Author Topic: Nintendo Switch (was NX) (Read 120383 times)

gerrardisgod · « **on:** October 20, 2016, 11:07:05 am »

Officially unveiled in a trailer this afternoon, at 3pm. Still a lot of mystery surrounding it, though the consensus is that it's USP is that it's a portable console.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-10-20-nintendo-to-unveil-nx-this-afternoon

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-08-30-nintendo-nx-games-release-date-specs-price

Wii U was the first Ninty console I ever skipped, was really gutted about it, but it just felt like a slight upgrade on a console that was never really aimed towards me. So I'm really intrigued as to where they go with this, hoping they actually try to cater more for online gaming, seems like they've left themselves miles behind the trend in this regard. Which is ridiculous when you look at the potential in online for their first party titles alone. They really need to get major third party support though, that was one of the major flaws in the Wii U, sadly the Nintendo name isn't a console seller on it's own anymore.

CraigDS · « **Reply #1 on:** October 20, 2016, 11:23:00 am »

Quote from: gerrardisgod on October 20, 2016, 11:07:05 am

consensus is that it's USP is that it's a portable console.

How are other consoles not portable?

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #2 on:** October 20, 2016, 11:29:30 am »

Be interesting to see what it's like. Wii was fun for a little bit, it was different at the time. Wii U just didn't appeal to me and the rumour of this console doesn't either. I'm not interested in portable gaming anymore. I don't like mobile gaming.

Just give me good games I can play on my tele please Nintendo with a traditional controller and no gimmicks.

S · « **Reply #3 on:** October 20, 2016, 12:51:23 pm »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on October 20, 2016, 11:29:30 am

Just give me good games I can play on my tele please Nintendo with a traditional controller and no gimmicks.

This. I think Nintendo make better games than anybody.

However they're their own worst enemy by constantly trying to be different. There's such a thing as too much innovation. Sadly, I think the giant sales of the Wii have probably persuaded them to chase after the next groundbreaking moment.

Everyone stopped playing the Wii after getting bored of motion controls in the first couple of years. That's when I picked one up for cheap and played through Nintendo's own titles. Super Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess are near-perfect games, the only thing stopping them from being so is their motion controls. That's what annoys me about Nintendo. They get all the basics of gaming absolutely spot on, so everything is intuitive and fun to play. Then it's as if it's all too easy for them, so they have to handicap themselves by introducing some new gimmick.

The Wii-U seemed slightly more conventional than it's predecessor, but it hasn't got it's own version of Mario Galaxy or any trace of a Zelda adventure. Also it was probably the worst marketed mainstream console of all time by a gigantic distance. I've never actually seen one.

They have enough disciples not to care, but I really hope Nintendo can tempt me back into their world.

mattybeard · « **Reply #4 on:** October 20, 2016, 02:17:01 pm »

Debating getting a 3DS for Pokemon and some of the Zelda games I missed but I think I might wait and see how this NX announcement goes!

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 20, 2016, 03:43:08 pm »

The control design is a work of genius.

SamAteTheRedAcid · « **Reply #6 on:** October 20, 2016, 04:15:08 pm »

I'll be buying it as I love Nintendo games. Agree they can be their own worst enemy sometimes but I just love them.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #7 on:** October 20, 2016, 04:20:31 pm »

I'd of just been happy with it staying plugged into a TV. And whilst some will argue you can do entirely that, the experience has been compromised by making it portable. Like I said I have no interest in playing games on the move anymore.

I won't rule out not purchasing it, because there might be some really cool games for it but I just want the best Mario and other franchises Nintendo can give me in 2017, and I just feel the portability compromises that to an extent.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 20, 2016, 04:36:41 pm »

Quote from: Upinsmoke on October 20, 2016, 04:20:31 pm

I'd of just been happy with it staying plugged into a TV. And whilst some will argue you can do entirely that, the experience has been compromised by making it portable. Like I said I have no interest in playing games on the move anymore.

I won't rule out not purchasing it, because there might be some really cool games for it but I just want the best Mario and other franchises Nintendo can give me in 2017, and I just feel the portability compromises that to an extent.

