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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13960 on: March 20, 2023, 09:55:56 am »
Anyone hoping we would sign him were living in dreamland. We've never spent that much on one player under FSG and we never will. Only last week Henry was on record that we would spend responsibly. Get used to this under them, it'll just be modest spending on players with high potential and low/medium risk.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13961 on: March 20, 2023, 09:56:09 am »
No matter the cost of Bellingham, surely there is a case to be made for him actually being good value for money. Even at well over 100 million. And whatever you may say about FSG ownership, they do appreciate good value for money deals. Bellingham is THE number one rising English star alongside Saka. He is a midfielder without a single gap in his skillset and is still only 19. Whatever you pay for him, similar to Van Dijk and Ali deals - it may look like peanuts in just a season or two. Because you hope to keep him for 5-6 years at least.

Also a question about talent levels at the club right now. We have Alisson, Trent, Konate, Diaz, Mo and maybe Nunez as our players that would fetch really big money?

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« Reply #13962 on: March 20, 2023, 09:56:26 am »
Nunes isn't very good, but we still seem strongly linked and talk was as if a deal was agreed.

Also we appear to be fucking broke so yeah Nunes is ideal for that, low wages, low transfer fee, can get him in and say job done maybe
There's no way he's relatively cheap given who his agent is and how much Wolves paid

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13963 on: March 20, 2023, 09:56:56 am »
Also, David Ornstein’s piece ties in with a snippet we heard from some people inside Liverpool saying there are concerns about putting all our eggs in one basket. Believe that was Joyce, but can’t be certain. Regardless, these are good journalists who are not clickbaiters in the traditional sense of the word. They’re just telling us what we don’t want to hear but Ornstein in particular has the best contact book in the English game I feel.

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That wasn't a snippet, that was clinical telling lies and a few people lapped it up (clearly, some still are).
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13964 on: March 20, 2023, 09:57:18 am »
Anyone hoping we would sign him were living in dreamland. We've never spent that much on one player under FSG and we never will. Only last week Henry was on record that we would spend responsibly. Get used to this under them, it'll just be modest spending on players with high potential and low/medium risk.

Thats fine as a strategy. Problem is we have stopped doing that as well to the level that was needed.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13965 on: March 20, 2023, 09:57:39 am »
Given that Bellingham hasn’t yet indicated to Dortmund if he will sign a new deal or not, I find it unlikely that any negotiations have taken place with Dortmund, indeed, no source says they have. So I think you chicken licken types can push your despair back a few weeks
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13966 on: March 20, 2023, 09:59:10 am »
Are we not just better off going into full rebuild selling anyone approaching near 30 who we can get funds for maybe Allison apart, I mean what sense is there in hanging onto an aging core that is losing value without the significant transfer funds needed to rebuild the team in the short term.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13967 on: March 20, 2023, 09:59:35 am »
Why would Bellingham use up all of out budget but it wouldnt for other clubs? It isnt like we've had massive transfer windows recently.

In part because it looks like we'll lose a shitload of money due to not being in the CL due to writing a season off hoping to get Bellingham next year.

Not that we'd have spent big anyway but missing out on top 4 would put us in the bargain bucket.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13968 on: March 20, 2023, 09:59:44 am »
There's no way he's relatively cheap given who his agent is and how much Wolves paid

I mean relative to players we would be looking to sign. Compared to Bellingham or Barella or Caicedo or Macallister etc, he is cheap. He isn't good enough but hey how perception you signed someone I guess

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13969 on: March 20, 2023, 10:00:55 am »
Believe what you like but ornstein didn't write an article based on guesswork. He's one of the best, most trusted journalists out there.

He works for the Athletic, who have made a loss for years. They are a pure clickbait organisation.

https://awfulannouncing.com/athletic/new-york-times-athletic-earnings.html

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« Reply #13970 on: March 20, 2023, 10:07:02 am »
He works for the Athletic, who have made a loss for years. They are a pure clickbait organisation.

https://awfulannouncing.com/athletic/new-york-times-athletic-earnings.html

Like I say, believe what you like. Ornstein has a history of being immaculately sourced.
3 midfielders minimum in the next window. And probably another young CB to boot.

