Topic: Doesn't matter who you vote for as long as it's for the right reasons!

[rob1966]

Deciding not to introduce vaccine passports?

Yep, that'll have made them popular with the thick c*nts, that and how they are going to ramp up Brexit for the racist c*nts.

[So… Howard Philips]

Yep, that'll have made them popular with the thick c*nts, that and how they are going to ramp up Brexit for the racist c*nts.

And they've announced that the CE mark on pint glasses is to be replaced by the traditional Crown stamp.

Great news except most of our beer glasses are no longer made at Ravenhead in St Helens but in the EU.

[Zeb]

Thought this was interesting. It's a series of journalists and politicians and experts talking about the housing crisis we've got.

https://www.politico.eu/podcast/why-doesnt-britain-ever-build-enough-homes/

Nick Boles is fascinating going through how he misunderstood the problem and didn't find solutions even as his plans to build more made him unpopular with the Tory base for where most of the new homes would need to be built.

[TSC]

Deciding not to introduce vaccine passports?

Then they’ll probably like today’s replacement of the (albeit rubbish) Covid travel traffic light system with either ‘red’ or ‘open’.  Shame the criteria doesn’t work both ways, so depends which countries don’t have UK on their respective ‘red lists’.

https://news.sky.com/story/travel-latest-green-amber-and-red-list-to-be-updated-by-uk-government-this-week-12406937

[PaulF]

And they've announced that the CE mark on pint glasses is to be replaced by the traditional Crown stamp.

Great news except most of our beer glasses are no longer made at Ravenhead in St Helens but in the EU.

Oh that's made me chortle. Thanks.

[TSC]

This cabal would celebrate the opening of an envelope.

https://news.sky.com/story/this-house-of-peace-boris-johnson-celebrates-100-years-of-prime-ministers-using-chequers-12410293

Such a shame almost all of the living ex PMs have turned their invitations down.  Looks like it will just be Theresa May and Johnson.  Maybe they should hold this ‘celebration’ in a phone box.

[JohnnoWhite]

Nadhim Zahawi was a co-founder of YouGov.

Ah interesting - wonder if he still dips the occasional odd  - very odd - finger in their pie . . . .??

[killer-heels]

Are we going to war with Europe over this submarine situation then? Not sure I am fond of team AUSUK.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Are we going to war with Europe over this submarine situation then? Not sure I am fond of team AUSUK.

To be fair to Australia, the French sub system deal seems to be fraught with difficulties. Looks like there will be a lot of legal wrangling over this.

https://www.politico.eu/article/why-australia-wanted-out-of-its-french-sub-deal/

[So… Howard Philips]

To be fair to Australia, the French sub system deal seems to be fraught with difficulties. Looks like there will be a lot of legal wrangling over this.

https://www.politico.eu/article/why-australia-wanted-out-of-its-french-sub-deal/

That's an interesting read.

Has any military procurement process produced the goods in time and within budget?

[Zeb]

May remember a story from a while back when the Good Law Project took the government to court claiming that they'd been giving polling contracts out to their mates without following proper process. The court found that the process hadn't been followed but that was understandable given circumstances and the government did get value for what they paid even if some of the partners in the company had worked with members of the government before. Anyways, one of the partners (at the time) of that firm was Gabriel Milland and he's talked to Matt Forde about what he was doing for government as 'special advisor' to Johnson:

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-political-party/id595312938?i=1000535964031

[Cruiser]

Are we going to war with Europe over this submarine situation then? Not sure I am fond of team AUSUK.

Certainly hope so. Its about time that overated shithole Paris is turned into glass.

[stewil007]

That's an interesting read.

Has any military procurement process produced the goods in time and within budget?

I have worked in the defence sector and can unofficially say, no.  Although i did once hear of a chair getting delivered to site on time.....this was soon debunked

[Sangria]

I have worked in the defence sector and can unofficially say, no.  Although i did once hear of a chair getting delivered to site on time.....this was soon debunked

Messrs Browning and Kalashnikov did some excellent work, although that was more a case of them seeing an opening in the market and creating their pieces before the military took up their finished work. Their stuff is still being used today, thanks to their emphasis on ruggedness and ease of manufacture over precision.

