Topic: CL SF: Liverpool 4 vs Barçelona 0 (4-3) Origi 6', 79’, Gini 53', 56 Bloody hell.

[Kenny's Jacket]

That forum is tragic!

I stopped reading after some guy claimed that our ‘negro’ players are smarter than their ‘negro’ players. Unbelievable stuff!

Jeezus. 

I thought it was bad when they said the big clubs  in England were United and Arsenal

[Red Beret]

I get it's the team colours but that forum looks like it's about 15 years old.

Attached a prize post from between the games - dude needs to heed his own signature!

Probably Luis.

[Yiannis]

Those pricks dwelling on Dembele's miss at the end. Hiya beauts, it does not work that way, you know?

[Shaved Crossbar]

This defeat is still haunting me.

Barcaforum, today

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Does noone think it strange to have a Barcelona forum in English?

It's funny. When we played them in 07, I came across this very same forum and they were this arrogant back then as well about us. Nothing has changed 

[deFacto please, you bastards]

Just leave this one here.
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How dare we believe!!!

[wampa1]

Prognosticator of prognosticators:

Playing the second leg away worries me. We could win 3-0 at Camp Nou and then lose there easily.

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/15686-Champions-League-Semi-Final-Liverpool-FC-Barcelona-4-3-agg?p=2052089&viewfull=1#post2052089

[Red Beret]

It's funny. When we played them in 07, I came across this very same forum and they were this arrogant back then as well about us. Nothing has changed 

And Messi hadn't even broken through then!

It's honestly bizarre, given our history in the competition, both pre Heysel and since 2005, that so many clubs continue to underestimate us. 

I can understand fans being a bit arrogant and confident - we all believe our team is the best after all - but there's also a glaring lack of humility, and it does seem to be mostly the Spanish clubs' problem - although Italy in the past has also had this attitude.

[Golyo]

I can understand fans being a bit arrogant and confident - we all believe our team is the best after all - but there's also a glaring lack of humility, and it does seem to be mostly the Spanish clubs' problem - although Italy in the past has also had this attitude.

Tbf in the previous 10 seasons the Spanish teams owned the CL final. If they reached the final (7 times) they've won it (Barca 3, Real 4 times). They had a good run, but the tide is turning again.

[mc_red22]

Enjoy

http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/15686-Champions-League-Semi-Final-Liverpool-FC-Barcelona-4-3-agg?p=2075214#post2075214

The begging for Messi to be their saviour for the millionth time was pretty funny. Everything comes down to Messi, every single time.

[soxfan]

Does noone think it strange to have a Barcelona forum in English?

Given our own global fanbase, I'm sure there are some fairly busy Red forums in languages other than English. Look at how we fill stadiums on any continent in preseason.

[Golyo]

The begging for Messi to be their saviour for the millionth time was pretty funny. Everything comes down to Messi, every single time.

It's a team sport and they are paying more money to one player than our full attack earns. It's bad management.

[mikeb58]

Have you seen the LFC TV footage, it shows our players relaxed as fuck getting off the team bus, Milner's having a right laugh with someone. Barcelona players look bemused and nervous. Anfield on nights like that fucks up your head, 3-0 up or not.

Great angles for the goals and highlights in that footage too, must have watched it a hundred times, I will never tire of watching what we achieved on that incredible night!

[No666]

I can understand fans being a bit arrogant and confident - we all believe our team is the best after all - but there's also a glaring lack of humility, and it does seem to be mostly the Spanish clubs' problem - although Italy in the past has also had this attitude.

Bollox to stereotyping of that sort -- it's so lazy. So some Barça supporters on a forum are expressing themselves badly. So do we.

I still enjoy the videos of this match. Let's just keep it about us.

[Sangria]

Given our own global fanbase, I'm sure there are some fairly busy Red forums in languages other than English. Look at how we fill stadiums on any continent in preseason.

English is also the international language, so there's a good chance that fans from different countries would use English as the language of discussion. And English speakers are notoriously loathe to learn other languages, so other language forums would exclude most English first language speakers.

[RedSince86]

It's a team sport and they are paying more money to one player than our full attack earns. It's bad management.

That came about because of Pep's arrival at City.

Pep wanted Messi so badly and were willing to pay the £220 million buy out clause.

That forced Barca's hand so they gave him a pay rise of 50 million Euros a season and put his buy out clause to $835 million/700 million Euros.

[Son of Spion]

It's honestly bizarre, given our history in the competition, both pre Heysel and since 2005, that so many clubs continue to underestimate us.

