Topic: Naby Keita Watch

[Mister Flip Flop]

People just need to be patient with him. He'll be great once he gets a run of games.

 

The only run of games he'll be getting is playing FIFA

Get rid.

[Caligula?]

Yeah, I don't think it's worth persisting with him anymore. Free up a place in the squad and wages for someone who won't be perennially injured.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Games on,I know I'll go and give a bit of snide about a lad who isn't even playing 

[mickeydocs]

Actually he's anything but..

You can always rely on Naby lad to get injured.. 

Such a shame that he won't live up to they hype. Time to accept reality and look to move him on.

[newterp]

"a knock"

But enough to delight the usual suspects in here.

no one is delighted - we are absolutely frustrated beyond words at this point because we only have seen glimpses of what kind of dynamic player he could have been. the problem is that at the level of cost we paid - we couldn't really afford for him to be an average player let alone pretty much a big miss.

and the never ending injuries are just perplexing as well.

[scatman]

same 'fans' who moan about the ESL in here during a game shitting on a player that isnt playing. watch the damn game.

[Kopout]

Been wanting him sold long time ago. now number of people still believe in him must be less then 10. get rid of sicknotes him and matip. sign players we can rely upon.

[aw1991]

no one is delighted - we are absolutely frustrated beyond words at this point because we only have seen glimpses of what kind of dynamic player he could have been. the problem is that at the level of cost we paid - we couldn't really afford for him to be an average player let alone pretty much a big miss.

and the never ending injuries are just perplexing as well.

Sorry, but that's not true.

[Dim Glas]

I think both will end up going but it should be noted that their injury problems both only started in the last few years, so I’m hoping that they still have long and successful careers ahead of them.

so worth noting their injury troubles started at Liverpool then.

If we’re getting rid of ‘sicknotes’, better throw Gomez on the pile.

[tubby]

so worth noting their injury troubles started at Liverpool then.

If we’re getting rid of ‘sicknotes’, better throw Gomez on the pile.

Think the difference between the two is that while Gomez gets injured a lot too, there have been long stretches of seasons where he's been a crucial part of our first 11.

You can't say the same for Keita, he's just never been a key component.

[Dim Glas]

Think the difference between the two is that while Gomez gets injured a lot too, there have been long stretches of seasons where he's been a crucial part of our first 11.

You can't say the same for Keita, he's just never been a key component.

No argument about Keita, time to try and get him out the door. I am more than done with him.

It’s the obsession here with a few with getting rid of our 2nd best centre back in Joel Matip that annoys me.

He deserves this next season to see if all the issues he had last year are cleared up. They may not be, but he deserves that shot, and is such a top class player, it’d be mad to get rid now.   

[jillcwhomever]

No argument about Keita, time to try and get him out the door. I am more than done with him.

It’s the obsession here with a few with getting rid of our 2nd best centre back in Joel Matip that annoys me.

He deserves this next season to see if all the issues he had last year are cleared up. They may not be, but he deserves that shot, and is such a top class player, it’d be mad to get rid now.

It's amazing how both of us were watching Keita back in the Bundesliga and not being able to curtail our excitement for him joining Liverpool. It just goes to prove there are no guarantees even if the player looks to suit our team. A shame its not worked out for him as he showed plenty of potential before.

[scatman]

No argument about Keita, time to try and get him out the door. I am more than done with him.

It’s the obsession here with a few with getting rid of our 2nd best centre back in Joel Matip that annoys me.

He deserves this next season to see if all the issues he had last year are cleared up. They may not be, but he deserves that shot, and is such a top class player, it’d be mad to get rid now.   

Aye he was a key part of that amazing run in at the end of the 2019 season and the CL win but he's a sicknote and we should get rid. Neither of these players had these issues at their previous clubs.

[Fromola]

Guinea coach ruined his career. We can't carry him any longer.

[Fromola]

No argument about Keita, time to try and get him out the door. I am more than done with him.

It’s the obsession here with a few with getting rid of our 2nd best centre back in Joel Matip that annoys me.

He deserves this next season to see if all the issues he had last year are cleared up. They may not be, but he deserves that shot, and is such a top class player, it’d be mad to get rid now.