Yeah, but you have to admit, it's a great option to have, plus that screen also acts as a controller for more dedicated console experiences.

SP · « **Reply #9 on:** October 20, 2016, 05:18:26 pm »

It means you can tell the kids to bugger off and play it out of earshot without have to move the whole console and the spaghetti wiring. That is a winner in my book.

But then I liked the Wii U.

Slick_Beef · « **Reply #10 on:** October 20, 2016, 05:21:29 pm »

Will probably get this as long as the price is reasonable. I still play the Wii, my daughter has just started to get interested in it. Zelda and mario games usually give me so many hours of fun that it's worth the price of the console just for that.

Disregarder · « **Reply #11 on:** October 20, 2016, 05:47:10 pm »

They have to get the launch titles right this time or they will be finished as a hardware company. I know details are slim at the moment but I sincerely hope that they are not going to rely on a load of upgraded and reissued games (Mario kart 8, Skyrim) as the video kind of suggests. One new Mario game is not enough and Breath of the Wild will also be on Wii U so not an exclusive. Fingers crossed for more surprises eg a new metroid.

The list of developers they have on board seems good but I think they had something similar announced for the Wii U before virtually everyone abandoned it.

It makes sense to try and combine their handheld and home console operations but this will not sell on the basis of a gimmick alone and as Upinsmoke said fans just want great Nintendo games.

paddysour · « **Reply #12 on:** October 20, 2016, 05:51:09 pm »

They just need to release a console styled Pokemon game. A Skyrim type RPG. Record sales in no time

damomad · « **Reply #13 on:** October 20, 2016, 06:08:45 pm »

Think they have absolutely nailed the design, really cool looking console and it's something you would leave the house with.

If they have a Mario and a Zelda for launch, it will be a huge hit. And cartridges are back

SamAteTheRedAcid · « **Reply #14 on:** October 20, 2016, 06:59:42 pm »

Quote from: SP on October 20, 2016, 05:18:26 pm

It means you can tell the kids to bugger off and play it out of earshot without have to move the whole console and the spaghetti wiring. That is a winner in my book.

But then I liked the Wii U.

Or in my case, the kids can watch their crap on the telly and I can still play Yoshi on the game pad. Love my Wii U, I don't have much time for gaming anymore but I do play more on my Wii U than the PS4, possibly because of the game pad and possibly because I just like it a bit more.

J-Mc- · « **Reply #15 on:** October 20, 2016, 07:38:45 pm »

Quote from: paddysour on October 20, 2016, 05:51:09 pm

They just need to release a console styled Pokemon game. A Skyrim type RPG. Record sales in no time

According to rumours, there IS going to be a Pokemon game for it.

Chalky Boots · « **Reply #16 on:** October 20, 2016, 09:55:58 pm »

I've been really meh with Nintendo's flagship consoles for the past 16 years but this might actually be them returning to form. They've got to get the titles right on this one. If they've got high end specs for this like has been mooted - basically not far from the big two - then I think the titles should really be top quality because innovation has never been an issue and nintendo has never relied on pure power to get people to play, but it's really been so far off Sony that they need something better.

If they get it right then I'll definitely be getting one, I haven't had a fixed nintendo (I know this is technically portable) since the 64 so fingers crossed because they're long overdue getting back into the big leagues.

y2w902 · « **Reply #17 on:** October 20, 2016, 10:09:45 pm »

Love it, will be buying at launch!

Schmidt · « **Reply #18 on:** October 21, 2016, 12:14:54 am »

Quote from: Chalky Boots on October 20, 2016, 09:55:58 pm

I've been really meh with Nintendo's flagship consoles for the past 16 years but this might actually be them returning to form. They've got to get the titles right on this one. If they've got high end specs for this like has been mooted - basically not far from the big two - then I think the titles should really be top quality because innovation has never been an issue and nintendo has never relied on pure power to get people to play, but it's really been so far off Sony that they need something better.

