Author Topic: Africa Cup of Nations and Copa America Draft General Discussion Thread  (Read 32197 times)

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Excellent write up!


What’s the format for the first round then given we have 15 teams; groups (3 groups of 5 or 5 groups of 3, or 4 groups 3 with 4 and 1 with 3) or knock outs with one team getting a bye?

Groups are my preference as they guarantee people more games. Groups of 5 might be too many though so maybe go groups of 3 with all winners progressing and the three best second places or even the best second place with a playoff game between the other 4, to whittle it to 2.

Other option which might actually be my favourite, and is something I’ve thought about before is we get a new drafter in to assemble a side from the scraps to see how they do and then we can go with a standard 4 groups of 4, or a knockout last 16 with no byes.

What do people think?

Like them all.

Your last option is a great idea. 

Would love to see it, we all need an underdog to root for (and there are still plenty of fish in the draft - Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay, Ivory Coast, Ghana... Would love it if someone like Samie or Gerry comes in off the street and knocks us back a bit.

 
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If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Eel, that's a helluva a squad you built from the 13th position.  Very impressed mate. 

I like every single pick.  (Wes Morgan being the least, but still quality). 

Remind me to never get a drafting slot next to you again, you're the freaking cleaner :)
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Another top heavy team. It must look like I despise full backs.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Another top heavy team. It must look like I despise full backs.

I liked your Dokora pick, and GK is class.  Taribo is interesting at left center back.   We'll see, but I thought you, VBG, and a few others knocked it out of the park.

So much for my excuse of picking 14th?  Hazell's idea of getting another drafter and your picks at 13 signal it is the quality of the chooser :)
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What a draft this is.

Was admiring Viva Bobby’s team...awesome attackers, Roberto Carlos...juxtaposed with Victor Moses on the other flank. :D

Then onto Djozer’s: Batistuta and Zico, all time greats, Hamez a modern day star, hang on is that Fortune...as in Quinton Fortune? And our of position no less. :D

I realise all teams are like this by the way. Been one of the most fun ones to do in a long time.

Say what you Like about our Vic but he is peerless in that specific position of RWB. Premier League winner, in fact. It's about balance and Victor Moses brings that to my party.
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more arrows than an archer  :D

god team mate

Cheers, mate. Re, the arrows, it always impressed me, when I was analysing other teams, what the thinking was for various positions. Then I found out how to use it........
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Can't do a visual line up this time but it's a 4-2-3-1:


Cheers mate.



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Great teams out there. Nice to see the visuals, shows how well the draft has gone with challenging criteria.

Just done with the pile of work, guess I'd need another 2-3 hours, will get my lineup & writeup in.

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Great teams out there. Nice to see the visuals, shows how well the draft has gone with challenging criteria.

Just done with the pile of work, guess I'd need another 2-3 hours, will get my lineup & writeup in.

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What a draft this is.

Was admiring Viva Bobby’s team...awesome attackers, Roberto Carlos...juxtaposed with Victor Moses on the other flank. :D

Then onto Djozer’s: Batistuta and Zico, all time greats, Hamez a modern day star, hang on is that Fortune...as in Quinton Fortune? And our of position no less. :D

I realise all teams are like this by the way. Been one of the most fun ones to do in a long time.

Reminds me of the good old sheep drafts. Where else could you see Pele and Paul Konchesky be on the same team.

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Great pick on Wael Gomaa (spelling on 1st 11 is Gomma, might want to change unless there is another more influential Gollem or Goal
em Gomma who might be confused with) --



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Cheers mate, didn't even see it. But I'm being lazy at the moment, dead exhausted from footie.


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Did anyone else spot this epic final in their research?

"Don’t let your heads drop. We’re Liverpool. You’re playing for Liverpool. Don’t forget that. You have to hold your heads high for the supporters. You have to do it for them." - Rafa Benitez, halftime, Istanbul, 2005.

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Did anyone else spot this epic final in their research?



This Baffoes' me...
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Hate to say it but if that South African Ace is the best player never to play in a major competition because of Apartheid then presumably he never played in an AFCON?

