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The incoming Tory Tax Cuts..

Brilliant! With everyone struggling at the moment, a few hundred quid would be most welcome
Maybe a small one, but money should be spent on failing public services
I am an egg and I like cheese and fluffy squirrels called Bob. Bob the Fluffy squirrel is my fave babes.
There shouldn't be a tax cut when public services are already so broken. Keep spending what we are
Far more investment is needed in this country. Spend the money where it's needed now and fuck this stupid Austerity shite.

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« Reply #20480 on: November 27, 2022, 04:26:53 pm »
Was just reading an article about Michelle Mone. I look at us and the United states and you can't believe how corrupt we are. The West is so quick to point the finger at African nations, south America etc for corruption but we seem to do it in plain sight and that somehow gives it legitimacy.

The point is our corruption is built in with the establishment. It’s like a birth right: go to the right school, make the right connections, become an MP, get your snout in the trough. Rinse & Repeat. They don’t see it as something grubby like they have in third world nations. It’s a class thing. The nouveau riche oiks who make money & want to join their club are just useful tools for keeping things as they are.
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« Reply #20481 on: November 27, 2022, 04:30:17 pm »
Infruriating.
And that gobshite Matt Hancock is living it up on the telly as if he's a lovely bloke. Bastards.

It is infuriating and ultimately nothing will be done about it. There won't be anyone going to prison for a £29million fraud. Nowadays I try to steer clear of these stories because it just feels like we the minions are just treated like absolute idiots and there is very little we can do about it. Feels like we live in George Orwells 1984 where a group of people set the narrative and we are more bothered about winning postcode lotteries, competitions on ITV or voting for Matt Hancock on a Celebrity show. Too depressing.
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« Reply #20482 on: November 27, 2022, 09:31:51 pm »
It is infuriating and ultimately nothing will be done about it. There won't be anyone going to prison for a £29million fraud. Nowadays I try to steer clear of these stories because it just feels like we the minions are just treated like absolute idiots and there is very little we can do about it. Feels like we live in George Orwells 1984 where a group of people set the narrative and we are more bothered about winning postcode lotteries, competitions on ITV or voting for Matt Hancock on a Celebrity show. Too depressing.
Sensible approach.  I still read them and still get wound up by them and still do ultimately very little about them.

If we ever get arsed enough as a country to right some of these outrageous wrongs - either by law (ha!) or by force - I'd like to think I'd get involved but it's definitely the case that as you have more to lose (family, home, career etc.) you become more indifferent.  One thing's for sure, I won't be the spark that kicks things off but I do at least not try to be one of the masses sneering at people doing their best to be that spark.

Hancock should be greeted on his exit from "the jungle" by police with handcuffs and lined up with the rest of the tosspots for treason but we're more likely to spot a flock of flying pigs.

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« Reply #20483 on: November 28, 2022, 08:43:25 am »
The point is our corruption is built in with the establishment. It’s like a birth right: go to the right school, make the right connections, become an MP, get your snout in the trough. Rinse & Repeat. They don’t see it as something grubby like they have in third world nations. It’s a class thing. The nouveau riche oiks who make money & want to join their club are just useful tools for keeping things as they are.

It's built into our establishment, but only a relatively small number can take advantage of it. In other countries, it seems, that corruption is everywhere.  I seem to remember reading of a couple that moved to France. They couldn't do anything to their house to make it habitable without planning permission. Granted by the mayor of the small town.  And it was made clear that grant would only happen if palms were greased.  I don't know if it's better or worse, but it seems there are parts of the world where corruption is everywhere.
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« Reply #20484 on: November 28, 2022, 09:22:29 am »
It's built into our establishment, but only a relatively small number can take advantage of it. In other countries, it seems, that corruption is everywhere.  I seem to remember reading of a couple that moved to France. They couldn't do anything to their house to make it habitable without planning permission. Granted by the mayor of the small town.  And it was made clear that grant would only happen if palms were greased.  I don't know if it's better or worse, but it seems there are parts of the world where corruption is everywhere.

Our corruption is classist.  In other countries, it is open to most who have a bit of money (buying a driving licence without passing a test, for example).  In contrast, it is very much closed shop for the rich, wealthy and the establishment, in the UK.

We even have rampant inequality with our corruption  ;)

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« Reply #20485 on: November 28, 2022, 11:05:30 am »
Our corruption is classist. 

We even have rampant inequality with our corruption  ;)

Definitely. And the divide will become greater.
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« Reply #20486 on: November 29, 2022, 08:59:49 am »
How the English people continue to put up with this I'll never know, any other country would be marching on the Houses of Parliament with torches and pitchforks.

