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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #680 on: April 27, 2021, 06:45:21 pm »
Podcasts. Just listen to proper radio you scruffs.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #681 on: April 27, 2021, 07:21:23 pm »
Podcasts. Just listen to proper radio you scruffs.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #682 on: April 28, 2021, 12:26:11 pm »
the great escape

it wasn't that great and most of them never escaped  *sorry for the spoiler*

the germans in that camp 'stalag butlins' where all alright fellas - so why escape? regular meals and warm beds it was like mein holiday kampf

i would've been tunnelling to get IN there

and why oh why would they employ a tunnel guy who has a fear of enclosed spaces?

and then who do they employ to do the intricate job of making the forgeries? a partially-sighted guy who ended up going blind

the wheels were coming off - just like the tunnel train trollies - right from the start

a lot of them should have been shot for making such a cock-up of that escape - oh yeh they were, sorry about that  :wave

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #683 on: April 29, 2021, 01:24:24 pm »
Fight Club. Watched it a few weeks ago for the first time. A pseudo intellectual, pornographically violent incel recruitment film (yes I’m aware it’s supposed to be a warning against that kind of thing, but I don’t think the average viewer sees that based on how people talk about it).

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #684 on: April 29, 2021, 02:14:55 pm »
Fight Club. Watched it a few weeks ago for the first time. A pseudo intellectual, pornographically violent incel recruitment film (yes I’m aware it’s supposed to be a warning against that kind of thing, but I don’t think the average viewer sees that based on how people talk about it).

Should how (some) people misinterpret a film's meaning/message affect how we judge the film itself? Not necessarily about this film itself but in general

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #685 on: April 29, 2021, 02:16:30 pm »
taxi driver

now before you lot get all hot and bothered - i really am a fan of the film BUT...

the ending *spoiler alert* is just too god-dammed nice

and this after dragging our naive souls through the lice-ridden underbelly of life on the other side of the tracks - no, i want a miserable ending!

it's definitely a nod to film noir but the ending is weak


Hard to talk about it without giving away spoilers, but you might want to reconsider that ending.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #686 on: April 29, 2021, 03:36:09 pm »

Hard to talk about it without giving away spoilers, but you might want to reconsider that ending.

i've discussed the ending on here

critics and fans say 'is it a dream' 'is it his dying visions' 'is it a lie' 'how can we watch a psychopath getting away with it' 'how can a moralistic society accept such a warped person - and with that acceptance does travis become more delusional' 'does he see himself as heroic therefore adopting a messianic role' 'how does his life unfold without someone to look out for him' 'we want to continue our journey with travis because his story is not over'

it's all open to interpretation and ambiguity, which in itself is satisfying as we can addendum our own outcome

for me - he should have died and that would have left me feeling a confused sadness as i think he could have been saved but i would have to ask myself why would i want to save him?


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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #687 on: April 29, 2021, 04:38:43 pm »
The fact you’re asking questions about the ending means it worked in my opinion.  Personally I enjoy films that don’t give a definitive answer, Taxi Driver does that.

In a world where Citizen Kane is lauded as the best film ever, I actually think Taxi Driver is underrated.  It’s Scorsese’s best film and sits comfortably in the top three 70s films alongside The Conversation and The Long Goodbye…in my opinion.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #688 on: April 29, 2021, 04:57:26 pm »
Should how (some) people misinterpret a film's meaning/message affect how we judge the film itself? Not necessarily about this film itself but in general

No, not necessarily mate, but with regard to Fight Club, for me I think the way it’s shot and directed (very stylised), the narrative where the Tyler Durden character could be perceived as a ‘cool’ guy with the expensive clothes, not a ‘slave to the system’, gets what he wants, doesn’t worry, doesn’t need to work to make money, I thought it was quite dangerous and could lend itself to the film being a dog whistle to glamourise extreme behaviour to certain vulnerable/impressionable young men. I think you have to look quite hard to see the warning. It’s just not very well done (the message) in my view. The ending was awful too.

I think Joker did that type of thing far better, there’s no room for interpretation with that character and the message/warning was clear.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #689 on: April 29, 2021, 05:13:48 pm »
The fact you’re asking questions about the ending means it worked in my opinion.  Personally I enjoy films that don’t give a definitive answer, Taxi Driver does that.

In a world where Citizen Kane is lauded as the best film ever, I actually think Taxi Driver is underrated.  It’s Scorsese’s best film and sits comfortably in the top three 70s films alongside The Conversation and The Long Goodbye…in my opinion.

fair enough - i guess the final scene of travis looking into the mirror does (if it is not a dream or misleading sequence with neither of those scenarios being completely dismissed by scorsese) tell us that possibly nothing has changed within his character

but i still want an end  :wave

hey but the long goodbye - man could elliot gould act even though many didn't enjoy his interpretation - i thought his early work (especially) was top

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getting back to taxi driver - i have to admit that when i see scallies and criminals i always say to myself 'someday a rain will come and wash all you scum from the streets' (slightly paraphrased obviously)
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #690 on: April 29, 2021, 05:46:53 pm »
i've discussed the ending on here

critics and fans say 'is it a dream' 'is it his dying visions' 'is it a lie' 'how can we watch a psychopath getting away with it' 'how can a moralistic society accept such a warped person - and with that acceptance does travis become more delusional' 'does he see himself as heroic therefore adopting a messianic role' 'how does his life unfold without someone to look out for him' 'we want to continue our journey with travis because his story is not over'

it's all open to interpretation and ambiguity, which in itself is satisfying as we can addendum our own outcome

for me - he should have died and that would have left me feeling a confused sadness as i think he could have been saved but i would have to ask myself why would i want to save him?