Ok, I lied, I love to say it. Bye now!

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Great team, mate. Definitely one of the best I've seen  :)
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GK: Sergio was a Scot by blood as his parents relocated to Chile while his dad pioneered the game over there. He was a handsome, dashing and well loved individual (see his photo...aesthetics count for a keeper!) and was, by eye witness accounts, a very competent keeper who was voted player of the Copa America in 1941, unheard of for a goalie. He was Chile's keeper for 14 years until he retired in 1959, a career spanning over 20 years.

RCB: Tough defender, used to playing in a 3 with Costa Rica, which they did to good effect in 2014, qualifying through the group stages unbeaten, including a 0-0 against England, and losing out in QF's to Netherlands in a penalty shoot out. Oscar was sent off for 2 yellows, in last 16 and missed out on qf. Played for Bruges for 3 years and presently at Espanyol. Solid choice who is very useful at set pieces with decent goal return for defender.

CB:  Kalidou Koulibaly is an elite level CB in high demand by the very top clubs. One of the most complete centre backs in football with his aerial prowess, anticipation, positioning, tackling, character, technique, and passing ability, he is Senegal's greatest ever defender.

LCB: Oscar is a World Cup and double Copa winner whilst also picking up a la liga title in his 1 season at Real Madrid. The rock of Boca, River Plate and Argentina's defence, he is recognised as one of that Country's finest ever defenders, which his 3 world cups (taking over as captain in 94 after Maraadona was sent home) and record equalling appearances in copa america's lays testament to.

RWB: Victor may be a surprise choice for some but is without doubt, an exceptional right wing back with few, if any, equals in that specific position. African cup winner for Nigeria, Premier league winner, Conte trusted him in that role and he delivered with some outstanding displays. Fits perfectly into my system, knows the position better than anyone and will provide the width I need when necessary. Ex red!

LWB: Roberto Carlos....if I have to add anything to that maybe drafting is not for you?

CDM: Double scudetto winner at 21 for Juve, this physically imposing young player can play anywhere in midfield. For my purposes he fits perfectly as cdm because of his athleticism, physical and mental prowess and ability to read the game. Uruguayan, yet brought up in Argentinian football with Boca, where he won domestic titles as a teenager, this boy has the world at his feet and is the 'baby' of the team.

CAM: City style, I'm playing with two 10's. Most polls place Aboutrika as Egypt's greatest player which his domestic and international numbers confirm. Research on him is pretty impressive. Voted Egypt's greatest ever player, African footballer of the year x4, Arab footballer of the year x3, African Cup of Nations winner x2, CAF Team of the Year x4, Africa Cup of Nations Dream Team x2, BBC African footballer of the year, FIFA Confederations Cup Dream Team, but never left the banks of the Nile. Does that work against him? The gang will decide. Fantastic footballer though and a choice I am more than happy with to play alongside Cubillas.

CAM: Teófilo Cubillas. One of my favourite players ever. Free kick specialist. See above (Roberto Carlos)

Strikers: Couldn't choose between the two of these legends so picked both. Goals galore. In the air or on the floor these guys need no introduction. Without doubt the two best African strikers to ever grace a football pitch. Both love to play on the shoulder and with Cubillas and Aboutrika playing through balls narrow and Carlos and Moses, yes, Victor, providing ammo from wide, they will cause carnage. Physically imposing, they won't give any defender a minutes piece and I look forward to pitting them against any defence.

In conclusion, an attacking side with a resolute defence, playing in a system designed for them. Nobody shoe horned in. Open play, set pieces, pace, guile, width, physicality, my team carries a lot of weaponry in all departments...with the most dapper goalie.

                            Sergio Livingstone - Chile

                 


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Great team, mate. Definitely one of the best I've seen  :)
Thanks mate, yours is great too. I would have loved to draft Francescoli but a lack of quality options in centerbacks had me opting for Santamaría.

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Thanks mate, yours is great too. I would have loved to draft Francescoli but a lack of quality options in centerbacks had me opting for Santamaría.

