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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #960 on: September 29, 2022, 10:08:10 pm »
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A 34-year-old man has been arrested on suspicion of the murder of Olivia Pratt-Korbel, who was shot in her home.

Olivia Pratt-Korbel: Murder arrest over Liverpool shooting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-62795536

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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #961 on: September 29, 2022, 10:54:55 pm »
Olivia Pratt-Korbel: Murder arrest over Liverpool shooting https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-62795536
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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #962 on: September 30, 2022, 11:30:54 am »
Let's hope that this arrest is the one we've been waiting for!

yes but who is getting the cash reward? better not go to the criminal fraternity
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« Reply #963 on: September 30, 2022, 03:46:48 pm »
Another arrest made today.. taking that to 11 arrested in connection now...
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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #964 on: September 30, 2022, 04:12:57 pm »
yes but who is getting the cash reward? better not go to the criminal fraternity
That's the thing though.

Everyone and his dog knows who did it. The police know. The community knows. His name is everywhere. But the only people who know enough to actually prove it, or at least point in the direction of where the weapon is hidden, are not going to be Mr or Mrs Joe Bloggs from Acacia Avenue. Those who know enough to nail him know because of their own associations.
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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #965 on: October 1, 2022, 06:57:59 pm »
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« Reply #966 on: October 1, 2022, 07:05:56 pm »
Is this the guy that 'everyone and his dog' says did it??
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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #967 on: October 1, 2022, 07:10:42 pm »
Is this the guy that 'everyone and his dog' says did it??

Was just going to ask this too.

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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #968 on: October 1, 2022, 07:18:40 pm »
Thomas Cashman, 34 from West Derby is the man charged (and named) with this horrendous offence.
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« Reply #969 on: October 1, 2022, 07:21:40 pm »
Is this the guy that 'everyone and his dog' says did it??

Yes

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« Reply #970 on: October 1, 2022, 07:37:28 pm »
Is this the guy that 'everyone and his dog' says did it??
Yes, it is.
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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #971 on: October 1, 2022, 07:44:42 pm »
So the other guy is known too?

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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #972 on: October 1, 2022, 07:49:43 pm »
You’d assume (hope?) they must have a pretty watertight case to name and charge him wouldn’t you?

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« Reply #973 on: October 1, 2022, 07:56:25 pm »
You’d assume (hope?) they must have a pretty watertight case to name and charge him wouldn’t you?
You'd think so. They've known who did it from very early on. I think it was just a case of getting the evidence to make it stick before finally charging him.
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« Reply #974 on: October 1, 2022, 08:10:53 pm »
You'd think so. They've known who did it from very early on. I think it was just a case of getting the evidence to make it stick before finally charging him.

Yeah, that’s what I meant, just phrased it poorly!

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« Reply #975 on: October 1, 2022, 08:44:27 pm »
Think they are going to struggle translating those charges to guilty verdicts in court.

Murder is a deliberate act and they will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he deliberately meant to kill her as well as attempting to kill the others.

He'll plead to attempted murder of the guy he shot, wounding the mum and manslaughter of the girl.

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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #976 on: October 1, 2022, 09:06:40 pm »
Think they are going to struggle translating those charges to guilty verdicts in court.

Murder is a deliberate act and they will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he deliberately meant to kill her as well as attempting to kill the others.

He'll plead to attempted murder of the guy he shot, wounding the mum and manslaughter of the girl.

Can't they argue that running into a house with a gun and firing it is an intent to kill?

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« Reply #977 on: October 2, 2022, 01:05:26 am »
It is a bit like those school shootings in the USA, you would struggle to prove they intended to kill the actual people they did but nevertheless they were intent on killing and behaved in such a way that removes all doubt about that.
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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #978 on: October 2, 2022, 01:12:22 am »
Think they are going to struggle translating those charges to guilty verdicts in court.

Murder is a deliberate act and they will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he deliberately meant to kill her as well as attempting to kill the others.