If they get it right then I'll definitely be getting one, I haven't had a fixed nintendo (I know this is technically portable) since the 64 so fingers crossed because they're long overdue getting back into the big leagues.

I was thinking the same, I haven't really been fussed since the GameCube but if this has a decent selection of titles, some form of backwards compatibility or a bunch of remasters and decent online play I might pick it up.

JongWK · « **Reply #19 on:** October 21, 2016, 04:00:53 am »

Quote from: paddysour on October 20, 2016, 05:51:09 pm

They just need to release a console styled Pokemon game. A Skyrim type RPG. Record sales in no time

Skyrim remastered is coming to it. The game and the publisher are in the announcement.

Upinsmoke · « **Reply #20 on:** October 21, 2016, 06:19:16 am »

Quote from: JongWK on October 21, 2016, 04:00:53 am

Skyrim remastered is coming to it. The game and the publisher are in the announcement.

They haven't confirmed Skyrim.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2016/10/20/13353270/nintendo-switch-skyrim-nba-2k17-not-confirmed

Kashinoda · « **Reply #21 on:** October 21, 2016, 07:14:21 am »

I sold my WiiU and PS4 so I'm currently without a console, I'm not usually hyped for Nintendo products but it's a day 1 purchase for me if:

The WiiU Pro Controllers are backwards compatible
There's backwards compatibility with WiiU titles, without a disc drive I'm guessing this needs to be digital or some sort of add-on.
A strong launch line-up for once
It's priced around £200 for the base model, though with the pound plummeting we'll be lucky if it's £1000.

Lfsea · « **Reply #22 on:** October 21, 2016, 09:07:13 am »

I'm fully on board with this.

Obviously they didn't design the Switch for me but they designed it for people like me. My life is busy as shit and most of my free time exists in the dead of night when I'm in bed or when I'm travelling. The Switch gives me the perfect combination of portability and power.

I have a daily portable gaming device - the GPD XD - which got close to satisfying my need for gaming on the move, but the Switch is almost certainly going to full scratch that itch.

I wouldn't personally worry about game and hardware announcements coming any time soon. Nintendo have their new Animal crossing game and probably the biggest fall/winter global gaming release in Pokemon Sun/Moon coming up and their focus will be on that and not wanting to dent any potential final surge in sales for the 3DS.

Nintendo will almost certainly not be repeating the issues that arose from the weak launch titles of the Wii U and I suspect that we'll be getting Skyrim, Mario Kart and obviously Zelda as well as half a dozen other strong AAA titles on launch.

Questions from me are:

Does the dock create a super console, or does that act more like a connectivity hub/charging cradle? Will it perhaps enable some incremental improvements - 60fps from dock, 30fps on the device.
This bastard better have 5+ hours battery.
No evidence yet that the screen is touch enabled - surely it will be?
Full HD or something battery friendly like 720?
Carts look to be (at least) double the thickness of 3DS carts - is this saying no backwards compatibility?
Feels like it might be a while 'til we see Wii U B/C - Tegra chips in the Switch are ARM architecture, Wii U was Power PC-based (as was the original Wii). Not a developer but I believe this makes porting old games relatively difficult and time-consuming.

Just so excited that Nintendo seem to have combined the things they're best at into one device.

As long as they launch the full package - Dock, pro-controller and game pad for £399 or less, I can see this being absolutely massive.

Zlen · « **Reply #23 on:** October 21, 2016, 09:57:58 am »

Any idea on how strong is the hardware?
Is that some version of 'Skyrim' on it or am I mistaken?

If it's 'Skyrim' then it's at least as strong as PS3 I guess.

Lfsea · « **Reply #24 on:** October 21, 2016, 10:03:19 am »

Quote from: Zlen on October 21, 2016, 09:57:58 am

Any idea on how strong is the hardware?
Is that some version of 'Skyrim' on it or am I mistaken?

If it's 'Skyrim' then it's at least as strong as PS3 I guess.

It is Skyrim.

