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RAWK All-Time Greatest Movie w/ Immunity - Round 1 Matches (Games 1-4)

Mikey LFC
12 (13.2%)
Samie
12 (13.2%)
Chakan
11 (12.1%)
Lastrador
11 (12.1%)
Max Power
7 (7.7%)
Robbie Red
16 (17.6%)
Buck Pete
10 (11%)
Sheer Mag
12 (13.2%)

Total Members Voted: 24

Voting closed: March 24, 2020, 11:16:52 pm

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Here is a formula to determine the winner of each match

1st Criteria - Head to Head Genre Match-up  (Action v Action/ Comedy v Comedy/ Independent vs Foreign Film etc.) - There are ties.

2nd Criteria- Wildcard counts double - whomever makes the best wildcard pick in a tied match gets the benefit of the doubt

3rd Criteria - Film Score (VBobbyG will help me furnish the film scores as a means to break any unbreakable ties) - this is just for RAWK drafters.

4th Criteria - Plot, Characters, and Scenes as Memorable (some plots, characters, and scenes are unforgettable)


Film scores will be posted before the votes, but are not gospel on their own - only in conjunction with voting in head to head match ups and wildcard decisions.  They are meant to confirm but not to bias the process.  For example, Fried Green Tomatoes might be a highly scored film, but amongst us --- it would get a snicker or giggle and a thumbs down.  While "One Night in Instanbul might not be that highly rated, but amongst us --- it is a jewel of movie.  So keep this in mind.


Criteria 4 is present because as you will see later there is one more piece to consider when selecting your movies!!!


Game 1
                                                                   Mikey                    Samie

Cat 1: Action, Sci Fi, or Adv/Thriller            Lord of the Rings         Blade Runner
Cat 2: Westerns, War, Mafia, or Crime         Saving Private Ryan     Casino
Cat 3: Comedy or Tragedy                          Life of Brian                Home Alone
Cat 4: Documentary                                    Senna                         OJ: Made in America
Cat 5: Drama (Blockbuster/Epic)                 Gladiator                     Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon
Cat 6: Indie, Small Budget, or Foreign         Cinema Paradiso         Spotlight
Cat 7: Wildcard - (x2)                                 12 Angry Men             The Rock
Cat 8: Horror/Psych Thriller/Mystery          Silence of Lambs         Halloween
Cat 9: Animation                                        WALL-E                       The Incredibles
Cat10 Musicals                                           Sing'in in Rain             Chicago
Cat 11: Sports                                            Jerry McGuire              Rush


Game 2
                                                                     Chakan                  Lastrador

Cat 1: Action, Sci Fi, or Adv/Thriller                  Die Hard                    Predator               
Cat 2: Westerns, War, Mafia, or Crime               Full Metal Jacket        Vertigo                             
Cat 3: Comedy or Tragedy                                Ferris Bueller's DO     Grand Budapest Hotel       
Cat 4: Documentary                                         Free Solo                    Searching for Sugarman
Cat 5: Drama (Blockbuster/Epic)                       American History X    Barry Lyndon
Cat 6: Indie, Small Budget, or Foreign              Pan's Labryinth           Dogville
Cat 7: Wildcard - (x2)                                      LA Confidential          There Will Be Blood     
Cat 8: Horror/Psych Thriller/Mystery               The Exorcist               Se7en
Cat 9: Animation                                             Aladdin                      Coco
Cat10 Musicals                                                Pink Floyd The Wall    La La Land
Cat 11: Sports                                                 Remember Titans       Warrior


Game 3
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Cat 1: Action, Sci Fi, or Adv/Thriller                Terminator 2               The Matrix
Cat 2: Westerns, War, Mafia, or Crime              Oldboy                        The Deer Hunter
Cat 3: Comedy or Tragedy                               Hot Fuzz                     The Hangover
Cat 4: Documentary                                        Bowling f/ Columbine  When We Were Kings
Cat 5: Drama (Blockbuster/Epic)                      Casablanca                  One Flew Over (Coockoo's Nest)                     
Cat 6: Indie, Small Budget, or Foreign              Four Lions                   Infernal Affairs
Cat 7: Wildcard - (x2)                                      Forrest Gump              No Country for Old Men         
Cat 8: Horror/Psych Thriller/Mystery               Psycho                         The Omen
Cat 9: Animation                                             Grave of Fireflies         The Lion King
Cat10 Musicals                                                Nightmare (b) Xmas     Fiddler on the Roof
Cat 11: Sports                                                 Two Escobars               Raging Bull


