Topic: Formula 1 2022: The return of ground effect(s)

[El Lobo]

You’d hope winning his first title would mature him but sadly it doesn’t seem like it has so far, nor his Red Bull team

[Darren G]

Wow

https://twitter.com/F1_Jordan/status/1491184614345707520?s=20&t=vJXIHYGCEwwEU-RJI5MvfA


How can anyone take Max as the champion seriously.

Maybe because he won more races, led more laps, got more poles etcetera over the course of the season than did Lewis.  Or perhaps because even if the correct procedure at the final race (allowing all lapped cars past at the first opportunity) had been followed then the result would have been the same.  Let's not forget either that it was Toto Wolff who was one of the head cheerleaders in not wanting any races to finish under the safety car.  Time to dry those tears and move on lads. 

[Funky_Gibbons]

Imagine actually typing the words 'won more races' without a fucking massive asterisk next to Spa and Abu Dhabi.

Two manufactured results seem to qualify Verstappen* as being a deserved champion 

[Darren G]

Imagine actually typing the words 'won more races' without a fucking massive asterisk next to Spa and Abu Dhabi.

Two manufactured results seem to qualify Verstappen* as being a deserved champion 

As I said, Max wins Abu Dhabi if the correct proceedure had been followed, so yeah, he won more races.  I also didn't say that two wins alone made him a worthy champion. Regardless, at the end of the day your little asterisks mean fuck-all.  It's brilliant that you're still crying into your beer over it though.

[El Lobo]

Imagine actually typing the words 'won more races' without a fucking massive asterisk next to Spa and Abu Dhabi.

Two manufactured results seem to qualify Verstappen* as being a deserved champion 

What is noticeable is all the clever chappies talking about 'drying your tears and moving on' are Ferrari fans who witnessed the second most tainted drivers title (after last season) when Schuey drove Damon Hill off the track in Adelaide. So its not hugely surprising.

Also noticeable how toxic the atmosphere becomes in this thread as soon as a certain cheeky chappy starts posting again

So probs best to leave it there mate, don't nibble at his bait.

[Funky_Gibbons]

As I said, Max wins Abu Dhabi if the correct proceedure had been followed, so yeah, he won more races.  I also didn't say that two wins alone made him a worthy champion. Regardless, at the end of the day your little asterisks mean fuck-all.  It's brilliant that you're still crying into your beer over it though.

Unfortunately I don't own a crystal ball so I can't disagree whether Verststappen* would have won the race even if proper procedure had been followed.

But I can console myself with Hamilton still winning 7 world titles fairly and honestly, being the GOAT, and all the gammons of this world can celebrate is a tainted championship that everyone knows was undeserved.

[Darren G]

Unfortunately I don't own a crystal ball so I can't disagree whether Verststappen* would have won the race even if proper procedure had been followed.

But I can console myself with Hamilton still winning 7 world titles fairly and honestly, being the GOAT, and all the gammons of this world can celebrate is a tainted championship that everyone knows was undeserved.

......and yet you still feel the need to drone on incessantly about how undeserved Max championship is and put a little asterisk next to his name every time you write it.

[paulrazor]

What is noticeable is all the clever chappies talking about 'drying your tears and moving on' are Ferrari fans who witnessed the second most tainted drivers title (after last season) when Schuey drove Damon Hill off the track in Adelaide. So its not hugely surprising.

Also noticeable how toxic the atmosphere becomes in this thread as soon as a certain cheeky chappy starts posting again

So probs best to leave it there mate, don't nibble at his bait.

To be fair Schumacher was driving for Benetton then.

......and yet you still feel the need to drone on incessantly about how undeserved Max championship is and put a little asterisk next to his name every time you write it.

yep its 2022

shit way it ended last season because of Masi but move on

of course i am sure we will have plenty of name calling again this year

[Funky_Gibbons]

......and yet you still feel the need to drone on incessantly about how undeserved Max championship is and put a little asterisk next to his name every time you write it.

What qualifies as 'droning on incessantly'?

That was my first post in this thread...........

BTW, Verstappen*

[El Lobo]

To be fair Schumacher was driving for Benetton then.

He sure was, but he's a Ferrari icon.

But of course you're right, its 2022, Max* is champion and its not about to change and it'll be interesting to see who starts off as favourite

[Graeme]

Senna and Schumacher were both guilty of some of the biggest shithouse driving antics in the history of the sport, but there's no asterisk next to any of their titles

[voodoo ray]

the asterisking is pretty pathetic to be fair. evertonian as fuck.