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« Reply #20487 on: November 29, 2022, 09:04:45 am »
How the English people continue to put up with this I'll never know, any other country would be marching on the Houses of Parliament with torches and pitchforks.

I think, generally, English/uk people are small c conservative about a lot of things. We’re also brought up not to make a fuss, queue like an adult & an be respectful towards authority. There’s always that “things could be worse” attitude too, like the unionist counter protestor I mentioned earlier in this thread holding up his banner that said “if it ain’t broke, don’t try to fix it” when the union & democracy in general is very much broken & unfit for purpose.
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« Reply #20488 on: November 29, 2022, 04:10:08 pm »
Wow.  Well I guess it's best to be safe than sorry mate.

Just to update if anyone’s interested, now two cases in my daughters school including one in her year.

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« Reply #20489 on: November 29, 2022, 04:20:48 pm »
Just to update if anyone’s interested, now two cases in my daughters school including one in her year.

We’re heading back to the 1930s.

We sure are mate.  Have they prescribed antibiotics for her year now then?

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« Reply #20490 on: November 29, 2022, 05:36:13 pm »
News everywhere about Tory rats like Hancock desperately leaving a sinking ship - in his case to pursue a career outside politics.

Mark Wallace (a particularly odious individual) has for years written a monthly full page spread in the iPaper, extolling various Tory horridness. In today’s iPaper, his piece has added, for the first time to it’s strapline, ‘Mark Wallace is Chief Executive of Conservative Home’ the extra line, ‘a blog that is independent of the Conservative Party’. Protecting his livelihood you could say. I’d prefer a different explanation.
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« Reply #20491 on: November 29, 2022, 07:26:31 pm »
We sure are mate.  Have they prescribed antibiotics for her year now then?

No antibiotics, the school are saying they will take measures like extra hand washing, closing the drinking fountains but that’s about it. My daughters class is pretty full still, but some of the others classes are pretty empty as parents are keeping their kids home and I suspect it will be a lot worse after todays news.

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« Reply #20492 on: November 29, 2022, 07:38:37 pm »
No antibiotics, the school are saying they will take measures like extra hand washing, closing the drinking fountains but that’s about it. My daughters class is pretty full still, but some of the others classes are pretty empty as parents are keeping their kids home and I suspect it will be a lot worse after todays news.

Will wait for Mrs WLR to get home from work before we decide what to do with ours.

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« Reply #20493 on: November 29, 2022, 08:27:23 pm »
No antibiotics, the school are saying they will take measures like extra hand washing, closing the drinking fountains but that’s about it. My daughters class is pretty full still, but some of the others classes are pretty empty as parents are keeping their kids home and I suspect it will be a lot worse after todays news.

Will wait for Mrs WLR to get home from work before we decide what to do with ours.

I think I'd probably be pulling her out of school but I know that's easier said than done when you both work.


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« Reply #20494 on: November 29, 2022, 09:06:00 pm »
I think I'd probably be pulling her out of school but I know that's easier said than done when you both work.



Childcare isn’t such an issue as my parents can look after the kids during the day, it’s just how long it could drag on for and how much schooling they have already missed because of Covid. My daughters doing ok, but my sons speech is already a year behind where he should be. He’s still at nursery so different place to my daughter, but obviously the kids have siblings at my daughters school and the other one where the first cases were.
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« Reply #20495 on: November 29, 2022, 09:07:45 pm »
Childcare isn’t such an issue as my parents can look after the kids during the day, it’s just how long it could drag on for and how much schooling they have already missed because of Covid. My daughters doing ok, but my sons speech is already a year behind where he should be. He’s still at nursery so different place to my daughter, but obviously the kids have siblings at my daughters school and the other one where the first cases were.

Tough one mate.  I don't envy you at all.

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« Reply #20496 on: November 30, 2022, 02:48:15 pm »
The guardian have Become very good at investigative journalism.    Most of the water companies in this country we now owned by foreign entities.    Another win for the Tories

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« Reply #20497 on: November 30, 2022, 03:16:01 pm »
The guardian have Become very good at investigative journalism.    Most of the water companies in this country we now owned by foreign entities.    Another win for the Tories


They are good at it (one of the few media outlets willing to look at the corruption and shysterism at the heart of this country)

Most of the larger energy companies are foreign-owned; some of the railway TOCs, too.