Re: Specs - We won't know officially until January - Nintendo have already stated that. However, we can reasonably infer that the custom Tegra CPU it's using, will put its processing power somewhere between 60-odd% of a PS4 if it's based on the first iterations of the Tegra, but if it's the Tegra 2 then it could realistically be up in the realms of 90% of the CPU power of the PS4/XB1 which would be incredibly exciting.

Zlen · « **Reply #25 on:** October 21, 2016, 10:07:14 am »

Holy fuckarony!
That would be a mighty punch for a portable machine.

I'd be ok with a smooth 720P to be honest.
Love the idea, the battery life needs to be good but it looks like a rather inspired piece of work from Nintendo.

Lfsea · « **Reply #26 on:** October 21, 2016, 10:13:00 am »

Quote from: Zlen on October 21, 2016, 10:07:14 am

Holy fuckarony!
That would be a mighty punch for a portable machine.

I'd be ok with a smooth 720P to be honest.
Love the idea, the battery life needs to be good but it looks like a rather inspired piece of work from Nintendo.

There seems to be an underlying consensus amongst the games commentators and streamers I've watched since the announcement, that most people would sacrifice 1080p for high framerate and extended battery - I am one of them.

If they can get 720p, good locked frame rates, 5/6 hours battery life and relatively quick charging from USB (those last 2 statements are fairly contradictory, I appreciate) then it will be a wonder device in my eyes.

Zlen · « **Reply #27 on:** October 21, 2016, 10:16:34 am »

Agreed, that would be right on the money.
It may just be the first Nintendo console I buy since the 80's.

Haemoglobin · « **Reply #28 on:** October 21, 2016, 10:17:43 am »

Battery life will be absolutely crucial. If they get that right in a combo home/on-the-move console, it'll be a surefire success.

Being the most powerful gaming machine out there that comes with extreme portability built-in will mean a lot to people who like playing games everywhere they go (or that being the only time they get chance to), as long as it lasts for a good 6 hours or so years into heavy daily use, and on demanding games too. Extra battery packs will have to be ultra-convenient too not to seem like an added pain in the arse.

I'm obviously not buying one, as I can never permit Nintendo into the bosom of my home, and I'm only allowed to steal stuff from them. But I'm not gona be a hater on the concept and games, and I really do like that they are always trying something a bit different. I hardly play videogames when I'm out and about to be honest, so ultra-portability is not such a big factor for me in any case; I don't even bother with the games I have on my phone. I dig the innovative 'transformer' vibe though.

GiorgosCarraGoonies · « **Reply #29 on:** October 21, 2016, 10:45:21 am »

I haven't bought a Nintendo for many years but you know what, this is on the list. Looks boss. If its a bit weaker technically, I don't mind. I'll have the Xbox for that stuff. Just give me Mario/Zelda/Pokémon stuff with that portability.

Titi Camara · « **Reply #30 on:** October 21, 2016, 11:16:35 am »

Read a bit this morning and there are a few suggestions that it'll be about £300. At £200 I'd have bought it just for Zelda but at £300 it's going to be an expensive ornament for 360 days of the year!

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #31 on:** October 21, 2016, 11:17:07 am »

If this releases with that Mario game shown (which looks like a Mario 64 successor) Zelda BoTW and a Pokemon Go game, then Nintendo will clean house. This will absolutely fly off the shelves. We'll see Wii levels of sales with this, possibly bigger. Another big factor in this could be if 3d and DS games being instantly compatible.

I personally couldn't care about Pokemon, but if it's got those other two, plus a couple of other interesting other titles, I'm buying one on release. Z:BoTW already looks like it's got that classic all time great game that only Nintendo seem to provide stamped all over it.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #32 on:** October 21, 2016, 11:20:18 am »

Quote from: Titi Camara's Bald Head on October 21, 2016, 11:16:35 am

Read a bit this morning and there are a few suggestions that it'll be about £300. At £200 I'd have bought it just for Zelda but at £300 it's going to be an expensive ornament for 360 days of the year!

280-300 sounds about right. Especially for what it is. It's effectively doubling up on their handheld and home market. I can't see games being an issue for it.