I think this has always been so in Europe. I was lucky enough to be of an age where I witnessed our emergence on the European scene with, first, UEFA Cup wins then old big ears himself. The big continental sides always underestimated us and the power of Anfield. Despite our history since, plenty still seem to underestimate us even today.

Too many European sides have thought they'd done the hard work against us and thought they were through, only to come unstuck. The fact that too many of them continue to underestimate us even now can really play into our hands. I love the fact that they do this. I hope it never changes.

[Sangria]

I think this has always been so in Europe. I was lucky enough to be of an age where I witnessed our emergence on the European scene with, first, UEFA Cup wins then old big ears himself. The big continental sides always underestimated us and the power of Anfield. Despite our history since, plenty still seem to underestimate us even today.

Too many European sides have thought they'd done the hard work against us and thought they were through, only to come unstuck. The fact that too many of them continue to underestimate us even now can really play into our hands. I love the fact that they do this. I hope it never changes.

At least from what I've seen, foreign fans have a healthy respect for Anfield, with even the biggest teams not wanting to play us except in a one legged final. What earlier posts see as complacency is just understandable confidence following a 3-0 first leg lead. No worse than what you'd see here if we were in the same position. It's understandable on our part to enjoy reading these posts with hindsight. But we shouldn't really draw negative conclusions about other fans from reading them with hindsight. We wouldn't have been any better (see posts about leading the title race last season).

[markedasred]

Gets really interesting around page 93.

What is this culture of watching a match where you spend so much time moaning in a forum when the game lasts 90 odd minutes and there's 160 odd other hours in the week for that crap?. I barely talk at the match, let alone when watching it on a screen.

But after saying that, it was like going in to either Manchester forums these days, all 3 of their teams entitled and bitter.

[Son of Spion]

At least from what I've seen, foreign fans have a healthy respect for Anfield, with even the biggest teams not wanting to play us except in a one legged final. What earlier posts see as complacency is just understandable confidence following a 3-0 first leg lead. No worse than what you'd see here if we were in the same position. It's understandable on our part to enjoy reading these posts with hindsight. But we shouldn't really draw negative conclusions about other fans from reading them with hindsight. We wouldn't have been any better (see posts about leading the title race last season).

I agree with you regarding the fans, though I was thinking more about the teams themselves, as I thought Red Berry was too. Apart from the usual suspects of the likes of Roma, Napoli, Juventus etc I'd much rather see continental fans at Anfield than most of the morons who come here with domestic clubs. European fans seem generally more respectful and decent, which is refreshing.

I think we have often been underestimated by the biggest continental clubs over the years. Remember Bayern printing directions to the final for their fans before playing us in a semi final. We've also seen no end of comments from people from very high profile European clubs talking of how Anfield won't bother them and they will come here and do a job on us. Our European history is littered with opposition saying such things before we send them packing. It's quite possibly down to them having ultimate belief in their own abilities than anything else, but I still believe we are underestimated more than we should be. I'm fine with it too, because it hands us an advantage.

[Sangria]

I agree with you regarding the fans, though I was thinking more about the teams themselves, as I thought Red Berry was too. Apart from the usual suspects of the likes of Roma, Napoli, Juventus etc I'd much rather see continental fans at Anfield than most of the morons who come here with domestic clubs. European fans seem generally more respectful and decent, which is refreshing.

I think we have often been underestimated by the biggest continental clubs over the years. Remember Bayern printing directions to the final for their fans before playing us in a semi final. We've also seen no end of comments from people from very high profile European clubs talking of how Anfield won't bother them and they will come here and do a job on us. Our European history is littered with opposition saying such things before we send them packing. It's quite possibly down to them having ultimate belief in their own abilities than anything else, but I still believe we are underestimated more than we should be. I'm fine with it too, because it hands us an advantage.

Fans of foreign clubs don't have the anti-Scouse prejudice present among all English clubs, excusing itself as hatred of Liverpool fans, but in form and reality based on hatred of Liverpudlians. Although I wince when I see gloating like that earlier in this thread, or whining about how we "deserve" this and that. People will hate us no matter what, but at least we can try and improve our own behaviour and live up to standards we aspire to.

[Dave Mc]

Prognosticator of prognosticators:
http://www.barcaforum.com/showthread.php/15686-Champions-League-Semi-Final-Liverpool-FC-Barcelona-4-3-agg?p=2052089&viewfull=1#post2052089

Their team is so front heavy and they lack quality in mid and defense (minus VVD). Barcelona are more balanced and should dominate the midfield.