Yeah only saw the responses after I posted, sorry. I disagree with your viewpoint but fair enough if you see it that way. I'd just say that absolutely nothing has changed within his character at the end, that's part of the message of the film.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #691 on: May 4, 2021, 09:32:21 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #692 on: May 9, 2021, 11:49:55 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #693 on: May 11, 2021, 12:34:36 am »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #694 on: May 20, 2021, 02:31:21 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #695 on: May 20, 2021, 02:41:03 pm »
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #696 on: May 20, 2021, 02:55:23 pm »
Demi Lovato. She is everywhere in the mdeia these days. Out of shape, unattractive,....


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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #697 on: May 20, 2021, 03:07:29 pm »
Anyway, if you want overrated, then it’s David Bowie.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #698 on: May 20, 2021, 03:10:26 pm »
Demi Lovato. She is everywhere in the mdeia these days. Out of shape, unattractive,....

Assume you'd apply the same standards to out of shape, unattractive men in the media?  Or does it just apply to women?
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« Reply #699 on: May 20, 2021, 04:32:13 pm »
Assume you'd apply the same standards to out of shape, unattractive men in the media?  Or does it just apply to women?
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #700 on: May 20, 2021, 04:38:38 pm »
Assume you'd apply the same standards to out of shape, unattractive men in the media?  Or does it just apply to women?

Thankfully I’m not in the media.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #701 on: May 20, 2021, 04:40:18 pm »
Thankfully I’m not in the media.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #703 on: May 20, 2021, 05:23:50 pm »
Anyway, if you want overrated, then it’s David Bowie.

Underrated artist who deserves similar acclaim? Probably Kate Bush.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #704 on: May 20, 2021, 05:26:11 pm »
Demi Lovato. She is everywhere in the mdeia these days. Out of shape, unattractive,....

Should she only be in the media if she's in shape and attractive?
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #705 on: May 20, 2021, 06:28:52 pm »

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #706 on: May 20, 2021, 06:33:56 pm »
Should she only be in the media if she's in shape and attractive?

Yes - only fit beautiful people should be in the media, ugly unfit fuckers should stay in their rooms and eat pizza.
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« Reply #707 on: May 20, 2021, 09:30:58 pm »
When a celebrity wants to be back in the media glare.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #708 on: May 21, 2021, 08:55:50 am »
Appreciated this may be controversial, but Daniel Craig’s Bond. My least favourite. Too many of his films feel the same (retired/left the service, comes back, then goes rogue). I think he’s too po faced and serious, they don’t even feel like Bond films half the time, no gadgets, little humour, he looks like a doorman in a 5 grand suit. And it does my head in how they had to make them into a linked series, to the point where they made Blofeld his half brother in the last one, who’d masterminded everything in the previous three films? Not having that.

I think they tried to move away from the silliness of invisible cars, but ended up making British Jason Bourne films, they lost some of the things people look for in Bond films. I think Mission Impossible is a lot more entertaining in comparison, and more like watching Bond really, an adventure, loads of stunts etc, without taking itself too seriously.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #709 on: May 21, 2021, 11:22:27 am »
^ nah bond is good until you turn 13 then you've grown out of it

all 'action' movies are transient superficial amusement not meant to test the cerebral qualities of their audience

in saying that...

i really enjoy that throw-away aspect to some of them like the original terminator for one, as all the sequels - including number 2 with that annoying kid - have been of poorer quality only relying upon special effects (though very good special effects)

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #710 on: May 21, 2021, 11:25:23 am »
^ nah bond is good until you turn 13 then you've grown out of it

all 'action' movies are transient superficial amusement not meant to test the cerebral qualities of their audience

in saying that...

i really enjoy that throw-away aspect to some of them like the original terminator for one, as all the sequels - including number 2 with that annoying kid - have been of poorer quality only relying upon special effects (though very good special effects)

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #711 on: May 21, 2021, 11:37:30 am »
Appreciated this may be controversial, but Daniel Craig’s Bond. My least favourite. Too many of his films feel the same (retired/left the service, comes back, then goes rogue). I think he’s too po faced and serious, they don’t even feel like Bond films half the time, no gadgets, little humour, he looks like a doorman in a 5 grand suit. And it does my head in how they had to make them into a linked series, to the point where they made Blofeld his half brother in the last one, who’d masterminded everything in the previous three films? Not having that.

I think they tried to move away from the silliness of invisible cars, but ended up making British Jason Bourne films, they lost some of the things people look for in Bond films. I think Mission Impossible is a lot more entertaining in comparison, and more like watching Bond really, an adventure, loads of stunts etc, without taking itself too seriously.