Lfsea · « **Reply #33 on:** October 21, 2016, 11:26:28 am »

Quote from: Macphisto80 on October 21, 2016, 11:20:18 am

280-300 sounds about right. Especially for what it is. It's effectively doubling up on their handheld and home market. I can't see games being an issue for it.

Tesco accidentally put a pre-order up on their website earlier this morning and the list price was £350. Perhaps nothing to read in to, but GrandPooBear - a well respected streamer - also mentioned that there would be two prices - one higher tier price for the complete set - dock, pro controller and device and a lower price for the device only.

Macphisto80 · « **Reply #34 on:** October 21, 2016, 11:38:05 am »

Quote from: Lfsea on October 21, 2016, 11:26:28 am

Tesco accidentally put a pre-order up on their website earlier this morning and the list price was £350. Perhaps nothing to read in to, but GrandPooBear - a well respected streamer - also mentioned that there would be two prices - one higher tier price for the complete set - dock, pro controller and device and a lower price for the device only.

Surely the dock is some kind of symbiotic linked hardware? Once the portable is docked, it combines its shared resources into a home system. I can't see it just being used for a power charging station, and all the processing power contained solely in the portable unit. If it is, then that's a seriously powerful portable. I reckon if there are two bundles, then one will be for the console and the base unit, and the other just for the portable. That would defeat the purpose of the concept, though.

Lfsea · « **Reply #35 on:** October 21, 2016, 11:50:16 am »

Quote from: Macphisto80 on October 21, 2016, 11:38:05 am

Surely the dock is some kind of symbiotic linked hardware? Once the portable is docked, it combines its shared resources into a home system. I can't see it just being used for a power charging station, and all the processing power contained solely in the portable unit. If it is, then that's a seriously powerful portable. I reckon if there are two bundles, then one will be for the console and the base unit, and the other just for the portable. That would defeat the purpose of the concept, though.

Sorry - was a bit vague there. He was suggesting that's what you'd get with the bigger package rather than what he'd heard about the bigger package; my bad.

That's definitely the key question for me - whether the dock is a fundamental for the console, or whether it acts like a boost to performance.

sminp · « **Reply #36 on:** October 21, 2016, 11:53:32 am »

How they price this will be the key to its success. You can get a PS4 for £250 so charging much more than that and I think they'll struggle. I know it has the added advantage of being handheld but I think many people would struggle to justify the extra cost over a PS4/xBox.

PhilV · « **Reply #37 on:** October 21, 2016, 12:34:07 pm »

That "look" raises more questions than anything.

So this seems to mean Nintendo don't plan to compete with Sony or Microsoft going forward, at least power wise.

Who are they appealing for/is there any original titles, I dunno how long a company can last on a main console market with just rehash games of Mario/Mario Kart and Legend of Zelda :-/

How long is the battery, that's a big screen, when you cater in the screen battery drain plus processing power etc added into that I can't imagine it will lats more than 3/4 hours max unless it's got the most kickass battery

Having said all of the above, if it has a good battery life (about 5 hours or more) and decent power this could be seriously popular as in on the same level as the original Wii was in bringing the non-gamers into the console market, this on an airplane trip for example would be heavenly! Imagine how fast a trip would go when you're exploring the world in the new Zelda title or playing Skyrim!

BER · « **Reply #38 on:** October 21, 2016, 01:07:20 pm »

Looks really cool and i'll get one if it's not crazy expensive. Now that i think of it, the one thing that has stopped me doing any real gaming on a tablet has been the lack of a controller, proper games.

Could be very popular with the "hardcore". And kids are crazy for gaming on tablets so who knows.

SamAteTheRedAcid · « **Reply #39 on:** October 21, 2016, 01:14:36 pm »

Quote from: BER on October 21, 2016, 01:07:20 pm

Could be very popular with the "hardcore".

I guess as someone who has owned most Nintendo consoles, that's me. I'll be getting one for sure. Maybe not right at launch. Maybe though

Not too arsed about taking it out of the house, but the ability to play off TV has been fantastic with the Wii U and this will be the same but better.