Santamaria is an outstanding choice, mate. Just beat me to it
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Santamaria was good but he's not my favourite South American defender. My favourite South American defender is Mr. Carlos Gamarra.
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Yeah? That’s amazing
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Santamaria was good but he's not my favourite South American defender. My favourite South American defender is Mr. Carlos Gamarra.


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:D

Just waiting for Mikey I think.
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Just waiting for Mikey I think.

Today's been a really hectic day for me, mate. If it was a simple formation, I'd ask for help from someone, but it could be an asymmetric formation. If it's okay, can I post my lineup tomorrow? I'll try to get it in as early as I can in the morning.

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Thinking of 5 matches with 3 people each and a straight knock out, top team advances to the final (although TBD). Alternatively, 5 groups of 3 and then a final. Thoughts?
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Today's been a really hectic day for me, mate. If it was a simple formation, I'd ask for help from someone, but it could be an asymmetric formation. If it's okay, can I post my lineup tomorrow? I'll try to get it in as early as I can in the morning.

Sorry meant, Poetry in Motion not mikey :P

Yeah that's fine, I'll try and get one going tonight but won't include whichever group you're in :)
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Thinking of 5 matches with 3 people each and a straight knock out, top team advances to the final (although TBD). Alternatively, 5 groups of 3 and then a final. Thoughts?

I envisage a lot of tight games and drafters have worked hard on their picks. If we want to stretch it out over the real tournaments then how about 3 groups of 5, winners go through plus best 2nd, making 4 semi finalists? My tupennyworth, happy to go any way, though
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Just waiting for Mikey I think.

I’ve posted one
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I’ve posted one

I know, I realised my error above, sorry!

Mu excuse is that you have the same avatar!
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Ok so five groups of three, top team qualifies for the semi's and then the finals:

Groups:

Group A:
Sheer Magentism
Sir Sycho Sexy
Trend

Group B:
Max
Lastrador
Betty

Group C:
Djozer
Nick
Lobo

Group D:
viva
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tubby

Group E:
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mikey
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I envisage a lot of tight games and drafters have worked hard on their picks. If we want to stretch it out over the real tournaments then how about 3 groups of 5, winners go through plus best 2nd, making 4 semi finalists? My tupennyworth, happy to go any way, though

Yeah think groups is better for this draft I think but I've done five groups of three and then we'll sort the semi-finalists out. Will get something sorted today.
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I love this midfield
thanks, they were both forces of nature in their prime and hopefully riquelme can relax a bit and do his thing with those 2 being box to box
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José Luis Chilavert - The name speaks for himself, he's considered to be one of the greatest South American Goalkeepers ever. He is a 3 time winner of IFFHS World's Best Goalkeeper, he was one of the best keepers in the world in his time. He was a complete Goalkeeper known for his shot-stopping and agility, and also for his leadership where he marshaled his teams from the back.

The one unique feature about him is that he was so good in free-kicks, penalties and set-pieces that he has scored 67 goals in his senior career, which is remarkable for even defenders, let alone a goalkeeper.

He has won the Premier Club tournament in South America for clubs, Copa Libertadores, apart from plenty of league titles and he was named in FIFA World Cup 1998 Team of the Tournament and has also appeared in 3 Copa America tournaments.

José Nasazzi - He was one of the greatest ever South American defenders. He is in fact not just known as Uruguay's greatest ever defender, but as Uruguay's greatest ever player in circles of football historians.

The unique feature about him is that he played Right-Back in WM system and in 2-3-5 formations, which means effectively covering the center to the right side of defense in the deepest line, that could translate into both RB and CB in modern formations. This helps me to use him as the defensive minded full-back in my team.

He won the inaugural FIFA World Cup in 1930 as Uruguay's captain, he was selected best player in the tournament (ahead of attacking players) and he was selected best player in two South American Championships (Copa America) in 1923 and 1935. He won 1 World Cup & 4 South American Championships and that puts him among the most decorated players in International football.

