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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2019, 08:45:24 pm »
This is the crux of the matter. It’s a question of how good the scouting system is and whether their recruitment is any good.

We know what an excellent coach David Wagner is but Huddersfield’s recruitment screwed him up, I’m thinking the same for Hughton.

Rarely do we ever see promoted Championship clubs get it right in terms of recruitment after they’ve secured themselves after their initial season in the Premier League. Clubs like Southampton benefited from a great youth setup so that suggests the best foundations are investing in the youth for any sustainability in the league.

Are the data analysts up to scratch, should they be paying top dollar for better internal analytics? Or do they get complacent and profligate with Premier League cash once they have safely secured another year in the Premier League?

I think it’s a bit of both, but at the end of the day, it’s the manager whose the scapegoat for such failures.

We do?  Huddersfield weren't even good in the championship yet sometimes you get lucky.

As far as Hughton, he seemingly thinks or thought Propper and Stephens are better than Bissouma which if your main tactic is being solid behind the ball then that's just crazy.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2019, 08:56:43 pm »
We do?  Huddersfield weren't even good in the championship yet sometimes you get lucky.

As far as Hughton, he seemingly thinks or thought Propper and Stephens are better than Bissouma which if your main tactic is being solid behind the ball then that's just crazy.

Oh please, that Huddersfield side had no right being in the Premier League with that squad. Nobody ever thought of them as a promotion club, and if anything, saw them lingering around the lower half of the Championship.

While they didn’t score many goals, he certainly put in all the effort with the right style of play (creating numerous chances, pity the poor finishers at the club).

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2019, 09:08:09 pm »
Oh please, that Huddersfield side had no right being in the Premier League with that squad. Nobody ever thought of them as a promotion club, and if anything, saw them lingering around the lower half of the Championship.

While they didn’t score many goals, he certainly put in all the effort with the right style of play (creating numerous chances, pity the poor finishers at the club).

Eh?  You have to search pretty hard for the info as most people don't publish lower division stats but Huddersfield in the Championship were not a good offensive team.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2019, 10:20:26 pm »
We do?  Huddersfield weren't even good in the championship yet sometimes you get lucky.


So he got lucky when they were promoted and then stayed up? Wow, that's a lot of luck. He took them up and kept a squad of journeymen in the Premier League for two seasons. Getting lucky would be sneaking into the Premier League via the playoffs and then going straight back down, which obviously didn't happen.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2019, 10:32:48 pm »
So he got lucky when they were promoted and then stayed up? Wow, that's a lot of luck. He took them up and kept a squad of journeymen in the Premier League for two seasons. Getting lucky would be sneaking into the Premier League via the playoffs and then going straight back down, which obviously didn't happen.

So they got lucky in getting promoted (which they did) but then it's was managerial skill that kept them up for one season?  They had the 3rd worst offensive and defensive stats last year yet got 16th instead of relegated.  Some pretty fine margins there and then followed that up with one of the worst PL campaigns of all time.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #45 on: May 13, 2019, 10:37:16 pm »
So he got lucky when they were promoted and then stayed up? Wow, that's a lot of luck. He took them up and kept a squad of journeymen in the Premier League for two seasons. Getting lucky would be sneaking into the Premier League via the playoffs and then going straight back down, which obviously didn't happen.

They finished in the playoffs with a negative goal difference and were second lowest scorers in the entire top half of the Championship that season and conceded more than Wigan who got relegated ffs. Last season they somehow survived after scoring 28 goals. You may not call it luck, but my god I bet you won't see either of these things happen again for donkeys and with good reason. He didn't do anything Colin Wanker did, except he spunked away tens of millions to somehow fluke survival whereas Wanker couldn't.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #46 on: May 13, 2019, 11:43:49 pm »
Sorry that Hughton got the bullet. But football is all about results.

Interesting what other pros have said about his strengths. Clearly someone who has high professional standards, and yet his teams relied on defensive solidity rather than expansive, attacking risk taking. Or as current football jargon has it, bravery.

It appears Graham Potter will get the gig. He has Klopp and Pep tendencies. Which is to say, he is an advocate of possession based football where the work without the ball is as crucial as the work with it. One fascinating side issue is what (if anything) he does with Liam Rosenior - a Hughton appointee. Rosenior is evidently a gifted coach. But he’s more than that. He’s one of the most thoughtful and analytical voices that Sky have unearthed over the past 2 years.