Game 4
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Cat 1: Action, Sci Fi, or Adv/Thriller                 Robo-Cop                    Aliens
Cat 2: Westerns, War, Mafia, or Crime              Training Day                Goodfellas   
Cat 3: Comedy or Tragedy                               Blazing Saddles            Withnail & I
Cat 4: Documentary                                         Super Size Me              Cocaine Cowboys
Cat 5: Drama (Blockbuster/Epic)                      Requiem/Dream           Citizen Kane                               
Cat 6: Indie, Small Budget, or Foreign              Reservoir Dogs            Trainspotting
Cat 7: Wildcard - (x2)                                      Heat                             The Good, Bad & the Ugly               
Cat 8: Horror/Psych Thriller/Mystery               Train to Busan              Mulholland Drive
Cat 9: Animation                                             When Wind Blows          Akira
Cat10 Musicals                                                Rocky Horror PS            A Hard Day Night
Cat 11: Sports                                                 Slapshot                       Caddyshack
« Last Edit: March 25, 2020, 09:26:20 pm by Trendisdestiny »
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So what the heck are we voting on? Best movies? Our faves? Best movie night?

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So what the heck are we voting on? Best movies? Our faves? Best movie night?

Good question (see above)
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I would like to point out Mikey just looked up IMDB's highest rated films. The man didn't even pick films he likes.

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I'm gonna mark them based on my personal preference out of each category whilst setting them against my criteria and whether each film conforms to it. Examples are the Indie and particularly musicals that I'll be looking closely at. Then I'll tot up the final scores...voila!
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Mikey Winners 5    v    Samie  Winners  3                Draws  3
Lord of Rings             Crouching T Hidden D      Saving Private Ryan/Casino                                                                                 
Life of Brian               Spotlight                           Senna OJ
12 Angry Men            The Incredibles                 Sing'in in the Rain/Chicago                                                                                                                                 
Silence of Lambs                                                                                                   
Jerry McGuire



Chakan   6                     Lastrador 4                   Draws 1
Die Hard                            Dogville                       Free Solo/Searching for Sugarman
Full Metal Jacket                There Will Be Blood
Ferris Bueller                     Se7en
American History X            Warrior
Aladdin
Pink Floyd
       
6-5-1 to Chakan (Lastrador's Wildcard counts double made it close)



Max Power   5              Robbie Red 5                           Draw 1
Oldboy                            The Matrix                            Four Lions/Infernal Affairs
Hot Fuzz                         One Flew Over
Bowling for Columbine   No Country for Old Men
Psycho                             Lion King
Two Escobars                  Fiddler on the Roof

5-5-1 Winner goes to Wildcard pick - Robbie Red just barely as Forrest Gump is good too.


Buck Pete  5                    Sheer Mag 4                         Draw 2
Blazing Saddles             Aliens                               Super Size Me/Cocaine Cowboys
Requiem for Dream       Goodfellas                        Where the Wind Blows/Akira
Reservoir Dogs              Mulholland Drive
Heat                         Caddyshack
Rocky Horror PS

5-4-2 to Buck Pete (his Wildcard makes it 6-4-2). 


Close games across the board.   My American sensibilities look like the biggest trends here. 
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I love how i;m not taken seriously only because it's me.  If someone else had the stable of films I have they'd be clear winners.

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It's a head to head, right? Okay so let's take this one by one.

Robocop vs Aliens
Robocop is one of the top 20 films of the 80’s and one of the 10 best action films of all-time, but Aliens is higher in both lists so I won’t feel bad about picking it apart just this once.

The first act is comparatively weak, especially compared to the intro to the marines in Aliens and the first battle against the xenomorphs. The subplot with Murphy’s family is also fairly dull – you don’t get the same feels you do with Ripley and the daughter she never got to see grow up. There’s real weight with her and Newt in a way there isn’t with Robocop and anyone else in that film.

Also, Aliens never got retrospectively ruined by this or this.

Training Day vs Goodfellas
The biggest mismatch in any match across this entire round.

Blazing Saddles vs Withnail & I
Blazing Saddles is very good but it can’t compare to the sheer quotability of Withnail, which also has the better soundtrack and is more original – Blazing Saddles lifted a big chunk from Support Your Local Sheriff.

Super Size Me vs Cocaine Cowboys
I’ve never really got the point of Super Size Me. Like, you can just say no when people ask you if you want to upgrade. Oh, a massive cola and fries has a lot of calories? You don't say! Cocaine Cowboys is all fascinating, is pretty much all new information and is about drugs, guns and hot women rather than downmarket restaurants.

Requiem for a Dream vs Citizen Kane
One of these films is endlessly rewarding, the other is something you never want to watch twice. I mean, just look at the writing in what is basically a throwaway scene. Amazing:

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/EOMeBoHASX8" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/EOMeBoHASX8</a>


Reservoir Dogs vs Trainspotting
Reservoir Dogs felt fresh at the time but it’s basically a glorified stage play. Trainspotting is cinema. And it has the better soundtrack and the more interesting characters - everyone in Reservoir Dogs is a two-dimensional crime movie stereotype.