Noureddine Naybet - He was one of the few North African players playing in Europe in the 90s and early 2000s. He has played in France, Portugal, Spain and England. He is one of Africa's best ever CBs.

What works for him in a unique way is that his time not only coincided, but was a big reason for the best period in Deportivo La Coruna's history. The Moroccan captain's tenure at Deportivo resulted in their only La Liga title and two more runner-up finishes sandwiching the title win, while they also won the Copa del Rey by beating Real Madrid. Their biggest exploits in the European Cup/Champions League also came in this period when they reached the Quarter Finals twice and Semi Finals once and the impressive list of teams he helped them to beat includes PSG, Man United, Arsenal, Juventus, Bayern Munich and AC Milan during those years, they even beat Milan 4-0 once. 

He will forever be a Legend for Deportivo. He has the most appearances for Morocco (115), playing in 2 World Cups & 6 AFCONs, finishing Runners-up once.

Héctor Chumpitaz - He is widely regarded as one of the greatest CBs of all-time, and as one of Peru's greatest ever players. He was selected as the captain of the All-Star American team against European team, that boasted of players like Beckenbauer and Cruyff, the game was won by the American team. He is fondly known as 'Captain America' and his football and leadership skills were popularly known. 

He was a high scoring CB and has scored 77 goals in his senior career. He captained the Peru team that won the Copa America in 1975. It was the first time the tournament was renamed to 'Copa America'. He is named in Copa America All-Star All-Time team, a testament to his legendary status.

Celestine Babayaro - He is one of the greatest African full-backs and was a popular player in the Premier League during the late 90s and the early 2000s.

One feature about him that helps me in my set-up is that he was equally adept in playing, Left Back, Left Wing Back and Left Midfield. This helps me play one defensive full-back and one attacking full-back in Babayaro and maintain stability in the side. He lost his brother 12 hours before kick-off when playing for Newcastle, yet went on to play the game, showing his grit and determination.

He won the Gold Medal with Nigeria in the 2000 Olympics and made the Team of the Tournament, while also scoring in the final. He played in the 2000 and 2004 AFCON tournaments and also played in 1998 and 2002 World Cups for Nigeria.

Jaime Pizarro - He is Chile's greatest ever Defensive Midfielder. He was known to be tenacious and was extremely aware off the ball in terms of positioning.

His unique feature in my team will be to mark the opposition attacking midfielders and also to cover the spaces left by Babayaro during his forays forward to make use of his defensive abilities and positional strengths. He won League Championships with Colo Colo as a manager (repeating the feat after doing it as a player), which shows his tactical acumen and understanding of the game. He could also score goals from distance. A great player to anchor the midfield.

He won 6 League Titles, he won Copa Libertadores (South American version of Champions League), and was also runner-up in Copa America with Chile.

Ahmed Hassan - He is known to be one of Africa's best midfielders and Egypt's best players of all-time. His greatest attribute is that he is poly-functional. He had played full-back, central midfielder, attacking midfielder and winger positions in his career with success. This helps me to use him in midfield as the all-action midfielder who was hard-working, quick and talented. He may remind of the current Mr. Reliable, Mr. NOT Boring, Ribena drinking player in European Champions Liverpool.

Hassan holds the record for most International Appearances in football history with 184 appearances for Egypt. He has won 4 AFCON tournaments, which is a unique record held by few footballers, he scored in the 1998 AFCON final helping his team win the tournament, he also won the 2006, 2008 and 2010 versions of the tournament. He captained Egypt in 2008, and he won AFCON Best Player of the Tournament twice, in 2006 and 2010. He started as a Wing-Back, then became a top class Box-to-Box midfielder and then in 2010, he became his side's playmaker to replace Aboutrika (who got injured) and still won Best Player of AFCON in 2010. This shows how invaluable he was to Egypt during their AFCON glory days.

He allows me to play a Defensive full-back on the right side (Nasazzi), as Hassan can morph into a wing-back/winger like Milner and provide the necessary width on the right, while he moves to the center off the ball or when the attack is through the Left Side.