At a juncture when Sky are pushing the BAME narrative (for spurious reasons, sadly and predictably) over the Hughton sacking, Rosenior is, for me, the unpolished diamond who could become an exceptional coach/manager, or, if Sky had the foresight, a much more insightful and erudite pundit than either Carra or the hackneyed Neville.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #47 on: May 14, 2019, 12:53:13 am »
I think a lot of reds have a thing for Wagner because he's Klopp's mate.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #48 on: May 14, 2019, 01:07:15 am »
I think a lot of reds have a thing for Wagner because he's Klopp's mate.

I think some also appreciate the fact he somehow managed to bring Huddersfield up and keep them in the Prem for a season! And the fact he comes across as a thoroughly decent man.

I haven't seen enough games he's coached to know if he's any good. But next season I will, seeing how he gets on working under the spotlight of a club the size of Schalke 04 will be very interesting.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #49 on: May 14, 2019, 01:13:00 am »
He'd done his time there. I like Chris Hughton but watching Brighton at home to Newcastle a fortnight ago, they were sinking without trace. Hopefully they don't replace him with Alladyce, Moyes or Pardew.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #50 on: May 14, 2019, 01:13:13 am »
Brighton fans seem to think it's the right decision, we're just on the outside looking in.
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

Disappointing.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #51 on: May 14, 2019, 01:24:01 am »
Brighton fans seem to think it's the right decision, we're just on the outside looking in.

It is the right decision, people think its harsh because he kept them up and he is a good manager. But the realities are that if Cardiff and Fulham werent so shit he would have gone down. He didnt save them, Fulham and Cardiff did by being worse teams.

He will get another job and do a great job but he clearly needed to be moved on. And people can say they will go down next season but who is to say they wouldnt have anyway? I think they knew they are good odds on going down next season so instead of giving Hughton time to rectify that and then have to replace him mid season they would rather take the risk now and give a new manager the pre season and his own signings.

Its honestly a smart decision

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #52 on: May 14, 2019, 01:29:19 am »
It is the right decision, people think its harsh because he kept them up and he is a good manager. But the realities are that if Cardiff and Fulham werent so shit he would have gone down. He didnt save them, Fulham and Cardiff did by being worse teams.

He will get another job and do a great job but he clearly needed to be moved on. And people can say they will go down next season but who is to say they wouldnt have anyway? I think they knew they are good odds on going down next season so instead of giving Hughton time to rectify that and then have to replace him mid season they would rather take the risk now and give a new manager the pre season and his own signings.

Its honestly a smart decision

Yeah I think I agree. He seems like a lovely media friendly guy, but the footy they've played for half the season is awful. Some of their signings just weird. Locadia and Jahankbash (sp), but they still rely on Glenn bloody Murray to score.
Pretty happy with Arse taking it.

Disappointing.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #53 on: May 14, 2019, 01:49:01 am »
Seems to me a bit like Southampton replacing Adkins with Pochettino:  Seems harsh, but have looked at where they are and thought they can kick on with someone better.  Hughton has done well to get Brighton to where they are, but they've been dismal for much of the season, and Brighton have decided to act early.

Obviously if they go and appoint Hughes or Allardyce then all bets are off.  But if they get in someone who can kick them up a level then it's a fair decision.  A club in Brighton's position has the sort of money that clubs in other leagues can only dream of, negligent not to try and get the best coach you can when you spend tens of millions on players in a way that teams in Germany or France who battle relegation every year can't even imagine.

Hell, look at Southampton again:  They bin off Hughes for a guy who was able to finish second in the Bundesliga.  There's so much cash in this league.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #54 on: May 14, 2019, 01:52:08 am »
Seems to me a bit like Southampton replacing Adkins with Pochettino:  Seems harsh, but have looked at where they are and thought they can kick on with someone better.  Hughton has done well to get Brighton to where they are, but they've been dismal for much of the season, and Brighton have decided to act early.