Although I still giggle at the thought of the comments written on the more nutcase proposals made to the Soviet board of military inventions. Given the very specific instructions, Stalin himself would have seen every one of these proposals, and there are pleas from the board members for the would-be inventors to pretty please think their ideas over before submission, as it would be nice to involve reality. You can just about see the face palms at the proposal for a death ray.

[PaulF]

Certainly hope so. Its about time that overated shithole Paris is turned into glass.

An ex colleague has invited me over to see psg as he has season tickets. If you could wait until I've seen Gini play there before releasing the nukes I'd be grateful.

[Nobby Reserve]

An ex colleague has invited me over to see psg as he has season tickets. If you could wait until I've seen Gini play there before releasing the nukes I'd be grateful.

I've no particular affinity with Paris, but surely a better area for said glass car park would be the entire Middle East.

Half the world's problems would be solved instantly.

[Commie Bobbie]

I've no particular affinity with Paris, but surely a better area for said glass car park would be the entire Middle East.

Half the world's problems would be solved instantly.

Or America.

[Nobby Reserve]

Or America.

That's the source of most of the other half 

[rob1966]

That's the source of most of the other half 

We'd have to do Russia, China and North Korea too.

Fuck it, lets just nuke the planet and be done with it.

[Nobby Reserve]

We'd have to do Russia, China and North Korea too.

Fuck it, lets just nuke the planet and be done with it.

The New Zealanders are an alright bunch these days, after a shaky couple of centuries.

[TepidT2O]

I think clarity needs to brought onto these submarines.

They are nuclear submarines in that they are nuclear powered.

They are not called nuclear submarines to denote the weapons they will carry.

[rob1966]

I think clarity needs to brought onto these submarines.

They are nuclear submarines in that they are nuclear powered.

They are not called nuclear submarines to denote the weapons they will carry.

I've only just read the reports on this. yes they are a replacement for the diesel engined subs they currently run and are not for use with nuclear missiles, they'll be attack subs.

[Cruiser]

The defence industry is the most lucrative on the planet so its no surprise the yanks came in and scuttled the French. They probably calculated there was no way the French would join this group by losing their contract so going without them wouldn't be a huge strategic or material loss. What good are the French for anyway? Australia is vital for countering the illegal Chinese expansion in the south China sea who have purpose build cities to mass produce their naval fleet right now.

As Britain will get a slice of the pie its always good to see the French seethe.

The French were already given a body blow earlier by the Swiss who chose the US F-35 over their Rafale fighters despite continuing negotiations with Dassault. The French went and cancelled a meeting between Macron and his Swiss counterpart  They really are a bitter bunch.

[Jiminy Cricket]

You'd think that, in a joint venture, the British and French could build their own nuclear powered subs - with the German's managing the project, obviously.

The French diesel-powered subs just do not cut it for their intended operations in the South China Sea. Not to mention the security breaches (22K of documents relating to the combat readiness of another class of subs from DCNS being hacked (by?) and known to the Chinese). From the article I linked a couple of days ago:

That August, before the Australian deal was formally signed but after it had been announced, the company DCNS admitted it had been hacked after 22,000 documents relating to the combat capacity of its Scorpene submarines being built in India were leaked, raising concerns about the security of its Australian project.

[PaulF]

I think clarity needs to brought onto these submarines.

They are nuclear submarines in that they are nuclear powered.

They are not called nuclear submarines to denote the weapons they will carry.

Quite incredible they can build a nuclear power plant that small.

I assumed nuclear submarines can be equipped with nuclear weapons. No idea if this lot are.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Quite incredible they can build a nuclear power plant that small.

I assumed nuclear submarines can be equipped with nuclear weapons. No idea if this lot are.

Two separate questions - one is not dependent upon the other.

Nuclear powered for reasons of stealth and reach; nuclear weapons for much greater fire power.

[Elmo!]

Quite incredible they can build a nuclear power plant that small.

I assumed nuclear submarines can be equipped with nuclear weapons. No idea if this lot are.

All the Vanguard class subs are nuclear powered and have nuclear weapons - have you been watching Vigil?

[rob1966]

All the Vanguard class subs are nuclear powered and have nuclear weapons - have you been watching Vigil?

We have.