The sale of the family silver to fund the decline of the country has been going on since that evil bitch was PM

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« Reply #20498 on: November 30, 2022, 06:34:05 pm »

They are good at it (one of the few media outlets willing to look at the corruption and shysterism at the heart of this country)

Most of the larger energy companies are foreign-owned; some of the railway TOCs, too.

The sale of the family silver to fund the decline of the country has been going on since that evil bitch was PM


It's wrong for our govt to own them to generate dosh for our pensions, but its ok for other countries govts to own our stuff to pay for their pensions.
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« Reply #20499 on: November 30, 2022, 07:16:28 pm »
It's wrong for our govt to own them to generate dosh for our pensions, but its ok for other countries govts to own our stuff to pay for their pensions.

And in some cases our industries are owned by other countries NATIONALISED industries.

You couldn’t make it up.

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« Reply #20500 on: November 30, 2022, 07:52:32 pm »
It's wrong for our govt to own them to generate dosh for our pensions, but its ok for other countries govts to own our stuff to pay for their pensions.

From a national security perspective, we are in such a bad place!  I think we are unique amongst our peers - I don't think any other country has so much exposure to foreigh capital, in regards to nationally important infrastructure.
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« Reply #20501 on: November 30, 2022, 08:28:12 pm »
This is why I'm so fascinated by starmers energy company.
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« Reply #20502 on: December 1, 2022, 01:36:04 pm »
How the English people continue to put up with this I'll never know, any other country would be marching on the Houses of Parliament with torches and pitchforks.

They are too busy fuming over innocent desperate people in rubber boats to consider the damage being done to their own rights and existence.

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« Reply #20503 on: December 1, 2022, 01:46:43 pm »
They are too busy fuming over innocent desperate people in rubber boats to consider the damage being done to their own rights and existence.

Sadly that is so true. £7 million a day in hotels I've heard claimed, Alex Brooker said on the Last Leg, Truss is costing us £28m an HOUR with her time as PM
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« Reply #20504 on: December 1, 2022, 01:49:57 pm »
They are too busy fuming over innocent desperate people in rubber boats to consider the damage being done to their own rights and existence.


All by design. Look at the prolonged propaganda war waged by the right-wing media (mostly owned by tax-dodging billionaires), using misleading bullshit and lies to make their readership blame groups like trade unions, benefit 'scoungers', immigrants, the EU, 'wokeists', etc for their lives being shitty in comparison to the footballers and pop singers and reality TV 'stars' and other 'famous for being a celebrity' nonentities whose 'glamourous' and privileged lives are plastered over everywhere with the insinuated tagline of "this is what you all should aim for because you're a worthless piece of shit with a crappy life if you don't"

Everything designed to keep people at the hamster wheel and stop us looking at the billionaires and going "Hang on, this isn't right..."

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« Reply #20505 on: December 1, 2022, 01:59:26 pm »
The guardian have Become very good at investigative journalism.    Most of the water companies in this country we now owned by foreign entities.    Another win for the Tories

Yes it's a superb article:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/01/water-companies-debts-since-privatisation-ofwat-refuses-impose-limits

Where do our extortionate water bills go? Not infrastructure costs, not operating costs, not greening the service. They go straight into the pockets of the shareholders - most of which are banks, equity firms and foreign pension funds.

A more straightforward case for Public Ownership I cannot imagine - although it would be nice to get those 'shareholders' to pay off the gigantic debts they've worked up first. Then the State can buy the companies for the proverbial one quid.
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« Reply #20506 on: December 1, 2022, 02:05:12 pm »
Yes it's a superb article:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/01/water-companies-debts-since-privatisation-ofwat-refuses-impose-limits

Where do our extortionate water bills go? Not infrastructure costs, not operating costs, not greening the service. They go straight into the pockets of the shareholders - most of which are banks, equity firms and foreign pension funds.

A more straightforward case for Public Ownership I cannot imagine - although it would be nice to get those 'shareholders' to pay off the gigantic debts they've worked up first. Then the State can buy the companies for the proverbial one quid.
Maybe it could be engineered that the water companies could be bankrupted (through new regulatory requirements made of them), then taken over by the Government for nothing.
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« Reply #20507 on: December 1, 2022, 02:06:54 pm »
Sadly that is so true. £7 million a day in hotels I've heard claimed, Alex Brooker said on the Last Leg, Truss is costing us £28m an HOUR with her time as PM


Thing is, they could spend that money on proper processing centres with decent facilities, then open a method/system where people can apply for asylum/entry to the UK without needing the risk their lives in dinghies.

Instead, they predictably follow the shyster approach of outsourcing to arsehole private companies like G4S, Capita, Mitie, whose primary objective is to maximise profit, so we get situations like Manston where the accomodation is rat-infested, cold, unsanitary, etc.