Matip is a top class defender who is great for us when fit, so stands to reason we'd have patience there.

Keita has never really convinced Klopp even when he has been fit, he's been in and out the team. Keita hasn't kept Fab, Hendo or Gini on the bench for periods of time, for example, and Milner often used over him (and Jones this season). Then Thiago was signed last summer.

[RedSince86]

Guinea coach ruined his career. We can't carry him any longer.

Paul Put, absolute Dinosaur.
 

[Fromola]

Paul Put, absolute Dinosaur.

More like Pol Pot.

He's under a life ban now.

[RedSince86]

More like Pol Pot.

He's under a life ban now.

Went to FIFA to force the club to release Keita after CL final, even though he had hardly trained ,made him play in a pointless friendly before the AN, and the rest his history.

[Machae]

Went to FIFA to force the club to release Keita after CL final, even though he had hardly trained ,made him play in a pointless friendly before the AN, and the rest his history.

Maybe Keita needs to take some decisive action himself though and say hes not ready. I get that's easier said than done, especially when some fans of their respective countries are a bit mad, but hes no use to anyone if hes forced to retire early, or his chance at a big club is gone

[farawayred]

Maybe Keita needs to take some decisive action himself though and say hes not ready. I get that's easier said than done, especially when some fans of their respective countries are a bit mad, but hes no use to anyone if hes forced to retire early, or his chance at a big club is gone

I think that ship has sailed... Keita should have done that under Put, now is too little too late.

[Machae]

I think that ship has sailed... Keita should have done that under Put, now is too little too late.

Yeah, just the shouts about laying the blame squarely on his international manager at the time (which I largely agree with), however sometimes, players need to admit when their body is struggling and make that decision themselves. I get why he probably didnt feel comfortable doing so, however, now the player will have to take the consequences.

Such a shame, as hes such a quality player. Let's hope (yes I know), that the latest niggle is just precautionary and the extended layoff has addressed some of the underlying issues

[keyop]

Its entirely possible to like him as a player but be concerned about the injuries, and Klopp not picking him for key games. I don't think anyone genuinely wants a player to fail, but when they're constantly injured or not delivering on the pitch then its reasonable to expect fans to ask questions about his future.

Despite the often polarising opinions on him, there's no doubt he's moving closer to the exit door. The talent is there and he's shown glimpses of what he can do, but Klopp doesn't seem to pick him regularly when he's fit, so his opportunities to get the run of games that he needs to win a regular place just aren't there.

The other problem is that he's not like a Sturridge where there were long periods of great performances before the injuries took their toll - he's been hit and miss since joining despite the early promise. With Jones knocking on the door (and 6 years younger), Wijnaldum possibly going, and Ox also injury prone, then next season is probably Keita's make or break season (no pun intended).

[killer-heels]

The problem is he hasnt gotten a single second of time on the pitch since Madrid. Klopp hauled off Lovren early a few years ago and everybody thought he was finished but he returned pretty much straight away.

Keita was fit for a little while before the Madrid game. After that he was on the bench a number of matches but never got on once. Feels like his time is up.

However not sure yet what has happened this week. Whilst of course its shite he is injured again, we have lost other players to injury as well.

[Knight]

There's a few posters who keep saying this, and I'm one of them, but when he's been on the pitch he's, mostly, been very good for us. I'm trying to work out what's happened with him, he was picked a lot at the start of the season after all. I reckon Klopp's decided that he can't carry two players who, physically, aren't quite up to it (in comparison to the athleticism of Fab, Gini, Milner, Henderson) and so he won't play Thiago and Keita in the same 11. And Thiago, for relatively obvious reasons, is preferred. I also suspect Keita's injuries have taken a toll on him physically, perhaps he's always been quite slow after the initial 5/10 yard burst of acceleration which he's still got in him but I wouldn't be surprised if he's lost a little bit in top speed and also lost something of his initial acceleration.