Obviously if they go and appoint Hughes or Allardyce then all bets are off.  But if they get in someone who can kick them up a level then it's a fair decision.  A club in Brighton's position has the sort of money that clubs in other leagues can only dream of, negligent not to try and get the best coach you can when you spend tens of millions on players in a way that teams in Germany or France who battle relegation every year can't even imagine.

Hell, look at Southampton again:  They bin off Hughes for a guy who was able to finish second in the Bundesliga.  There's so much cash in this league.

I honestly think if Brighton hire well the sky's the limit for them.
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Disappointing.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #55 on: May 14, 2019, 04:22:19 am »
It is the right decision, people think its harsh because he kept them up and he is a good manager. But the realities are that if Cardiff and Fulham werent so shit he would have gone down. He didnt save them, Fulham and Cardiff did by being worse teams.

He will get another job and do a great job but he clearly needed to be moved on. And people can say they will go down next season but who is to say they wouldnt have anyway? I think they knew they are good odds on going down next season so instead of giving Hughton time to rectify that and then have to replace him mid season they would rather take the risk now and give a new manager the pre season and his own signings.

Its honestly a smart decision

The smarter decision is buying better players.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #56 on: May 14, 2019, 06:19:48 am »
Gonna be backing them for relegation next season, depending on who they bring in.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #57 on: May 14, 2019, 06:35:32 am »
The smarter decision is buying better players.


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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #58 on: May 14, 2019, 07:04:41 am »
Hughton will get a new job pretty quickly.

Palace maybe?
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2019, 07:21:10 am »
Seems to me a bit like Southampton replacing Adkins with Pochettino:  Seems harsh, but have looked at where they are and thought they can kick on with someone better.  Hughton has done well to get Brighton to where they are, but they've been dismal for much of the season, and Brighton have decided to act early.

Obviously if they go and appoint Hughes or Allardyce then all bets are off.  But if they get in someone who can kick them up a level then it's a fair decision.  A club in Brighton's position has the sort of money that clubs in other leagues can only dream of, negligent not to try and get the best coach you can when you spend tens of millions on players in a way that teams in Germany or France who battle relegation every year can't even imagine.

Hell, look at Southampton again:  They bin off Hughes for a guy who was able to finish second in the Bundesliga. There's so much cash in this league.

Should never have appointed him in the first place.  Was a prize pillock decision that for a club that's done so well otherwise.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2019, 07:26:18 am »
Hughton will get a new job pretty quickly.

Palace maybe?

Not sure he'll get another Premier League job unless a team is desperate mid season. Doesn't seem to have got himself fully on the merry go round yet. More likely to be a Championship team that goes for him and that may be where he excels. Nothing wrong with that really.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2019, 07:42:41 am »
Hughton will get a new job pretty quickly.

Palace maybe?
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2019, 12:10:18 pm »
Hughton will get a new job pretty quickly.

Palace maybe?

Fuck off

That’s like Liverpool signing an Everton reject.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2019, 12:52:11 pm »
Wouldn't count him out of the Newcastle job if they fuck Rafa over.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2019, 01:00:57 pm »
If Klopp is abducted by aliens to coach Betelgeuse Utd, Hughton could replace him

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2019, 01:43:27 pm »
The smarter decision is buying better players.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2019, 02:07:29 pm »
Hope they get relegated next season now, Hughton is a decent bloke, and did well keeping them up, what do their board expect really?

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2019, 02:22:37 pm »
Wouldn't count him out of the Newcastle job if they fuck Rafa over.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2019, 03:18:27 pm »
Hope they get relegated next season now, Hughton is a decent bloke, and did well keeping them up, what do their board expect really?

It's not about him not doing well enough (although they have been awful since Christmas). It's about wanting to move up. It's obvious Hughton doesn't have the ability to bring in new players and create a team that can move them up the league, so they want to take the risk of bringing in someone that will. They are just as likely to get relegated under Hughton next season.

Why should the board want them to struggle to survive every season? WHy not be ambitious and cement themselves in the league and start pushing midtable.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2019, 03:27:26 pm »
Rafa to Brighton, Hughton to Newcastle 8)

No fucking way.  He's already been their manager effectively three times.  And the last time when Ashley finally sacked him he was replaced by Alan Fucking Pardew.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2019, 04:19:18 pm »
No fucking way.  He's already been their manager effectively three times.  And the last time when Ashley finally sacked him he was replaced by Alan Fucking Pardew.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2019, 09:47:53 pm »
Hope they get relegated next season now, Hughton is a decent bloke, and did well keeping them up, what do their board expect really?