This is from Wiki, discussin the 'Tinsley Model' (which was more a 'removal centre' but the principle should be the same:

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The original senior management of Tinsley House, specifically the centre director and its operations manager, pioneered an adapted version of Wackenhut's philosophy of "Dynamic Security" that promoted a regime of caring custody, emphasising positive relations between staff and detainees and encouraging the respectful and sensitive handling of all detainee related issues.

This concerned approach towards detainee management was quickly embraced by the centre's chaplain, who reinforced the existing commitment to caring custody through the creation of specialised training programmes for the centre's staff and by increasing the size and diversity of the centre's chaplaincy team.

With the active support of the centre's senior management, the Tinsley House chaplaincy set about the task of addressing in detail the dietary, cultural, religious and social needs of the centre's population inviting a variety of religious ministers and representatives of cultural groups to attend the centre to provide pastoral support. Tinsley House became the first detention centre in the United Kingdom to operate a comprehensive regime of religious and cultural observance and to operate a diversity of permanent religious facilities.

The attention to religious and cultural needs combined with an overt commitment on the part of the detention centre staff towards treating those in their custody with care and sensitivity began to impact the environment and operations at Tinsley House. Detainees would write messages of appreciation to members of staff noting their efforts of assistance and staff would regularly form respectful friendships with those in their charge.

The product of this regime, which became known as the "Tinsley Model" was to result in an environment which, during its first decade of operations, incurred no incidence of death, riot or disturbance; a performance which remains unmatched in the history of the UK Immigration Service.

The "Tinsley Model" attracted the attention of the Prince of Wales as well as numerous religious and political leaders and was cited as being a graphic example of the effectiveness of "caring custody".[28]

In December 2001 the senior chaplain of Tinsley House authored a report to the Home Secretary detailing the essence of the Tinsley Model, recording its positive effects and outlining how this regime might be exported throughout the Immigration estate. The report was signed by sixteen bishops, four leading Muslim clerics, representatives of the Sikh and Hindu communities, four members of the House of Lords and the Member of Parliament for Crawley.

The Home Office response to this proposal was to pass it to the Immigration Minister who forwarded it to the head of the Immigration Service who in turn requested that it be actioned by the director responsible for Detention Operations. The Detention Operations department of the Immigration Service did not accept the findings of the report and expressed their displeasure at the centre's operating company (now Group 4) "interfering" in government policy issues and which resulted in the suspension of the centre's senior chaplain.

A month after this report was published; the newest facility in the Immigration estate, the £40 million Yarl's Wood detention centre near Bedford was largely destroyed by fire as a result of altercations between staff and detainees.

With a lack of support from the Immigration Service, the introduction of Group 4's management style (with its largely prison based philosophies) and the departure of the centre's original management team, the "Tinsley Model" became increasingly difficult to maintain resulting in a decline in the centre's previously caring regime.

In 2009 an unannounced inspection of Tinsley House by HM Chief Inspector of Prisons reported that "conditions had generally deteriorated and the arrangements for children and single women were now wholly unacceptable" and that "staff talked openly about an increased prison culture encroaching on Tinsley House's previously relaxed atmosphere".[29] The gradual erosion of the centre's initial regime of "Caring Custody" effectively marked the end of the "Tinsley Model" and with it the dynamic of the chaplaincy's intensive pastoral care which had been a fundamental feature of the model.
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« Reply #20508 on: December 1, 2022, 02:12:24 pm »
Yes it's a superb article:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/dec/01/water-companies-debts-since-privatisation-ofwat-refuses-impose-limits

Where do our extortionate water bills go? Not infrastructure costs, not operating costs, not greening the service. They go straight into the pockets of the shareholders - most of which are banks, equity firms and foreign pension funds.

A more straightforward case for Public Ownership I cannot imagine - although it would be nice to get those 'shareholders' to pay off the gigantic debts they've worked up first. Then the State can buy the companies for the proverbial one quid.


Yep  :thumbup

I posted something similar a few months ago. Before privatisation, the then Tory Govt forgave all the debts accrued by the state-owned water companies (the taxpayer absorbed the cost... >:() so the privatised companies could start with a clean slate (and guarantee instant profit for the spivs and shysters who invested)

Since then, they have borrowed around £55bn.

And piad out in dividends around £65bn

They've just leveraged the financial strength of the water companies to borrow money to pay the parasites huge dividends.

I do really like Jiminy's idea to regulate them into bankruptcy then take them into public ownership.