Apart from winning 3 titles in Egypt & the CAF Champions League, he also played for Beşiktaş and won the Belgian League with Anderlecht, capping a remarkable career decorated with trophies and achievements. He is known to be a humanitarian, promoting & supporting International football for orphans and refugees.

Rivaldo - The name says it all, coming from a country of great attacking players and yet his name is capable of standing on his own, is no mean feat. His ability to play wide, or as a playmaker helps me to use his movement cleverly, as he can combine with Babayaro on the left by drifting wide as well as pull the strings from the middle. Having a playmaker as good as him, means I can afford to have hardworking midfielders behind him, who are good ball players in their own right as well. He was an exceptional goalscorer for a player who was not an exclusive forward.

He won the 1999 Copa America Player of the Tournament, having top scored with 5 goals and he made the FIFA World Cup Team of the Tournament in both 1998 and 2002, where Brazil reached the Finals on both occasions and became World Champions once. He won the Ballon d'Or in 1999 and apart from his playmaking and goalscoring abilities, he was a fantastic free-kick taker which confused opponents. He won the La Liga twice with Barcelona and the Champions League with AC Milan. He is deservedly known to be one of the best players in his position of all-time.

Alfredo Di Stéfano - The name stands tall, one of the greatest ever footballers of All-Time, Di Stefano is a proud winner of 5 European Cups with Real Madrid, and the unique feat achieved by him is that he scored in each of those Finals, top scoring in two of those European Cups, while scoring 7 goals in European Cup Finals alone.

He is one of the most complete attackers in football history, having every facet of attacking football under his belt. He scored a lot of goals, but he wasn't a pure striker, he was also very good with his playmaking duties, while he had fantastic stamina. Playing him behind my 2 forwards makes my lineup a very potent attack with two of Africa's great forwards playing ahead of him.

He won the Ballon d'Or twice in 1958 & 1962. He made the World Team of the 20th Century elected by 250 international football journalists. He also scored 6 goals in his only South American Championships (Copa America) and helped his team Argentina win the tournament. He won a remarkable 9 League Titles with Real Madrid. Legend among legends of the game.

Roger Milla - He is famously known for his goals and celebrations in the World Cup & his longevity, but he wasn't a conventional striker. He was a deep lying forward and one of the best forwards Africa has ever produced. He isn't Cameroon's best player ever, Eto'o is, but it can be safely said that he is the 2nd best ever player from Cameroon and the oldest goalscorer in the history of World Cups.

He was both inventive and effective and his game was as much about link-up play in attack as much as scoring goals. An analysis of his style said "Milla was a constant penalty-area menace. He was also a relentless ball-carrier, runner of channels and, when the chance finally presented itself, a decisive finisher."

He played majority of his career in France. The highlight of his individual accolades was that he won his two African Player of the Year awards spaced out 14 years in between, being 2nd two more times, it shows the quality he has maintained over decades. He was top of his game in 70s, 80s and at the start of 90s, which is remarkable. He won the AFCON twice, he top scored in AFCON 1986 and won Player of the tournament. He will be forever remembered as a major ambassador for African football.

Rabah Madjer - One of the greatest African strikers, Madjer had a unique feat of winning both the European Cup (Champions League) and the AFCON tournaments. He was Top scorer in European Cup in 1987 and he famously scored in the European Cup Final to help Porto become European Champions defeating Bayern Munich, a goal which Pele has spoken about as with the potential to be one of the greatest goals he had ever seen. 

Bayern Munich were interested in signing him, while Cruyff went close to signing Madjer for Ajax which is testament to how much of a superstar he was in Europe at that time. The deal broke in the last moment, when Porto pulled the plug.

He won the African Player of the Year in 1987 and he won AFCON best player in 1990. He was elected Arab footballer of the 20th Century by an Algerian Journal and he was selected 5th in the list of African Players of the 20th Century by IFFHS. He also won 3 League Titles and the aforementioned European Cup for Porto.