Our kids mother in laws husbands son is on the Nuclear subs, bet he's not impressed with that show at all.

[Cruiser]

Quite incredible they can build a nuclear power plant that small.

I assumed nuclear submarines can be equipped with nuclear weapons. No idea if this lot are.

Australia isn't a nuclear power so won't have nukes on their subs

Otherwise you just replace a conventional warhead on a Tomahawk cruise missle with a nuclear warhead and boom, you have a nuclear weapon ready to fire.

There's also SSBNs but they're a different beast altogether.

[PaulF]

All the Vanguard class subs are nuclear powered and have nuclear weapons - have you been watching Vigil?

Nope. Just a bit of a geek. I knew about nuclear powered subs, but didn't put much thought into how hard it would be.
Currently I'm obsessed with the power potential of fusion.
Some of the stuff done recently, though not economically viable is massive.

[lobsterboy]

We'd have to do Russia, China and North Korea too.

Fuck it, lets just nuke the planet and be done with it.

Probably a left field choice here but I think quite a few of the world problems could be solved with a tactical nuke on The City of London and Westminster.

[Nobby Reserve]

Government strikes deal to restart CO2 production

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58641394

So ordinary plebs struggling with soaring energy bills and rising National Insurance can go fuck themselves (and triple-tough shit if you're an oik on UC)

But it's fine to presumably use taxpayer quids to ensure the profits and fat director bonuses of big corporations.


And still the brainwashed, flagshagging Brexit gobshites will cheer for Bozo and vote Tory.

[TSC]

Johnson on sky now blaming Covid alone for gas prices.

[PaulF]

Johnson on sky now blaming Covid alone for gas prices.

So surely be should be making facemasks mandatory and return to wfh?

[So… Howard Philips]

So surely be should be making facemasks mandatory and return to wfh?

Your expelled breath contains CO2 and if your WFH you are using more gas.

Or something......

[Nobby Reserve]

Johnson on sky now blaming Covid alone for gas prices.

That's why gas prices in the UK are about the same as gas prices across Europe.

Oh wait...



(but it's not a direct symptom of Brexit, more the result of the shysterish corporate-capitalism model that puts short-term profit above all else)

[oldfordie]

That's why gas prices in the UK are about the same as gas prices across Europe.

Oh wait...



(but it's not a direct symptom of Brexit, more the result of the shysterish corporate-capitalism model that puts short-term profit above all else)

Got to give it to the Torys, credit where credits due, they conned millions into believing the Labour party was to blame for the 2008 crash. millions believed it was a UK crash rather than a crash that affected the world.
Here they are now telling us everything going wrong today is the fault of the rest of the world. the EU+ the rest of the world are to blame not Brexit. now that's what you call spin.

[rob1966]

Abdul Qadir would have been impressed with the spin these fuckers put on things.

[Machae]

Got to give it to the Torys, credit where credits due, they conned millions into believing the Labour party was to blame for the 2008 crash. millions believed it was a UK crash rather than a crash that affected the world.
Here they are now telling us everything going wrong today is the fault of the rest of the world. the EU+ the rest of the world are to blame not Brexit. now that's what you call spin.

Labour never did anything to dispell that narrative, Milliband did a lot of Tory propaganda. Now to this day, its always, Labour can't be trusted with money

Covid is the new excuse which will give the Tories a lot of mileage and one which will probably win them the next election

[oldfordie]

Labour never did anything to dispell that narrative, Milliband did a lot of Tory propaganda. Now to this day, its always, Labour can't be trusted with money

Covid is the new excuse which will give the Tories a lot of mileage and one which will probably win them the next election

Yeah I agree but it's not too late to make it a issue from now on, this is one of the most important hurdles Labour have to over come if they want to get the trust of the public in a GE, it's also not just about Labour defending themselves. it should also be about dispelling the myth of the Tory safe pair of hands running the economy.
we heard Cameron banging on about not leaving the national debt for our children to pay off, no mention of that debt for over 6yrs now, no surprise, the Torys nearly tripled it long before Covid hit. the Torys chopped and chopped yet still put us in more debt than Labour ever did. why isn't more made of this fact. never mind leaving the debt for our children to pay off, our grandchildren will be paying this off long after these Tory MPs have gone.