He'll plead to attempted murder of the guy he shot, wounding the mum and manslaughter of the girl.
randomly firing bullets into a house is 100% murder, what the fuck did he expect to happen? Not a chance, if the police have done their homework will he get away with manslaughter.


They'll probably struggle to find a jury prepared to give the c*nt a fair trial though
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« Reply #979 on: October 2, 2022, 01:13:33 am »
They don't have the murder weapons yet, so on that point you wonder what evidence they do have to actually charge him. I always thought it was much tougher to get a conviction without the actual weapon being found?

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« Reply #980 on: October 2, 2022, 02:04:39 am »
They don't have the murder weapons yet, so on that point you wonder what evidence they do have to actually charge him. I always thought it was much tougher to get a conviction without the actual weapon being found?
that's probably long gone, doubt they'll find that now. It's probably been incinerated
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« Reply #981 on: October 2, 2022, 02:31:20 am »
Think they are going to struggle translating those charges to guilty verdicts in court.

Murder is a deliberate act and they will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he deliberately meant to kill her as well as attempting to kill the others.

He'll plead to attempted murder of the guy he shot, wounding the mum and manslaughter of the girl.
Nah fortunately I would say you're not right there  Murder is when someone dies as a result of intent to kill or do serious bodily harm. It's still murder if bullets hit an unintended target. See Rhys Jones.

There was even some lads in London recently who got convicted of murder while not even firing any of the killing shots  The victim was their own mate and they were convicted of murder after starting a gunfight with a rival gang and he got shot back while with them. Just starting it was enough to convict them. Not the same at all obviously but just an indicator of how firing shots and someone dies will put you away for a long time

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Re: Lawless Liverpool?
« Reply #982 on: October 2, 2022, 08:11:22 am »
Think they are going to struggle translating those charges to guilty verdicts in court.

Murder is a deliberate act and they will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he deliberately meant to kill her as well as attempting to kill the others.

He'll plead to attempted murder of the guy he shot, wounding the mum and manslaughter of the girl.

He can plead to whatever he wants, in a case like this he's heading for a 30+ year sentence minimum..
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« Reply #983 on: October 2, 2022, 10:33:52 am »
randomly firing bullets into a house is 100% murder, what the fuck did he expect to happen? Not a chance, if the police have done their homework will he get away with manslaughter.


They'll probably struggle to find a jury prepared to give the c*nt a fair trial though

It’ll probably be heard in Preston or Manchester.

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« Reply #984 on: October 2, 2022, 11:26:48 am »
Think they are going to struggle translating those charges to guilty verdicts in court.

Murder is a deliberate act and they will need to prove beyond reasonable doubt that he deliberately meant to kill her as well as attempting to kill the others.

He'll plead to attempted murder of the guy he shot, wounding the mum and manslaughter of the girl.
He went in there with two handguns with the express intention to murder. He hit three people in the process, one died. I just can't see how he gets off on manslaughter for that.

He set out to murder. He succeeded.
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« Reply #985 on: October 2, 2022, 11:44:02 am »
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« Reply #986 on: October 2, 2022, 02:28:23 pm »
He went in there with two handguns with the express intention to murder. He hit three people in the process, one died. I just can't see how he gets off on manslaughter for that.

He set out to murder. He succeeded.

Same as Sean Mercer killing Rhys Jones. He intended to kill someone, even if he didn't get the person he was after.
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« Reply #987 on: October 2, 2022, 04:22:59 pm »
that's probably long gone, doubt they'll find that now. It's probably been incinerated

Oh for sure, but I just was speaking more generally. With my very amateur knowledge from bits of reading and documentaries etc, I just thought a murder conviction was always difficult to get if you didn't have the weapon used. So if they don't have the guns used, what exactly do they have that is significant enough to charge him?

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« Reply #988 on: October 2, 2022, 04:24:33 pm »
Oh for sure, but I just was speaking more generally. With my very amateur knowledge from bits of reading and documentaries etc, I just thought a murder conviction was always difficult to get if you didn't have the weapon used. So if they don't have the guns used, what exactly do they have that is significant enough to charge him?