Tactics

The arrow lines dictate my tactics and they bring the best out of the available personnel. It's a fluid formation.

My back four is asymmetric with Nasazzi as the defensive full-back, Naybet and Chumpitaz as the center-backs and Babayaro is the attacking full-back going up & down the left side.

Off-the-ball, the formation remains as in the graphic and it's a 4-3-3, similar to Klopp's set-up. Di Stefano is Firmino (Di Stefano's stamina works here), dropping deep & pressing the opposition CBs & DM. Milla and Madjer replicate Mane & Salah as they cut-off opposition passing lanes. Rivaldo acts as the most forward player of our midfield (similar to Ox/Hendo recently), while Pizarro & Hassan stay back & cover (like Fabinho and Gini/Milner). Chumpitaz is VVD (complete defender), while Naybet is Matip - who blocks opponent runs & intercepts. Nasazzi is more defensive than our RB in our set-up, that adds to more solidarity, without compromising on the width from right side, which I explain below. Chilavert was a complete keeper, he could cover the pitch behind the CBs & dominated his area. 

On the ball, when Babayaro moves up on the Left to attack/combine with Rivaldo, Jaime Pizarro, with his tactical and positional awareness covers for Babayaro when he moves up the field. When the attack is on the left side, Babayaro moves up, Jaime Pizarro moves to the left, covers for Babayaro and Hassan remains central with Pizarro and Hassan holding the midfield.

When the attack is on the right side, Nasazzi stays deep, Hassan moves to the right to provide width on the right while Chumpitaz also pushes up to support Pizarro in midfield if required. Now Hassan becomes the Right Wing Back, Chumpitaz and Pizarro hold the midfield, while Nasazzi & Naybet become the center-backs.

Rivaldo acts as the playmaker and can receive the ball from several sources like Babayaro, Pizarro and Hassan. Pizarro, Hassan and Rivaldo can cycle the ball well, while Rivaldo can cut-in and stay central when Babayaro overlaps. It gives him the perfect opportunity to combine with Di Stefano or set one of the front 3 through. Di Stefano combines with Hassan on the right and Rivaldo on the left to receive the ball and then there's the threat of him scoring as well as supplying Milla & Madjer.

Milla & Madjer are versatile, they are a menace to the opposition in the box, and they can also drop deep, hold the ball & set Di Stefano or Rivaldo on the run towards the goal. The front 4 is also fluid and unpredictable with their link-up play, so man marking these players will not work. Milla and Madjer can also target to meet headers from deep from Babayaro (Left) or Hassan (Right), so that adds to the pressure to opposition.

Rivaldo, Di Stefano and Chilavert were adept at free-kicks so they rotate based on the position. Corners to be taken by Rivaldo and Hassan.

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Great write up mate. One very interesting detail that was left out is that Chumpitaz was a proper midget for a CB (around 168 cm depending of the source) which make his defensive exploits ever more interesting I think.
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Great write up mate. One very interesting detail that was left out is that Chumpitaz was a proper midget for a CB (around 168 cm depending of the source) which make his defensive exploits ever more interesting I think.

Yes mate, it makes it extremely interesting. But you can say some great defenders didn't quite rely on their physique as much as their reading of the game, and you could say he was one of those.

I saw many videos of him a few years ago (for a draft in a different site :D). Even for dealing with aerial balls, he judged the flight of them and used to nip them when they came to the ground without actually having to challenge for the ball in the first place. He used to quickly get ahead of the attacker & steal the ball the moment the attacker traps the aerial ball. He was quick, and he was one of those defenders who was almost always in the right place at the right time.

And he was so good on the ball. That's why he reminds me of VVD, not as tall obviously, but has plenty of similarities with him as being a complete defender.
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I'm already ready for the next draft :D

My idea: The Balkan Draft [Albania,Bosnia,Kosovo,North Macedonia,Serbia,Croatia,Slovenia,Greece Montenegro,Romania,Slovenia,Bulgaria and Turkey only :D]
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Sweet gullible Defacto, when I first recruited you, you said you'll try one out and see.  ;D