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« Reply #960 on: June 27, 2017, 01:34:06 pm »
OK I'll bite before Alan comes along and deletes the post. Crisis Actor is from the lexicon of conspiracy nutjobs. So how can you tell that they are crisis actors in the background? Could they not just be people? Or could you see their equity card?

And, here's the big question, why? Why on earth would a shadowy cabal want to insert actors into a disaster scenario?


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« Reply #961 on: June 27, 2017, 01:34:31 pm »
Watch the video first mate

Why would we? When someone daft enough to visit such a stupid website and consider it in some way truthful, having personally appraised it as a 'russian conspiracy site', I think it's safe to say it's toxic shite.

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« Reply #962 on: June 27, 2017, 01:35:54 pm »
Unbelievable.

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« Reply #963 on: June 27, 2017, 01:36:00 pm »
Watch the video first mate

What video. The only information is that it is on a conspiracy site and in Russian. I am not trawling a conspiracy site, because stupid appears to be contagious.

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« Reply #964 on: June 27, 2017, 01:38:09 pm »
What video. The only information is that it is on a conspiracy site and in Russian. I am not trawling a conspiracy site, because stupid appears to be contagious.
It's a bollocks youtube channel mate

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« Reply #965 on: June 27, 2017, 01:40:48 pm »
The reporter was British interview was in London crisis actors were laughing. If you can't watch video don't make stupid replies.

Listen mate, ask yourself some questions first before posting shite! If you need people here to ask those questions for you, then your either too lazy or too stupid - either way, don't bother in the first place.
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« Reply #966 on: June 27, 2017, 01:41:28 pm »
I've just deleted the posts my point is crisis actors are being used and there's obviously some hidden agenda going on.

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« Reply #967 on: June 27, 2017, 01:45:12 pm »
I've just deleted the posts my point is crisis actors are being used and there's obviously some hidden agenda going on.

Fuck off mate. Not needed on this site. You're the kind of twat that no doubt believes Sandy Hook was staged. If you're that credulous I feel sorry for you.
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« Reply #968 on: June 27, 2017, 01:45:25 pm »
I've just deleted the posts my point is crisis actors are being used and there's obviously some hidden agenda going on.

Can you delete this one as well?

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« Reply #969 on: June 27, 2017, 01:45:41 pm »
I've just deleted the posts my point is crisis actors are being used and there's obviously some hidden agenda going on.

This is a strange and novel use of the word obviously.

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« Reply #970 on: June 27, 2017, 01:49:20 pm »
I've just deleted the posts my point is crisis actors are being used and there's obviously some hidden agenda going on.

What are "crisis actors"? Do they only appear in conspiracy videos?

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« Reply #972 on: June 27, 2017, 01:50:18 pm »
Anyone else feeling the need to post shite like that can apply for a permanent ban here.

The same disgusting creeps come out of the woodwork after every attack talking about 'false flags', 'crisis actors' and the like. 
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« Reply #973 on: June 27, 2017, 01:53:37 pm »
I had to look it up:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crisis_actor

Boy, there really is an alternative universe out there inhabited by people with strange needs.

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« Reply #974 on: June 27, 2017, 01:55:14 pm »
I had to look it up:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Crisis_actor

Sandy Hook is the most despicable example. Parents who lost their children are regularly harrassed by utter c*nts who believe this shite. It's beyond disgusting. Imagine not just losing your child in a horrific shooting but then having some prick who believes any old shit they read in the 'alternative media' sending death threats and publishing your home address online.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/02/sandy-hook-school-hoax-massacre-conspiracists-victim-father
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« Reply #975 on: June 27, 2017, 01:56:15 pm »
Can you delete this one as well?

He's gone. We'll leave it up as a warning.
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« Reply #976 on: June 27, 2017, 01:56:58 pm »
He's gone. We'll leave it up as a warning.

Noone laugh at this. Omar might think you're in on it if you do!

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« Reply #977 on: June 27, 2017, 01:58:45 pm »
Boy, there really is an alternative universe out there inhabited by people with strange needs.
I hope Omar realises what he's viewing is disinformation and utter nonsense, surely the promotion of the the flat earth idea should put him off that and other channels.

Or alternatively get your arse down to Grenfell Tower and see it for yourself, you'll soon shut the fuck up up about crisis actors

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« Reply #978 on: June 27, 2017, 02:00:11 pm »
I hope Omar realises what he's viewing is disinformation and utter nonsense, surely the promotion of the the flat earth idea should put him off that and other channels.

Or alternatively get your arse down to Grenfell Tower and see it for yourself, you'll soon shut the fuck up up about crisis actors

Unfortunately it won't it'll just reinforce the crazy.

Have a "friend" on facebook who believes all manner of conspiracy theories. 9/11, Chemtrails, Vaccines and the list goes on. Absolute nutter.

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« Reply #979 on: June 27, 2017, 02:02:18 pm »
He's gone. We'll leave it up as a warning.

I wouldn't have banned him, just given him a little break.
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« Reply #980 on: June 27, 2017, 02:06:10 pm »
I wouldn't have banned him, just given him a little break.

No mate - it's despicable shite. There are 'crisis actor' videos that show people who escaped and relatives of those who died with captions like 'crisis actor award'. It is fucking subhuman to treat people like that.
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« Reply #981 on: June 27, 2017, 02:07:00 pm »
I wouldn't have banned him, just given him a little break.

Tend to agree if that was his first offence of this kind. Now we can't engage him/her and get them to see these conspiracy sites/theories for what they are.

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« Reply #982 on: June 27, 2017, 02:08:16 pm »
Tend to agree if that was his first offence of this kind. Now we can't engage him/her and get them to see these conspiracy sites/theories for what they are.

As if you can reason with people like that.