Holy shit

[ScubaSteve]

I had a look at the barcaforum today and it did give me a good laugh. By the end of it, a lot realised how strong Liverpool actually were in that game. No one will doubt us in Europe next season

[killer-heels]

I liked the “Never forget” line that one of the Barca fans posted on that forum in one of the latter pages a few weeks after the game. Made me chuckle.

[Crosby Nick]

I liked the “Never forget” line that one of the Barca fans posted on that forum in one of the latter pages a few weeks after the game. Made me chuckle.

Had he returned to Anfield for the Take That concert?

[Yosser0_0]

I agree with you regarding the fans, though I was thinking more about the teams themselves, as I thought Red Berry was too. Apart from the usual suspects of the likes of Roma, Napoli, Juventus etc I'd much rather see continental fans at Anfield than most of the morons who come here with domestic clubs. European fans seem generally more respectful and decent, which is refreshing.

I think we have often been underestimated by the biggest continental clubs over the years. Remember Bayern printing directions to the final for their fans before playing us in a semi final. We've also seen no end of comments from people from very high profile European clubs talking of how Anfield won't bother them and they will come here and do a job on us. Our European history is littered with opposition saying such things before we send them packing. It's quite possibly down to them having ultimate belief in their own abilities than anything else, but I still believe we are underestimated more than we should be. I'm fine with it too, because it hands us an advantage.

One could argue that was just the Germans being efficient and planning ahead. 

[Red Beret]

Bollox to stereotyping of that sort -- it's so lazy. So some Barça supporters on a forum are expressing themselves badly. So do we.

I still enjoy the videos of this match. Let's just keep it about us.

Who's stereotyping?  Where have I failed to give credit when it was due to the Barca fans?  I've said repeatedly that any number of them have been highly respectful to us.  However it was only fair to point out that many others carry an institutional arrogance.

When you are winning everything in sight then yes, a sense of entitlement can descend on your perception; and a team with Messi in it has every right to expect to win things.  There's nothing wrong with being cocky.  But you can still show your opponents respect.  Plenty of Barca fans knew that the Nou Camp result flattered them greatly.

[Yosser0_0]

Fans of foreign clubs don't have the anti-Scouse prejudice present among all English clubs, excusing itself as hatred of Liverpool fans, but in form and reality based on hatred of Liverpudlians. Although I wince when I see gloating like that earlier in this thread, or whining about how we "deserve" this and that. People will hate us no matter what, but at least we can try and improve our own behaviour and live up to standards we aspire to.

I don't see any love or respect for Liverpool fans from fans of any of the Italian clubs. Don't forget what the Roma Ultras did on the streets of Liverpool, you know actually in real life and not on some internet bollox forum. Given their record of violence none of the Italian clubs should be playing in Europe, I fear for the safety of our fans every time we draw one of them which is unacceptable in itself.

[Red Beret]

I agree with you regarding the fans, though I was thinking more about the teams themselves, as I thought Red Berry was too. Apart from the usual suspects of the likes of Roma, Napoli, Juventus etc I'd much rather see continental fans at Anfield than most of the morons who come here with domestic clubs. European fans seem generally more respectful and decent, which is refreshing.

I think we have often been underestimated by the biggest continental clubs over the years. Remember Bayern printing directions to the final for their fans before playing us in a semi final. We've also seen no end of comments from people from very high profile European clubs talking of how Anfield won't bother them and they will come here and do a job on us. Our European history is littered with opposition saying such things before we send them packing. It's quite possibly down to them having ultimate belief in their own abilities than anything else, but I still believe we are underestimated more than we should be. I'm fine with it too, because it hands us an advantage.

I agree.  It's always the same and they never seem to learn.  It's why Kiev sickened me so much.  Still, after back to back CL finals and what we did this season just gone, I think many clubs will be far more wary and respectful of us now at Anfield and away.  We'll have our bad days certainly, but nobody will be taking any result against us for granted next season.  That will probably make our job harder, but I guess we can handle it.

[Red Beret]

I don't see any love or respect for Liverpool fans from fans of any of the Italian clubs. Don't forget what the Roma Ultras did on the streets of Liverpool, you know actually in real life on not on some internet bollox forum. Given their record of violence none of the Italian clubs should be playing in Europe, I fear for the safety of our fans every time we draw one of them which is unacceptable in itself.