Heat vs The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
Heat is a two-hander between actors who've each played at least five better roles in their careers. GBU is a three-hander between characters strong enough to define the careers of their respective actors. And it's arguably the defining film in its genre, Heat isn't even the best Michael Mann film.

Train to Busan vs Mulholland Drive
I haven’t seen Train to Busan so I can’t level any specific criticisms at it, except that zombies are played out. And Pete deserves to get voted against simply for picking this ahead of Parasite. Mulholland Drive is, obviously, a masterpiece and one of the sexiest films ever to boot.

When the Wind Blows vs Akira
Even putting aside how no one wants to even think about When the Wind Blows at this point in civilisation, Akira looks amazing and basically changed the face of animation. WtWB is basically a moving version of the book. And Akira has a radder apocalypse.

Rocky Horror Picture Show vs A Hard Day’s Night
I like Rocky Horror a lot but it has a really long stretch in the middle where not much happens, and the ending is weak. A Hard Day’s Night could work without the songs, and the songs on balance are probably better than in Rocky Horror.

Slapshot vs Caddyshack
There’s a reason why one of these films is regarded as a cult classic today and has had a documentary made about its filming while the other is largely forgotten. Caddyshack has at least five iconic scenes in. I still can’t remember any Slapshot scene I’m not 100% sure wasn’t actually in The Goon.

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Nice one - great thread  ;D

I haven't seen The Good, Bad & the Ugly for yonks
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I love how i;m not taken seriously only because it's me.  If someone else had the stable of films I have they'd be clear winners.

Actually, mate I thought you had a good shot when I first looked at it.  But then I thought both Casino and Saving Private Ryan were about the same --- my grandfather was at D-Day 8 and that movies reminds me of him.

Never saw either Senna or OJ nor either musical --- could not vote on those.  And he does have 5 big winners there that I have seen and enjoy.  You have some too, but it has nothing to do with you being a certain way mate.
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Had Chakan winning 5-4 with 2 draws

Chakan: Die Hard, Ferris Bueller, American History X, Pan's Labyrinth, Aladdin

Lastrador: There Will Be Blood, Se7en, La La Land, Warrior

Had RobbieRed winnning 5-4 with 2 draws

Max: Terminator 2, Forrest Gump, Psycho, Nightmare b/f Xmas

Robbie: Deer Hunter, The Hangover, When we were Kings, Lion King, Raging Bull

Had Sheer Mag winning 6-2 with 3 draws

Buck: Blazing Saddles, Reservoir Dogs

Sheer: Aliens, Goodfellas, Citizen Kane, The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, A Hard Day's Night, Caddyshack


As for my one, I'm obviously biased but think I'd win with a solid 11-0 result. Closest one would be WALL-E v Incredibles.

I managed to land 6 of my top 10 all time favourite films.

I agree with Samie that there is an overlap with the IMDB Top 250 in my list, but I have seen them all, obviously. The reason there is an overlap is, from the age of 12 onwards, I've been working through the list with my Dad. Whenever I can I go through the services I've signed up to and bookmark the ones I've left on my list. So when I watch a new film at home, I go to the list of films I've got recorded and chose one from there. Just find it a really useful tool for selecting a film to watch and getting to an wide variety of films, rather than falling into the trap of watching a few favourites all the time.
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went for Samie in game one, harsh on mikey with a great selection but in the end it was so close, spotlight was a brave selection and showed samie was genuinely picking his faves (not saying mikey wasn't)

game 2 just as close but went with chakan as seen all his films and its a great pick in general and there were 7 i haven't seen of lastradors, harsh but being honest

game 4 went with Buck Pate, so so close, Heat won me over , sorry sheer fantastic selection

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9 times out of 10 in the drafts I do I genuinely pick my favourite's rather than ones I know can get me more votes.  Look at the footie drafts do you honestly think I'm not aware of the players all of you lads choose to make your teams?  ;D

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Wow the voting is so close in all games and rightly so

Every team has a couple of films I simply have to sit and watch to the very end every time I come across them while channel surfing. :)

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Can't believe Samie is winning people over with his bullshit. Moaning about someone picking great films in an all-time movie draft as if it's impossible that someone's taste could match up similarly to general consensus.


Not everyone's opinions on films have to be super original, but to piss and moan just because you chose a list of second tier movies...





And he's getting credit for choosing Spotlight. That movie is nothing special, offers nothing memorable. I'd best describe it as somewhat interesting but leaning towards tedious. To give that credit over a film as incredibly beautiful and moving as Cinema Paradiso, is plain crazy. The plain explanation for that could only be someone hasn't seen it.