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« Reply #983 on: June 27, 2017, 02:09:22 pm »
Tend to agree if that was his first offence of this kind. Now we can't engage him/her and get them to see these conspiracy sites/theories for what they are.

He's posted colossal shite many times before

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« Reply #984 on: June 27, 2017, 02:09:25 pm »
As if you can reason with people like that.

You're probably right - I didn't see the posts before they were deleted.

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« Reply #985 on: June 27, 2017, 02:18:29 pm »
As if you can reason with people like that.

Once someone believes that shite they're beyond help. I tried on here a few years back - mostly focused on 9/11 - but when they lose a sense of reality and are willing to believe something so horrendous as the Grenfell Tower fire being faked it's a waste of time.
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« Reply #986 on: June 27, 2017, 02:38:52 pm »
I cannot believe there are people that think it's just "another conspiracy."  :butt :butt :butt

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« Reply #987 on: June 27, 2017, 02:42:11 pm »
I cannot believe there are people that think it's just "another conspiracy."  :butt :butt :butt

I posted this eleven years ago:

Someone has to. It's one of my interests, particularly trying to understand what it is about these stories that are so enthralling to so many people. I worry about the general dumbing down and sensationalism that is represented by these people and am very suspicious about the agenda of people like Alex Jones. I grew up reading Pilger, Hersch, Paul Foot etc.. serious investigative journalists who expose particular crimes by particular people using clear unambiguous evidence. 

I also disagree with the argument that it's ok for people to represent the truth as a matter of opinion.

Of course it's mindless tripe, but if people believe it what else will they believe?

Sadly it's getting worse with more people relying on alternative media for their 'news'.
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« Reply #988 on: June 27, 2017, 04:12:04 pm »
I posted this eleven years ago:

Sadly it's getting worse with more people relying on alternative media for their 'news'.

I agree, some of the stuff that I have seen on social media is mind boggling!!  Anyone can create "news" nowadays, and get it out to lots of people.

Pilger was / is a fantastic journalist, not many of them around anymore.  I grew up watching World In Action back in the 80s.

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« Reply #989 on: June 27, 2017, 04:15:10 pm »
I posted this eleven years ago:

Sadly it's getting worse with more people relying on alternative media for their 'news'.

That's interesting Alan. Two of the journalists you mention have caught the conspiracy bug themselves. John Pilger is one. Seymour Hersch - spectacularly - is the other.
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« Reply #990 on: June 27, 2017, 04:30:39 pm »
That's interesting Alan. Two of the journalists you mention have caught the conspiracy bug themselves. John Pilger is one. Seymour Hersch - spectacularly - is the other.

I thought you may have said that.  He's done a lot about the "War on Terror" recently, not conspiracy nonsense, just interesting to get a different perspective on things

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« Reply #991 on: June 27, 2017, 04:46:29 pm »
I thought you may have said that.  He's done a lot about the "War on Terror" recently, not conspiracy nonsense, just interesting to get a different perspective on things



His stuff on the Balkans is genocide-denying conspiracy nonsense. Wary of going into it, but since a mod was discussing Pilger, here's a good example of him being called out for his bullshit here https://storify.com/pauloCanning/oliver-kamm-vs-john-pilger

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« Reply #992 on: June 27, 2017, 05:07:13 pm »
His stuff on the Balkans is genocide-denying conspiracy nonsense. Wary of going into it, but since a mod was discussing Pilger, here's a good example of him being called out for his bullshit here https://storify.com/pauloCanning/oliver-kamm-vs-john-pilger

Interesting, however, one mistake doesn't discredit him totally.
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« Reply #993 on: June 27, 2017, 05:16:01 pm »
We are now living in such dangerous times, where reported news is considered "fake" and conspiracy is treated as fact.

This entire page should be split off into a new topic, "how important are lies"?
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« Reply #994 on: June 27, 2017, 05:17:40 pm »
You lads and all our emergency services are the very backbone of any society that has the temerity - or in the case of this present Tory mob, the bloody bare-faced cheek! - to call itself civilised. Great personal commitment and absolute valour when that brown stuff hits the spinning thing and the balloon goes up. Thanks a million to you all Albie.

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« Reply #995 on: June 27, 2017, 06:11:12 pm »
Interesting, however, one mistake doesn't discredit him totally.

It's rather more than one "mistake" (which he made systematically by the way). Pilger has said several times that 9/11 was probably an 'inside job' - that the Americans knew the attack was coming and deliberately let the planes hit their targets.
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« Reply #996 on: June 27, 2017, 06:33:25 pm »
We are now living in such dangerous times, where reported news is considered "fake" and conspiracy is treated as fact.

This entire page should be split off into a new topic, "how important are lies"?

I imagine it's a basic issue of trust. People who come out with this stuff likely don't trust the government, politicians, news outlets, the police. So with that they create their own narrative because their trust levels are so low. It fuels a lot of the conspiracy theories in question, IMO.



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« Reply #997 on: June 27, 2017, 06:38:22 pm »
It's rather more than one "mistake" (which he made systematically by the way). Pilger has said several times that 9/11 was probably an 'inside job' - that the Americans knew the attack was coming and deliberately let the planes hit their targets.

I have seen all his DVDs, including the ones on the "War on Terror."  I have his boxset. 

I could go on, but lets not derail the thread anymore.


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« Reply #998 on: June 27, 2017, 06:44:46 pm »
That's interesting Alan. Two of the journalists you mention have caught the conspiracy bug themselves. John Pilger is one. Seymour Hersch - spectacularly - is the other.

I know. Interesting to read that back after ten years.
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« Reply #999 on: June 27, 2017, 07:30:59 pm »
Strange that Scotland have said they haven't found much wrong with their cladding have they got different building regulations?
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