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Safe Standing ( split from: Liverpool confirm decision to redevelop Anfield)
Eeyore:
--- Quote from: Macred on May 24, 2020, 08:13:47 am ---Good grief. Keep going Peter and he might actually get the point. Apparently in a seated stadium fans magically arrive pre-seated in their seats, so nobody walks on the stairwells where massing and crushing is most likely to occur. And seating magically controls numbers where as if you had rail seats or similar, you just open the floodgates and allow everyone in. My guess is that before electronic/digital access to stadium they had no real clue as to how many people they were letting in from one turn stile to the next and certainly not from on end of the stand to the other. Times have changes, technology allows for it. Standing is safe, numbers in controlled and monitored in real time. No fences at the front which prevent the obvious way of alleviating any problem that did occur. Better H and S at grounds (no crumbling walls or fire risks as of old). Rails for every 2 rows of fans mean no forward crush - sideways crushing within each row minimal, get pushed out of the side into a stairway.. would that happen on every row, at the same time, no and definitely not with numbers controlled. Better CCTV. Just everything is improved.
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The biggest issue is not arriving at your seat that tends to be more spread out. The issue is when people want to leave especially in an emergency. With one fan one seat it is virtually impossible for an area to become overcrowded. That means you have controlled numbers of fans in each area.
With standing, it is much easier even inadvertently to overcrowd the most popular areas. Then if you have to evacuate a stand then stairwells and gangways can become overwhelmed.
Regarding turnstiles controlling access that only works if you start fencing off blocks of the terrace and then provide separate toilet and refreshment facilities for each block.
If standing is so easy to control by way of CCTV then why are fans continually breaking the regulations now ?
Eeyore:
--- Quote from: Indomitable_Carp on May 24, 2020, 09:45:27 am ---If it was trialled on the lower tier of the new Annie Road then I don't see that this would be an issue. That might depend on gradient and spacing etc of course, but it would seem the perfect place to trial it in Anfield.
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I think it is likely that you would have to use the whole of the lower tier though. Trials tend to be done in smaller areas than that.
Jake:
Al does kind of have a point with the overcrowding in specific areas thing, but I don't think it's the game breaker you're making it out to be. There's been times when I've been stuck down in the 100s and I've squeezed in with my mates in the 300s.
More stewards would help, maybe sell tickets in blocks rather than designated seats so the earlier you get in the more chance you get the best spec. Once a row is full stewards gotta say "sorry mate down ye go"
Eeyore:
--- Quote from: Jake on May 24, 2020, 08:27:59 pm ---Al does kind of have a point with the overcrowding in specific areas thing, but I don't think it's the game breaker you're making it out to be. There's been times when I've been stuck down in the 100s and I've squeezed in with my mates in the 300s.
More stewards would help, maybe sell tickets in blocks rather than designated seats so the earlier you get in the more chance you get the best spec. Once a row is full stewards gotta say "sorry mate down ye go"
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I think we have to look at things realistically though. Unless it is a new stand then clubs are going to have to fund rail seats, will more than likely need more stewards and to increase the size of the gangways and stairwells which will reduce capacity. Add in that you are likely to need to lower the prices of safe standing because it would be unfair to charge the same for standing as sitting. Then what exactly is in it for the clubs if you keep it at 1:1.
As for getting stewards to try to regulate the density of supporters on a terrace for me that is a recipe for disaster.
ToneLa:
So City are installing 5.6k rail seats to enable safe standing
They're, not unreasonably, hedging on the legislation to enable this being brought forward.
Would love to see this at Anfield.
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