather we played Adrian at centre back if it meant keeping Fabinho in midfield. By playing him in the defence we weaken both our midfield who don’t have the ability to tackle and shield and the defence who lack the protection he offers. Was amazed the amount of chances Newcastle created today.

If he was in midfield the last 2 game, we probably come away from both with maximum point. Thought klopp had given up the experiment of gini shielding the back line.


Thin is Gini played amazing when we put him in defence  :o
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5586 on: May 9, 2021, 07:43:58 pm »
So we recently won three games in a row with him as DM, then drew two games in a row against Newcastle and Leeds with him as a CD.

Returns to DM against Southampton and we’re back to winning ways.

Coincidence? Maybe but I’ll shows that you need to look lay your best players in their best positions.

Most likely coincidence. Our midfield was pretty bad yesterday, and if not for Alisson we would have likely dropped points.

Ofcourse he is a top DM and an average CB, but we don't really have a choice against an attack like Uniteds when the alternative is Rhys Williams.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5587 on: May 9, 2021, 07:44:51 pm »
So we recently won three games in a row with him as DM, then drew two games in a row against Newcastle and Leeds with him as a CD.

Returns to DM against Southampton and we’re back to winning ways.

Coincidence? Maybe but I’ll shows that you need to look lay your best players in their best positions.

We miss him immensely in midfield, but I think Phillips was missed at the back in those games as well.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5588 on: May 9, 2021, 08:12:32 pm »
If Kabak is not fit for thursday, Fabinho will be nailed on to drop back into defence. With Milner and Keita out, probably means Jones slots back into midfield - or - Klopp throws a mad one and plays all four forwards. Did it away to City so might just give it a go
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« Reply #5589 on: May 9, 2021, 09:15:22 pm »
Glorious typos, Funky... :D
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5590 on: May 9, 2021, 09:17:16 pm »
Most likely coincidence. Our midfield was pretty bad yesterday, and if not for Alisson we would have likely dropped points.

Ofcourse he is a top DM and an average CB, but we don't really have a choice against an attack like Uniteds when the alternative is Rhys Williams.
Why would you blame the midfield for us conceding shots on goal? Personably I thought most of the chances we conceded were through Rhys Williams poor defending/positioning.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5591 on: May 14, 2021, 12:31:48 pm »
Should never start at cb again. Would rather play the ghost of Crazy Horse in defence if it means keeping Fab in midfield.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5592 on: May 14, 2021, 04:32:32 pm »
His role yesterday in protecting Rhys and Nat, who were both rightly praised for their performances, goes a bit unappreciated. It's unprovable and it's hindsight, but has we played with natural CBs earlier in the season when Hendo got injured, I think we'd have had 4th place wrapped up by now. I'd take Fabinho as a CB with Hendo in front ahead of Rhys-Nat though.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5593 on: May 14, 2021, 04:48:21 pm »
His role yesterday in protecting Rhys and Nat, who were both rightly praised for their performances, goes a bit unappreciated. It's unprovable and it's hindsight, but has we played with natural CBs earlier in the season when Hendo got injured, I think we'd have had 4th place wrapped up by now. I'd take Fabinho as a CB with Hendo in front ahead of Rhys-Nat though.
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Perhaps if we had thrown the 'natural CBs' in together from the start of the injury crisis, we 'd have conceded 4, 5 goals a game, ruined those players totally forever and had even more of a mare of a season than we actually have had.

Perhaps, just perhaps, Klopp knew what he was doing and the RAWK brains trust hadn't, in fact, seen something that he had missed...

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5594 on: May 14, 2021, 04:51:47 pm »
As I said, mate, unprovable and in hindsight. Just my feeling. That transition is not sharp and I thought there were several games we should have used Rhys, for example. Both Rhys and Nat have been with us training forever and know the style. Kabak was another story.
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« Reply #5595 on: May 14, 2021, 05:03:59 pm »
As I said, mate, unprovable and in hindsight. Just my feeling. That transition is not sharp and I thought there were several games we should have used Rhys, for example. Both Rhys and Nat have been with us training forever and know the style. Kabak was another story.
But knowing the style is one thing; being ready to suddenly drop in and create a functional partnership consiting entirely of inexperience, in some cases with no senior CB at all on the pitch is another. If Klopp had done that and the poor lads had been obliterated game after game we'd have still been without Virgil and Joe and Joel, but would now have young CBs with no confidence whatsoever.

The problem is that people see a game like last night, in the middle of May, and see that Nat and Rhys did very well away at the Old Trafford and immediately think they could have been that good right at the start. No, the reason why they were great last night is because they weren't thrown into the deep end alone and unprotected right at the start.

Everyone agrees that Fab being out of midfield was bad for the team. But some don't see that it was necessary to begin with. Often in life, and sport, you just have to go through the process, however painful it is at the time, to get the benefit later.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5596 on: May 14, 2021, 06:01:55 pm »
Klopp is great, but hes not an oracle. Evidently he thought that our defence needed Fabinho more than our midfield did, which is a very reasonable assumption looking at the respective levels of experience. I think he got it wrong though.

Ah well, we should just enjoy this glorious footballer. Arguably the most elegant midfielder ever.

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« Reply #5597 on: May 14, 2021, 06:09:03 pm »
Klopp is great, but hes not an oracle. Evidently he thought that our defence needed Fabinho more than our midfield did, which is a very reasonable assumption looking at the respective levels of experience. I think he got it wrong though.
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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5598 on: May 14, 2021, 06:16:26 pm »
What a player.

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Re: Fabinho
« Reply #5599 on: May 14, 2021, 06:19:13 pm »
Klopp is great, but hes not an oracle. Evidently he thought that our defence needed Fabinho more than our midfield did, which is a very reasonable assumption looking at the respective levels of experience. I think he got it wrong though.

Ah well, we should just enjoy this glorious footballer. Arguably the most elegant midfielder ever.

I know we all have a right to opinion and to criticise, but nope, not got a whole lot of time for fans saying a manager and coach like Jürgen Klopp ‘got it wrong’.

I guess you can say though there may be no right or wrong, we just have to look at the thread last night before the game, for the dread many had at the prospect of Williams playing vs the likes of Rashford and Cavani and wanting Fab in defence. I certainly did, until it dawned on me that half our midfielders where also injured.

He made tough choices in this most difficult of seasons, and we where not privy to all of what was going on in training to help him make those decisions on who to play or not, and where to play them.  We really have no idea as fans on the outside looking in.  Sure they all didn’t work, but there was no ‘wrong’ about it. Plus there’s games such as the one vs Madrid where Fabinho was poor, so it was never a case of him being in midfield was the cure-all, it was never that easy.  But yes, he’s a fantastic player, and hopefully next season these decisions won’t have to be made.