[Darren G]

To be fair Schumacher was driving for Benetton then.
 yep its 2022

shit way it ended last season because of Masi but move on

of course i am sure we will have plenty of name calling again this year

I mean, yeah there is that....as well as the fact that I'm not a Ferrari fan.  Other than that it was a brilliant point.

[El Lobo]

*shrugs*

No different to me to calling Man City 'Abu Dhabi FC' in my opinion. It is what it is, its what they are, its what his title is. Maybe that changes as the season goes on and it disappears a bit further into the distance but for now the last race and last drivers championship was still literally manipulated for him to win. So the asterisk is absolutely valid (IMO).

[Dull Tools]

Senna and Schumacher were both guilty of some of the biggest shithouse driving antics in the history of the sport, but there's no asterisk next to any of their titles

To be fair, I don't think any of this is Verstappen*'s fault. Horner and Masi are to blame. Aswell as the FIA for the debacle at Spa.

[IgorBobbins]

Has there been a more underwhelming car reveal than Red Bull’s yesterday?  The same livery they’ve used for the past 8 years on a digital render of a car that’ll look completely different by the time it gets to testing.

(This isn’t a dig at Red Bull - all the car launches are going to be dull if they’re not really revealing anything other than a slightly new lick of paint.  Or maybe it’s always been this way and I just haven’t noticed until now  )

[iamnant]

the asterisking is pretty pathetic to be fair. evertonian as fuck.

There's a lot of Evertonian behaviour from some Hamilton fans in here. It's exhaustingly pathetic.

[scatman]

There's a lot of Evertonian behaviour from some Hamilton fans in here. It's exhaustingly pathetic.

Its Evertonian of you to even suggest that Everton would ever get close to winning any title and have the chance to be conned out of it. But look mate, some of us like our sports to have integrity, you don't that's fine, maybe you're better off at home in the WWE thread.

[El Lobo]

The Evertonian jibes when discussing an actual title are exhaustingly pathetic.

[Darren G]

Has there been a more underwhelming car reveal than Red Bull’s yesterday?  The same livery they’ve used for the past 8 years on a digital render of a car that’ll look completely different by the time it gets to testing.

(This isn’t a dig at Red Bull - all the car launches are going to be dull if they’re not really revealing anything other than a slightly new lick of paint.  Or maybe it’s always been this way and I just haven’t noticed until now  )

From what I understand, Red Bull are hiding their design, which isn't massively surprising I suppose given the vast changes in the regs this year.  Ferrari and Mercedes are apparently going to unveil a 'genuine car', but I'm sure that they'll hide stuff too. 

[scatman]

From what I understand, Red Bull are hiding their design, which isn't massively surprising I suppose given the vast changes in the regs this year.  Ferrari and Mercedes are apparently going to unveil a 'genuine car', but I'm sure that they'll hide stuff too. 

they'll all be hiding stuff, we'll find out at the second race that someone has some new invention of course. Just like every year

[west_london_red]

Aren’t the most significant changes on the underside of cars, so won’t be visible to us anyway?

[iamnant]

Its Evertonian of you to even suggest that Everton would ever get close to winning any title and have the chance to be conned out of it. But look mate, some of us like our sports to have integrity, you don't that's fine, maybe you're better off at home in the WWE thread.

Christ that's an amazing way of missing my point entirely. Congratulations, but at least you tried to have a swipe.

[Tesco tearaway]

Christ that's an amazing way of missing my point entirely. Congratulations, but at least you tried to have a swipe.

What is your point?

[Skeeve]

What is your point?

They don't have one, hence them trying to attack the poster with that evertonian label rather than actually trying to refute the point that poster made.

[bradders1011]

New Aston, the first proper car shown. Looks much pointier than anticipated.

[voodoo ray]

vettel really does have considerably more hair than last year.

[naYoRHa2b]

I like the AMR22. In general I think these cars will look much nicer

[Graeme]

Went backwards last year Aston Martin

[CowboyKangaroo]

To be fair, I don't think any of this is Verstappen*'s fault. Horner and Masi are to blame. Aswell as the FIA for the debacle at Spa.