Decision was made entirely by Tony Bloom (Chairman).  Looks like TB expected Brighton to score two goals against Man City like Swansea.  Harry Potter it is then!

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2019, 09:55:39 pm »
Wonder if he'll even go back to management at all now. Has had a rough few years, worked his arse off into his sixties and now has a large extended family. All things considered he's got a good managerial pedigree, 50+caps for his country and a half-decent playing career - there's nothing he's going to get on his resume now that'll change anything. Could hardly blame him for jibbing it now and swapping it for £2k a day appearance money on beIN sports or some shit.

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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2019, 09:11:19 am »
Seems like a perfectly reasonable decision to move on from him. They've been awful since the turn of the year, only Huddersfield got less points in 2019, they survived thanks to the teams below them being awful rather than anything good they've done.

Also they brought Ashworth in as technical director earlier in the season, i guess he & Hughton didn't share the same plan moving forward

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« Reply #74 on: May 15, 2019, 09:15:21 am »
Timing was difficult with this one. They must have known they wanted to sack him to give the new manager a decent preseason. But couldn't before Man City match; "well done for securing survival, you're sacked". SO waited until after Man City. What would they have done if they had got a point or even won?!
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #75 on: May 15, 2019, 09:22:25 am »
Timing was difficult with this one. They must have known they wanted to sack him to give the new manager a decent preseason. But couldn't before Man City match; "well done for securing survival, you're sacked". SO waited until after Man City. What would they have done if they had got a point or even won?!

I imagine it'd have made absolutely no difference. You don't usually make long term leadership decisions on the back of one game. He and they had been crap for so long fluking one wouldn't have glossed over all of that.

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« Reply #76 on: May 15, 2019, 11:59:49 am »
As a Brighton fan said better to sack him now than next October/November.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #77 on: May 15, 2019, 06:36:48 pm »


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Kick It Out have "unreservedly apologised" to Brighton following comments made by its Head of Development Troy Townsend over the dismissal of Chris Hughton.

Hughton was sacked by Brighton on Monday after securing them a 17th-placed finish in the Premier League.

Townsend then criticised the decision in a Daily Telegraph interview.

Kick It Out said it apologised "for the impact the comments have had on the club's reputation".

The anti-racism body added in a statement it was also sorry for any inference from Townsend's comments that Hughton's sacking was "linked in any way to his ethnicity".

Hughton, 60, who was contracted with the Seagulls until 2021, was one of just two black managers in the Premier League.

The former Newcastle and Norwich boss had guided Albion to an FA Cup semi-final earlier this season, where they lost 1-0 to Manchester City at Wembley.

Townsend, father of Crystal Palace forward Andros, described Hughton's dismissal as "shabby" in the interview.

He said: "We are now at worse than square one. What people don't understand is the real difficulties for black managers getting through the bottle neck at the top of football. We are talking about measly numbers.

"It's so shabby. What are the expectations of Brighton? Surely it is to stay in the league. You are fourth from bottom and you have got to an FA Cup semi-final. I don't get it.

"They must have been planning it for some time. Look at how Chris has been treated at Newcastle and Norwich and now Brighton? Being nice is his nature, but I know behind closed doors he is a different guy, he knows how to get his teams going. He has given Brighton another year of Premier League football and he gets repaid like this? Really?"

Hughton first joined Brighton in December 2014 and led the club to the Premier League for the first time in 2017.
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #78 on: May 15, 2019, 07:07:23 pm »
Timing was difficult with this one. They must have known they wanted to sack him to give the new manager a decent preseason. But couldn't before Man City match; "well done for securing survival, you're sacked". SO waited until after Man City. What would they have done if they had got a point or even won?!

Didn't matter.  They were already safe
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Re: Hughton sacked by Brighton
« Reply #79 on: May 15, 2019, 07:15:36 pm »
Didn't matter.  They were already safe

Only just as it turns out, very lucky Cardiff didn't win a couple of more matches in the run in, would have been interesting had relegation issues gone to the last day, but alas Cardiff were shitter than Brighton were.
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