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Safe Standing ( split from: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield)
Peter McGurk:
--- Quote from: Appreciator of former strikers on January 21, 2013, 02:40:08 pm ---pretty much. increasing capacity to 60,000 should make cheaper seats in the long term hopefully.
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Dream on. Building seats costs a lot more money than fitting standing places.
And the prices cat is out of the bag. There has to be a radical re-think that gives the clubs the money they need to compete and gives greater access to the 'ordinary fan'.
Vulmea:
--- Quote from: Peter McGurk on January 21, 2013, 01:27:51 pm ---The problem was (and might expected by some to be) - Hooliganism. As sponsors at the time, the Milk Marketing Board dropped the league like a stone after Heysel.
The introduction of all-seater stadium, tickets with names on, addresses, cameras, more stewards, has (largely) nailed Hooliganism as we knew it in the 80s. It was either all that or ID cards.
There's nothing in the rail safe standing system that opens the door to that coming back. Everyone still has a pre-bought ticket. Everyone is still known. Everyone is still closely watched.
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I'm not sure these are the reasons, as I understand it the prime reason the Police dont want standing is psychological - a sitting crowd is easier to handle and manipulate than a standing one because its less disposed to aggression and confrontation. The atmosphere at grounds has deliberately been cooled down.
I suspect standing will eventually be back because there is a demand from the punters for it - the hypocrisy of standing at european games and away games shows it - the experience of standing to watch is simply more enjoyable for the very reasons the police dont want it. Money will talk eventually though.
I must admit I find the idea of the Kop acting like performing seals for some rich corporates offensive. Come see the working class, look what they do, isn't it fascinating ..........and they talk with a funny accent dont you know.........
Peter McGurk:
--- Quote from: Vulmea on January 21, 2013, 05:11:40 pm ---I'm not sure these are the reasons, as I understand it the prime reason the Police dont want standing is psychological - a sitting crowd is easier to handle and manipulate than a standing one because its less disposed to aggression and confrontation. The atmosphere at grounds has deliberately been cooled down.
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The reason for all-seating is to control hooliganism [as stated in the Taylor Report]
And there's a big difference between watching a performing seal and participating in a special night at Anfield. Everyone is part of it. Even watching it on the box.
CraigDS:
--- Quote from: Vulmea on January 21, 2013, 05:11:40 pm ---I must admit I find the idea of the Kop acting like performing seals for some rich corporates offensive. Come see the working class, look what they do, isn't it fascinating ..........and they talk with a funny accent dont you know.........
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I'm not sure that's the right way to look at it.
For one its talking about getting it back to how it once was for other reasons than to bring in corporates. Secondly the Kop has always been a big draw to visitors - hence you see people getting pics towards it, etc. all the time. It what happens when something is 'different' to the normal which the Kop once was.
Also, it's not just scousers who will be on it, and plenty of scousers will be in the 'normal' seats and in the corporates too so looking at it as a scousers in the Kop and everyone else in other seats doesn't ring true to me.
owens_2k:
Whats steps would need to be taken in order for safe standing to be brought back into English football? And what are the chances of it ever happening?
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