[FLRed67]

Internet world options:

 “He just needs time”
 “How can you judge him? He hasn’t played!”
 “All those saying ‘get rid’ are so awful. They’re not like me. I’m a much better LFC fan than them”

Real world option:

1. Admit you made a mistake, including not doing enough due diligence and not paying enough attention to reports that were coming out of Germany regarding attitudes and off-field behavior, and
2. Cut your losses, and move on.

[LallanaInPyjamas]

No argument about Keita, time to try and get him out the door. I am more than done with him.

It’s the obsession here with a few with getting rid of our 2nd best centre back in Joel Matip that annoys me.

He deserves this next season to see if all the issues he had last year are cleared up. They may not be, but he deserves that shot, and is such a top class player, it’d be mad to get rid now.

Whether Matip gets over his injury issues or not, personally I'd be more than happy keeping him here until his contract is up, because he's consistently shown that he can come in cold with few issues (other than being more likely to get injured again of course!) and he'd be very difficult to replace. Central defenders with his skill-set don't grow on trees.

As a poster mentioned above, Keita has never established himself as a key player and is less consistent when he plays. He's far more replaceable - plenty of midfielders out there who can press and dribble if that's what we're looking for. Personally, think it's about time we focus more on what a midfielder brings on the ball than off it.

[JasonF]

Internet world options:

 “He just needs time”
 “How can you judge him? He hasn’t played!”
 “All those saying ‘get rid’ are so awful. They’re not like me. I’m a much better LFC fan than them”

Real world option:

1. Admit you made a mistake, including not doing enough due diligence and not paying enough attention to reports that were coming out of Germany regarding attitudes and off-field behavior, and
2. Cut your losses, and move on.

You do realise what the primary job of a supporter is?

Hint: it's not to pick the team, decide who we buy/sell, saying "get rid" at every opportunity and actually welcoming that opportunity.

I don't like it with Keita, Ox and Matip. I didn't like it with Sturridge, I didn't like it with Lucas or Henderson, I didn't like it with Rafa.

I'm not saying that makes me a "better Liverpool fan" than you, but I am not sure you really get what being a supporter is.

If Klopp wants him gone (not convinced he does) then fair enough, but he doesn't deserve to be hounded out like some people here think is acceptable. He's had a few injuries (a knock sounds minor to me), he's not done anything to embarrass the club like Diouf or itandje did. Maybe you don't think he's good enough as a footballer (I disagree) but he still deserves respect.

[.adam]

£53m we paid for him and he's been on the books for three years now.

Assuming he's on a five year deal then his ammortised value is £21.2m.

I'd imagine we'd be looking to sell him for something above that to show an accounting profit, even though we'll take a cash hit.

Probably achievable given that he's 26 and has shown glimpses of being something special. Maybe a £25m deal plus add-ons?

[LallanaInPyjamas]

You do realise what the primary job of a supporter is?

Hint: it's not to pick the team, decide who we buy/sell, saying "get rid" at every opportunity and actually welcoming that opportunity.

I don't like it with Keita, Ox and Matip. I didn't like it with Sturridge, I didn't like it with Lucas or Henderson, I didn't like it with Rafa.

I'm not saying that makes me a "better Liverpool fan" than you, but I am not sure you really get what being a supporter is.

If Klopp wants him gone (not convinced he does) then fair enough, but he doesn't deserve to be hounded out like some people here think is acceptable. He's had a few injuries (a knock sounds minor to me), he's not done anything to embarrass the club like Diouf or itandje did. Maybe you don't think he's good enough as a footballer (I disagree) but he still deserves respect.

I don't see anyone hounding him out or being particularly disrespectful to be honest, so kindly step off the high horse. Three years is ample time for a £60m footballer to show his worth at a club; "cut your losses" as the poster you have quoted suggested we should do seems like a perfectly reasonable turn of phrase.

Football fans are allowed to chat about the future of the club, on and off the field.

[Dim Glas]

I love how his price has gone up millions in just 2 posts

But yeah, nothing much disrespectful going on, considering the massive amount of frustration caused, it’s not like it’s a one off thing, and yes, not his fault with the constant injury issues. 

But the post Jason quoted - fair game that one, FLRed’s posts mostly are prickish, not sure what he/her’s issue is, but calling out how others support shouldn’t be something someone who loves to whinge and take digs at all and sundry should be doing.   