The CPS don't tend to charge unless they have enough evidence.
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« Reply #989 on: October 2, 2022, 04:27:12 pm »
The CPS don't tend to charge unless they have enough evidence.

Yeah, that's what I mean. They don't have the weapons, so they have something else significant enough to charge him. There must be a reasonable prospect of a conviction I think they call it?

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« Reply #990 on: October 3, 2022, 10:24:45 am »
The crime and investigations reporter for the Liverpool Echo is currently live tweeting from the magistrates court as Thomas Cashman makes his first appearance.

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« Reply #992 on: October 3, 2022, 11:51:03 am »
Photos now. One in a super car showroom and one in Matou. Doesn’t look like the usual little scally, rat running the streets. Maybe he was a higher level, but wouldn’t have thought they would be “hands on”?

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« Reply #993 on: October 3, 2022, 12:26:41 pm »
Photos now. One in a super car showroom and one in Matou. Doesn’t look like the usual little scally, rat running the streets. Maybe he was a higher level, but wouldn’t have thought they would be “hands on”?
I said earlier in the thread before he was caught and named publicly, he's not a low level, North Face wearing, electric bike riding scally. He's higher up the chain and a well known, well connected criminal.

Those pictures of him with the supercars etc were out online weeks ago, as was his name and the fact it was him who killed Olivia.

The surprise is, as you said, that he went hands on rather than getting a local scrote to do it. Theories I've heard are that this hit was personal, and another simply being that he enjoys murder and this is not his only high profile hit. All allegedly, of course.
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« Reply #994 on: October 3, 2022, 01:58:28 pm »
I said earlier in the thread before he was caught and named publicly, he's not a low level, North Face wearing, electric bike riding scally. He's higher up the chain and a well known, well connected criminal.

Those pictures of him with the supercars etc were out online weeks ago, as was his name and the fact it was him who killed Olivia.

The surprise is, as you said, that he went hands on rather than getting a local scrote to do it. Theories I've heard are that this hit was personal, and another simply being that he enjoys murder and this is not his only high profile hit. All allegedly, of course.

The last bit has been rumoured for a while now, along with allegedly Nee has finally cracked on Thursday and implicated him.
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« Reply #995 on: October 3, 2022, 01:59:45 pm »
Not sure how true it is but read that Russell who was arrested for assisting, has gone into witness protection after giving a statement naming others involved in the murder.

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« Reply #996 on: October 3, 2022, 02:02:35 pm »
Not sure how true it is but read that Russell who was arrested for assisting, has gone into witness protection after giving a statement naming others involved in the murder.

he's going to claim he was forced to do the driving apparently as well
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« Reply #997 on: October 3, 2022, 02:19:10 pm »
No application for bail, remanded and trial date for march 6th 2023.
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« Reply #998 on: October 3, 2022, 02:35:34 pm »
I said earlier in the thread before he was caught and named publicly, he's not a low level, North Face wearing, electric bike riding scally. He's higher up the chain and a well known, well connected criminal.

Those pictures of him with the supercars etc were out online weeks ago, as was his name and the fact it was him who killed Olivia.

The surprise is, as you said, that he went hands on rather than getting a local scrote to do it. Theories I've heard are that this hit was personal, and another simply being that he enjoys murder and this is not his only high profile hit. All allegedly, of course.

Picture of him on the Echo app and looks like he’s wearing a Richard Mille watch. Now could be fake, but if it’s real, you don’t get one of them by working a days over time extra per month.

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« Reply #999 on: October 3, 2022, 03:41:18 pm »
Picture of him on the Echo app and looks like he’s wearing a Richard Mille watch. Now could be fake, but if it’s real, you don’t get one of them by working a days over time extra per month.

Maybe that was earned by the ‘second job’ Jake Berry was referring to? :D