Agree, although that is most definitely more an "anti-English" attitude rather than an "anti-Liverpool" or "anti-Scouser" one.

[Sangria]

I liked the “Never forget” line that one of the Barca fans posted on that forum in one of the latter pages a few weeks after the game. Made me chuckle.

The "Remember the Athenians" line is better.

[Yosser0_0]

Agree, although that is most definitely more an "anti-English" attitude rather than an "anti-Liverpool" or "anti-Scouser" one.

Yes I didn't miss the point of the original point, but does that mean that it should suddenly sit easier with us? The anti Scouse thing is tribal, like North / South, Lancs / York's, it varies from banter to contempt and then hatred but it's mostly rethoric but can be used to create a seige mentality and togetherness. These Ultras seem to just want to put as many of us in boxes as possible.

[Son of Spion]

Agree, although that is most definitely more an "anti-English" attitude rather than an "anti-Liverpool" or "anti-Scouser" one.

I also have the impression it's an anti-English thing with them rather than specifically anti-Liverpool. To those still living in the last century, English scalps are highly prized. Certain fanbases in Italy are definitely still rooted in the dark ages, as are some in Russia, Poland etc. Mind you, I don't think we've had issues with the likes of Milan fans. To be honest though, I'd be content never to play an Italian side in Europe ever again. Or at least until the usual suspects learn to behave like civilised human beings.

I think the usual suspects in Italy cause trouble with any visiting sides when they can. They will always want to fight the English, but they are no different when fans from other countries visit them either.

[Sangria]

I also have the impression it's an anti-English thing with them rather than specifically anti-Liverpool. To those still living in the last century, English scalps are highly prized. Certain fanbases in Italy are definitely still rooted in the dark ages, as are some in Russia, Poland etc. Mind you, I don't think we've had issues with the likes of Milan fans. To be honest though, I'd be content never to play an Italian side in Europe ever again. Or at least until the usual suspects learn to behave like civilised human beings.

I think the usual suspects in Italy cause trouble with any visiting sides when they can. They will always want to fight the English, but they are no different when fans from other countries visit them either.

Ultras are basically gangs based around football, or mafias to use the Italian term. The culture is centred on the match, but their life is all the underground gangster stuff. There was a Guardian Long Read article a while ago about a member who was drawn into that life. I'd imagine ultras from other hooligan-ridden football cultures would be similar.

[Indomitable_Carp]

Who's stereotyping?  Where have I failed to give credit when it was due to the Barca fans?  I've said repeatedly that any number of them have been highly respectful to us.  However it was only fair to point out that many others carry an institutional arrogance.

When you are winning everything in sight then yes, a sense of entitlement can descend on your perception; and a team with Messi in it has every right to expect to win things.  There's nothing wrong with being cocky.  But you can still show your opponents respect.  Plenty of Barca fans knew that the Nou Camp result flattered them greatly.

The Barca fans who actually live in a Barcelona I have found to be generally respectful and, while possibly entitled, still willing to give credit where it is due (though in their minds failure is down more to them fucking up then the opposition just being better). On the whole, from those I have met in person, they are a decent bunch. I think the club is more arrogant and entitled then the actual fans themselves (if that makes sense?)

Problem with forums like that one though, especially English-speaking ones, is you get all the arm-chair fans who have probably never stepped foot in the Camp Nou (or may have done once on holiday) mouthing off in an arrogant and entitled fashion because their whole reason for supporting Barcelona is the fact they are one of the biggest clubs in the world with the biggest names who win everything, rather then any notion of Catalan pride or identity. 

Still a great read though 

[Red Beret]

Yes I didn't miss the point of the original point, but does that mean that it should suddenly sit easier with us? The anti Scouse thing is tribal, like North / South, Lancs / York's, it varies from banter to contempt and then hatred but it's mostly rethoric but can be used to create a seige mentality and togetherness. These Ultras seem to just want to put as many of us in boxes as possible.

Absolutely. As others have said, Italian ultras don't really care where you're from. They just want to put you in a box.

[Cracking Left Foot]

That forum is tragic!

I stopped reading after some guy claimed that our ‘negro’ players are smarter than their ‘negro’ players. Unbelievable stuff!

You'd think Luis wouldn't have time to be pissing about on forums, he should have been getting on with training.

[TepidT2O]

The Barca forum has some very fine posters I reckon...

[deFacto please, you bastards]

The Barca forum has some very fine posters I reckon...

Some tepid feller I noticed

[TepidT2O]

Some tepid feller I noticed

Fucking thieves