(If there’s a rocket powered gondola in No Time To Die I may reappraise the whole thing. I’m off to get some Sunny Delight).
I agree with pretty much all of this, except for him being the worst Bond, which will always be Lazenby. He comes off like a grim bouncer who hates the idea of killing people or sleeping with beautiful women. What's the point of that?

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #712 on: May 21, 2021, 12:13:48 pm »
I think Mission Impossible is a lot more entertaining in comparison, and more like watching Bond really, an adventure, loads of stunts etc, without taking itself too seriously.

Yep, Mission Impossible is contemporary Bond for me....if the most recent installment, the terrific Fallout had been a Bond film it would be hailed as the best since Connery...action-spy-movie heaven
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« Reply #713 on: May 23, 2021, 12:58:11 am »
Paul Weller has arguably done more to harm British music than anyone this side of Simon Cowell. Perennially parochial, always looking backwards while his contemporaries were breaking boundaries and looking to do something new. Burton suits, they think it's funny, turning rebellion into money.

Precious is great though, as were the first Oasis album and the Stone Roses before they went all Led Zep.
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« Reply #714 on: May 23, 2021, 01:39:23 am »
The Jam looked back to mod, the Style Council to northern soul and solo Weller to folk and then blues rock. Is that even remotely controversial? Unless you want to pull up The Cost of Loving, which was and is an embarrassment. Look at what his contemporaries were doing at the same time and tell me he was forward looking.

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« Reply #715 on: May 23, 2021, 10:16:05 am »
The Jam looked back to mod, the Style Council to northern soul and solo Weller to folk and then blues rock. Is that even remotely controversial? Unless you want to pull up The Cost of Loving, which was and is an embarrassment. Look at what his contemporaries were doing at the same time and tell me he was forward looking.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #716 on: May 23, 2021, 12:51:18 pm »
Has it been said here before? But definitely Radiohead.

They do have good albums and good songs. They are objectively a good band.

But the groundbreaking pioneers they are hailed as? Nah, self-indulgent at worst and besides, their most 'groundbreaking' album Kid A just rips off Aphex Twin who's genuinely innovative and much much better. So not having that. And it's all just white middle class self-pitying lyrics, so no wonder they're massive in this country. Definitely need to be taken down a peg or two. Radiohead is the act that symbolises the self-importance and overhyped nature of the white middle class in the UK. For 90s bands, they're certainly no Nirvana who were raw in their emotions and spontaneous in their music.

For all the 90s British bands, I also much prefer apparently more unsophisticated acts like Oasis. Dodgy lyrics, a ripped off melody here and there, but there's no pretensions with their music and there's catchy tunes, emotive melodies - what you see is what you get. More honest and sincere than Radiohead.

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« Reply #717 on: May 23, 2021, 01:09:09 pm »
Has it been said here before? But definitely Radiohead.

They do have good albums and good songs. They are objectively a good band.

But the groundbreaking pioneers they are hailed as? Nah, self-indulgent at worst and besides, their most 'groundbreaking' album Kid A just rips off Aphex Twin who's genuinely innovative and much much better. So not having that. And it's all just white middle class self-pitying lyrics, so no wonder they're massive in this country. Definitely need to be taken down a peg or two. Radiohead is the act that symbolises the self-importance and overhyped nature of the white middle class in the UK. For 90s bands, they're certainly no Nirvana who were raw in their emotions and spontaneous in their music.

For all the 90s British bands, I also much prefer apparently more unsophisticated acts like Oasis. Dodgy lyrics, a ripped off melody here and there, but there's no pretensions with their music and there's catchy tunes, emotive melodies - what you see is what you get. More honest and sincere than Radiohead.

So its not ok for Radiohead to supposedly rip-off Aphex Twin but brilliant for Oasis to blatantly copy The Beatles?

The reason Oasis don't get back togethers is because they're a cover band.
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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #718 on: May 23, 2021, 02:33:06 pm »
So its not ok for Radiohead to supposedly rip-off Aphex Twin but brilliant for Oasis to blatantly copy The Beatles?

The reason Oasis don't get back togethers is because they're a cover band.

Difference between Oasis and Radiohead is that Oasis don't try to present it as something new, take it or leave it (a big chunk of it is leave it).

But listen to an interview with Thom Yorke and you will almost become ill with his self-reverential tones. An utter bore. Aphex Twin totally has their number considering he despises the band.

Thought Patrice O Neal got them spot on with this pisstake. Couldn't agree more.

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Re: Overrated?
« Reply #719 on: May 23, 2021, 02:42:35 pm »
the great escape

it wasn't that great and most of them never escaped  *sorry for the spoiler*

the germans in that camp 'stalag butlins' where all alright fellas - so why escape? regular meals and warm beds it was like mein holiday kampf

i would've been tunnelling to get IN there

and why oh why would they employ a tunnel guy who has a fear of enclosed spaces?

and then who do they employ to do the intricate job of making the forgeries? a partially-sighted guy who ended up going blind

the wheels were coming off - just like the tunnel train trollies - right from the start

a lot of them should have been shot for making such a cock-up of that escape - oh yeh they were, sorry about that  :wave



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