It would probably be a lot easier for everyone to stomach if it were Verstappen's fault. Dirty driving not being punished is not that unusual in F1, and there aren't many angels in the sport. Fixing the outcome of a championship deciding race (whether it was the primary goal or not - it was a necessary by product of the goal) by breaking the rules is, and much harder to forget. It fundamentally undermines the sport in a profound and radical way.

[iamnant]

They don't have one, hence them trying to attack the poster with that evertonian label rather than actually trying to refute the point that poster made.

They? I'm a single person who's exhausted with so many in here acting like petty children. And I'm not the only one it seems. No where else have I seen the events discussed like on this forum by some (thankfully a minority) and every one else I've seen who supports Hamilton could chat reasonably about the event.

[Skeeve]

They? I'm a single person

Obviously, they as the generic option to not assume he/she.

[Tesco tearaway]

They? I'm a single person who's exhausted with so many in here acting like petty children. And I'm not the only one it seems. No where else have I seen the events discussed like on this forum by some (thankfully a minority) and every one else I've seen who supports Hamilton could chat reasonably about the event.

So you're exhausted by people who are pissed off over such a blatant sporting travesty; and call people Evertonians over it?
You must have been on oxygen over Ramos then; I believe we were all 'Evertonians' about that 
All except you hey?

[scatman]

no no he was chatting 'reasonably' about the event by calling us Evertonians

I mean Vettel and Stroll have basically come out and said exactly the same shit we've been saying here.

[iamnant]

Nope. We're all (apart from Max and Red Bull fans I'd imagine!) pissed off about the championship basically being decided by Masi like it was -- but Hamilton fans asking for an asteriks next his title, acting as if Verstappen wasn't neck and neck with Hamilton through the whole season saying and acting like complete toddlers about it is exhausting when I'm trying to read people's opinions on an open forum.

Vettel and Stroll have said what I felt about it as well. But no other Hamilton fans are acting like absolute melts about it like some of you are, and your replies just further prove my point.

[TepidT2O]

Seems to me that both Max and Hamilton were worthy winners last year.  That it came to Max was in the end down to luck. And that wasn’t just that in the last race. It goes across the course of a season.

The rule change at the start of last season stuffed Mercedes’ somewhat, they did really well to catch up given that, and were certainly a wee bit unlucky at the end.
Of course I’d be fucking raging if I were Hamilton, I really would be, but it wasn’t Max’s fault, and Hamilton was magnanimous in the bitterest of defeats.

That kind of mistake must never happen again, but far worse has happened in F1, and I remoter when Senna was banned for re entering the track inthe wrong fashion which was an insanely harsh punishment (mostly for not being french).  F1 has always been screwed up, it’s what makes it so fun, there’s more than a little WWE about it.

[Tesco tearaway]

Nope. We're all (apart from Max and Red Bull fans I'd imagine!) pissed off about the championship basically being decided by Masi like it was -- but Hamilton fans asking for an asteriks next his title, acting as if Verstappen wasn't neck and neck with Hamilton through the whole season saying and acting like complete toddlers about it is exhausting when I'm trying to read people's opinions on an open forum.

Vettel and Stroll have said what I felt about it as well. But no other Hamilton fans are acting like absolute melts about it like some of you are, and your replies just further prove my point.

I can understand the * calls about Verstappens 'victory'; it was a travesty and should have an * next to it.
I've looked around a couple of F1 forums, and the same things that are getting said on here, are also getting said on there.
So if we're 'petty children' and 'exhaustingly pathetic' maybe you are need to ask yourself "Am I the baddy here?" 

[iamnant]

I can understand the * calls about Verstappens 'victory'; it was a travesty and should have an * next to it.
I've looked around a couple of F1 forums, and the same things that are getting said on here, are also getting said on there.
So if we're 'petty children' and 'exhaustingly pathetic' maybe you are need to ask yourself "Am I the baddy here?" 

I'm sure this tete-a-tete is pretty boring for everyone else now, especially since we essentially agree on the whole matter. Let's move on.

[voodoo ray]

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1492222386598518789

mclaren. looks like a real car but who knows.

the aston side pods so far are an outlier.

[TepidT2O]

https://twitter.com/F1/status/1492222386598518789

mclaren. looks like a real car but who knows.

the aston side pods so far are an outlier.

The Aston is interesting… it essentially gives it a double floor with a tunnel between  the two to funnel the air down..

It’s much wider than the Hass at the back end (which seems very narrow)