[Keith Lard]

I could see Naby doing great in a team like PSG. Lower pressure league like Ligue 1 to give him a bit of rest when needed, get him ready for the big CL games, French speaking, etc.

Love Naby and he has such a high ceiling - but I have a hunch he's going to realise it at another club. Too sad. Was really looking forward to the powerhouse Keita that went on mazy runs and scored beautiful goals for Leipzig.

Who knows - maybe we're all wrong. It would be very Klopp to persist for one more season and turn him into a success. The ceiling has always been world class with Keita.

[CalgarianRed]

Its entirely possible to like him as a player but be concerned about the injuries, and Klopp not picking him for key games. I don't think anyone genuinely wants a player to fail, but when they're constantly injured or not delivering on the pitch then its reasonable to expect fans to ask questions about his future.

Despite the often polarising opinions on him, there's no doubt he's moving closer to the exit door. The talent is there and he's shown glimpses of what he can do, but Klopp doesn't seem to pick him regularly when he's fit, so his opportunities to get the run of games that he needs to win a regular place just aren't there.

The other problem is that he's not like a Sturridge where there were long periods of great performances before the injuries took their toll - he's been hit and miss since joining despite the early promise. With Jones knocking on the door (and 6 years younger), Wijnaldum possibly going, and Ox also injury prone, then next season is probably Keita's make or break season (no pun intended).

We can't rely on Keita for next season if Gini leaves. That will be a disaster. Any injury to Henderson/Thiago/Fab and we are basically screwed like the CB crisis this season.

We will definitely need to sign a starting 11 midfielder regardless Keita stays or not. Keita/Ox/Jones is simply not good enough as backup for a top club. First two are injury prone and have stagnated and Jones is a youngster. 

[rob1966]

No argument about Keita, time to try and get him out the door. I am more than done with him.

It’s the obsession here with a few with getting rid of our 2nd best centre back in Joel Matip that annoys me.

He deserves this next season to see if all the issues he had last year are cleared up. They may not be, but he deserves that shot, and is such a top class player, it’d be mad to get rid now.   

You'll know better than most on here that he wasn't injured much during his time in Germany. Klopp admitted a few months ago Joel was injured going into the season and chose to play due to the other injuries. Hopefully this long lay off allows the medical staff to get him 100%, he's too good to lose.

[Dim Glas]

You'll know better than most on here that he wasn't injured much during his time in Germany. Klopp admitted a few months ago Joel was injured going into the season and chose to play due to the other injuries. Hopefully this long lay off allows the medical staff to get him 100%, he's too good to lose.

yeah I really hope that whatever issues have had time to properly heal for sure. it is frustrating, as indeed, he was anything but a crock at Schalke! From the time he became a regular, he was pretty much always available - he’d get a few games on the bench, but other than that he’d play.  Just one season he had issues - when he fractured his foot and was out a while. The season before he came to Liverpool he played every minute of every league game.

As you say he is too good to lose.  Just cross everything that he will be ok!  I gladly admit, I am a fully fledged member of the Joel Matip fan-club, and I am not ready to see him go 

[newterp]

Internet world options:

 “He just needs time”
 “How can you judge him? He hasn’t played!”
 “All those saying ‘get rid’ are so awful. They’re not like me. I’m a much better LFC fan than them”

Real world option:

1. Admit you made a mistake, including not doing enough due diligence and not paying enough attention to reports that were coming out of Germany regarding attitudes and off-field behavior, and
2. Cut your losses, and move on.

This seems made up. Especially given how rigorous our vetting process is about attitudes and mentality.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

This seems made up. Especially given how rigorous our vetting process is about attitudes and mentality.

It is made up.

[Hazell]

It is made up.

Just the bolded part or the whole post?

[So… Howard Philips]

Just the bolded part or the whole post?

I'd like to see the evidence for the bolded part - or us it just made up?

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Just the bolded part or the whole post?

I'll go out on a limb and say the whole lot.

[johnj147]

If shankly was in charge this guy would have been binned 2 years ago