Out of the 11, I'd say I have 5 slam-dunk winners:

Life of Brian over Home Alone
Cinema Paradiso over Spotlight
12 Angry Men over The Rock
Silence of the Lambs over Halloween
Singin in the Rain over Chicago

The rest is a matter of taste, as Samie has got some great films in there. But to disagree on the above could only occur to uncultured swine  ;D
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I could've IMDB shitted out of evrey single one of your films Mikster. I bet you've not even seen half of the films you've picked.  :wave

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I could've IMDB shitted out of evrey single one of your films Mikster. I bet you've not even seen half of the films you've picked.  :wave


Then maybe you should have?


It's crazy that even you are admitting defeat, with what can clearly be seen as your frankly lame attempts to get the immunity vote for smack talk, but the voters haven't seen that.
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Like I said and i quote " in drafts I pick my favourites". I'm aware of evrey single film in your stable and I've seen 10 of them. But I chose to pick films that I really like/love. I can genuinely say the only film I'm pissed I didn't get is THE RAID which Fatty nicked from me. :wave

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Remember a vote for Samie is a vote for genuine love and appreciation of films. and not the plagiarising of IMDB's top 250 list.   :wave

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Hey leave me out of this.

You are the first in the crossfire in this all out war mate. You're a martyr.  We will honour you...someday...maybe never.

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Same. Picked films I absolutely love. As mentioned previously 6 out of the 11 would be in my top 10 ever (Life of Brian, Gladiator, WALL-E, Cinema Paradiso, 12 Angry Men, Singin' in the Rain), and the rest would sit comfortably in my top 25.

There are obviously films I missed out on as should happen in a draft. The fact you're saying you get your choice in 10 categories is staggering, especially if people then vote for those films, as that says they didn't want to pick them but don't mind voting for them which seems odd.

Even more odd is that anyone would start out with 10 of those films on their list, as there are a few that are absolutely nothing special.

All sounds like bullshit to me. The work of a blagger who felt the need to go on the attack immediately to get votes.
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My opponent resorting to desperate measures now. He clearly admitted he used IMDB's Top 250 list.  This is the words of a man who clearly just picked films that have a high rating. None of it's out of love. Remember lads, it's me,  it's Samie. 

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You are the first in the crossfire in this all out war mate. You're a martyr.  We will honour you...someday...maybe never.

Best way to honour someone is to give them votes in the other thread innit.
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My opponent resorting to desperate measures now. He clearly admitted he used IMDB's Top 250 list.  This is the words of a man who clearly just picked films that have a high rating. None of it's out of love. Remember lads, it's me,  it's Samie.

This post is leads to a diagnosis of clear inferiority complex about their team, resulting in child-like behaviour including diversionary tactics and petty insults.
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Best way to honour someone is to give them votes in the other thread innit.

Who said I haven't already Fat's?  :P 8)

This post is leads to a diagnosis of clear inferiority complex about their team, resulting in child-like behaviour including diversionary tactics and petty insults.

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PUR-LEASE! The fine people of RAWK have seen through your sham of rebuttal. You have no leg ot stand on, heck you have no roof to shelter in, you're singing standing in the rain. 

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You're really arguing hard for your team, for someone who's stated they don't care about the voting. Hmmm....
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A man has to eat to live. But what he eats may not be nice.

It’s not what your eating that’s shit, it’s what you’re talking!


Anyway, I see your wives have woken up. Went from 10-5 to 10-11 in about 2 hours. How many accounts do you actually have?  :P
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Still Losing...

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It’s not what your eating that’s shit, it’s what you’re talking!


Anyway, I see your wives have woken up. Went from 10-5 to 10-11 in about 2 hours. How many accounts do you actually have?  :P

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“To secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself.”

Alright Sun Tzu...  ::)
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 ;D

Finally an intellectual to go up against.  Had to bring out the big guns eventually, its' been a while.

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;D

Finally an intellectual to go up against.  Had to bring out the big guns eventually, its' been a while.

Haha, it's actually one of my favourite books. All of which you'll find listed in the top 250 of the IBDB (Internet Books Database).
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Haha, it's actually one of my favourite books. All of which you'll find listed in the top 250 of the IBDB (Internet Books Database).


 :lmao :lmao :lmao :lmao  Classic


You two are downright fucking funny!
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Lastrador on a wild card. Excellent choices, nip and tuck all the way down the line. For me The Wall did not constitute a musical whereas La La Land most definitely did. LA Confidential and Blood were inspired wildcards, high on my lists but There will Be Blood, just... and I mean just, edged it. Really good picks from both. Couldn't split Exorcist or Seven. 6-5-1
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Lastrador on a wild card. Excellent choices, nip and tuck all the way down the line. For me The Wall did not constitute a musical whereas La La Land most definitely did. LA Confidential and Blood were inspired wildcards, high on my lists but There will Be Blood, just... and I mean just, edged it. Really good picks from both. Couldn't split Exorcist or Seven. 12-10-1

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