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« Reply #20509 on: December 1, 2022, 06:00:17 pm »
So BoJo has confirmed that he’s going to stand as MP for Uxbridge at the next election, his majority is 7,200 so based on current polling will be comfortably taken by Labour.

What’s his angle here? His chances of retaining his seat are slim and he won’t relish standing there on election night as he loses his seat, it will be up there with Portillo in 1997 in terms of a memorability, so why’s he doing it? What am I missing?
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Re: The Tories. Smelly bellends.
« Reply #20510 on: December 1, 2022, 06:06:14 pm »
He just wants the photo op, conciliatory handshake with Lord Buckethead.
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Re: The Tories. Smelly bellends.
« Reply #20511 on: December 1, 2022, 06:18:28 pm »
So BoJo has confirmed that he’s going to stand as MP for Uxbridge at the next election, his majority is 7,200 so based on current polling will be comfortably taken by Labour.

What’s his angle here? His chances of retaining his seat are slim and he won’t relish standing there on election night as he loses his seat, it will be up there with Portillo in 1997 in terms of a memorability, so why’s he doing it? What am I missing?

Maybe his ego won't allow him to retire, or maybe he's trying to spook the party so that they offer him a safe seat?  Or maybe he's so full of himself he thinks he can buck the trend?
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« Reply #20512 on: December 1, 2022, 07:03:32 pm »
He just wants the photo op, conciliatory handshake with Lord Buckethead.
Maybe there should be a pact between the other Parties agree to stand aside to allow for a head-to-head between Lord Buckethead and Johnson. :)
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Re: The Tories. Smelly bellends.
« Reply #20513 on: December 1, 2022, 09:46:13 pm »
So BoJo has confirmed that he’s going to stand as MP for Uxbridge at the next election, his majority is 7,200 so based on current polling will be comfortably taken by Labour.

What’s his angle here? His chances of retaining his seat are slim and he won’t relish standing there on election night as he loses his seat, it will be up there with Portillo in 1997 in terms of a memorability, so why’s he doing it? What am I missing?

His angle will be....

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« Reply #20514 on: December 1, 2022, 10:06:21 pm »
So BoJo has confirmed that he’s going to stand as MP for Uxbridge at the next election, his majority is 7,200 so based on current polling will be comfortably taken by Labour.

What’s his angle here? His chances of retaining his seat are slim and he won’t relish standing there on election night as he loses his seat, it will be up there with Portillo in 1997 in terms of a memorability, so why’s he doing it? What am I missing?
He has no fear.  Because he has no sense of self awareness or shame.

There is still a chance he loses his seat through a recall petition before then anyway.

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« Reply #20515 on: December 1, 2022, 10:46:56 pm »
First time I’ve watched Sunak on PMQs this week, and jeez is he one smug twat. I mean, I know, what did I expect? But Christ on a bike, he’s out-smugged even the smuggest of the feckers there. He needed twatting round the head with a frying pan at the end by some mad Labour MP, like Rick on Neil in the Young Ones…. “Clang….Now shut up!”

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« Reply #20516 on: December 2, 2022, 01:56:02 am »
Tory voters not going to the polls in Chester.
Is Chester a bellwether constituency?

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« Reply #20517 on: December 2, 2022, 02:09:15 am »
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City of Chester parliamentary by-election, result:

LAB: 61.2% (+11.6)
CON: 22.4% (-15.9)
LDEM: 8.4% (+1.5)
GRN: 2.8% (+0.1)
REF: 2.7% (+0.2)
REU: 1.0% (+1.0)
UKIP: 0.6% (+0.6)
MRLP: 0.6% (+0.6)
FA: 0.3% (+0.3)

https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1598495333725753346

Tory voters not going to the polls in Chester.
Is Chester a bellwether constituency?

It was traditionally very Tory until it flipped to Labour in 1997. The Tories then won it back in 2010 before Labour edged it by just 93 votes in 2015. It has been a reasonably safe seat for Labour for the past couple of elections.

This result shows a 13.8% swing to Labour from the Tories which is slightly smaller than most polls are currently suggesting but would still be devastating for the Tories if repeated in a general election.
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Re: The Tories. Smelly bellends.
« Reply #20518 on: December 2, 2022, 02:11:17 am »
Plus Bye-Elections always have a lower voter turn out too, but even with that the Tory vote has collapsed. ;D
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« Reply #20519 on: December 2, 2022, 08:01:24 am »
Over 6,300 people in Chester in spite of everything this year decided the best way forward for the country was to vote Conservative. Staggering!