Anything else is negligent.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13971 on: March 20, 2023, 10:08:54 am »
Are we not just better off going into full rebuild selling anyone approaching near 30 who we can get funds for maybe Allison apart, I mean what sense is there in hanging onto an aging core that is losing value without the significant transfer funds needed to rebuild the team in the short term.

It's a bit of a confused model in that if you want to generate your own transfer funds via sales then you can't let the squad get old. It's helped in the past having a few easy wins like Brewster and Solanke being sold for 20+ million or 30 million for Benteke. Keita and Ox should have been sold  1-2 years ago and been replaced.

We're too slow to do things and don't do enough.

2019 - signed nobody bar a back-up goalkeeper
2020 - 2 first team ready players, a back up left back and a back up forward. Okay in itself but at least 2 of those players should have been signed the year before which would have made sure we signed the centre back we needed
2021 - one centre back. Again, should have been done the year before with a Wijnaldum replacement a priority and a back up RB at least
2022 - two forwards and a young back up RB. The back up RB hasn't been in the first team all season and again the midfield was neglected
2023 - need 2-3 first XI ready midfielders, 1-2 new defenders and potentially another forward. The idea we'd sign Bellingham for what it'll cost and get the others in without some big sales is cloudcuckooland.


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« Reply #13972 on: March 20, 2023, 10:09:23 am »
Bellingham will be a Liverpool player this summer, no shitty article from Ornstein will change my mind on that. I know our owners and transfer team do get a bit of stick but even they aint dumb enough to spend two years chasing a world class player only to suddenly realise he costs too much. I still think we’re one of the favourites and I think he’ll come to us.. We should set up a media watch page so some people can see clearly how many times these journos contradict themselves, how they cover all their bases, how they name drop a bunch of players knowing one will stick and just how many times they are wrong, maybe that will stop some of you from losing your shit?
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« Reply #13973 on: March 20, 2023, 10:10:24 am »
Christian Falk was also raising doubts in regards to the deal last week.

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« Reply #13974 on: March 20, 2023, 10:11:27 am »
He works for the Athletic, who have made a loss for years. They are a pure clickbait organisation.

https://awfulannouncing.com/athletic/new-york-times-athletic-earnings.html
And if he said Bellingham was joining us would be no mention of this.

He is a legit journalist

The sooner people realise Bellingham isnt joining the better.

We had lots of talk of Fernandez in January for 100m

Some just never learn.
We will spend about 100m total in the summer maybe more with sales.

This is why letting old players go a free & on huge wages into their 30's is awful planning.
Fabinho needs to be moved on this summer.

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« Reply #13975 on: March 20, 2023, 10:12:56 am »
And if he said Bellingham was joining us would be no mention of this.

He is a legit journalist

The sooner people realise Bellingham isnt joining the better.

We had lots of talk of Fernandez in January for 100m

Some just never learn.
We will spend about 100m total in the summer maybe more with sales.

This is why letting old players go a free & on huge wages into their 30's is awful planning.
Fabinho needs to be moved on this summer.

That week when we were signing Bellingham and Fernandez was a good week.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13976 on: March 20, 2023, 10:13:26 am »
Sander Berge it is.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13977 on: March 20, 2023, 10:15:17 am »
Bellingham will be a Liverpool player this summer, no shitty article from Ornstein will change my mind on that. I know our owners and transfer team do get a bit of stick but even they aint dumb enough to spend two years chasing a world class player only to suddenly realise he costs too much. I still think we’re one of the favourites and I think he’ll come to us.. We should set up a media watch page so some people can see clearly how many times these journos contradict themselves, how they cover all their bases, how they name drop a bunch of players knowing one will stick and just how many times they are wrong, maybe that will stop some of you from losing your shit?

You wonder if it's all dependent on getting top 4 though. When we sat on our hands last year we didn't think we'd drop off to the extent we'd miss out on top 4.

Even if we do get top 4 the budget isn't going to be huge.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13978 on: March 20, 2023, 10:17:27 am »
You wonder if it's all dependent on getting top 4 though. When we sat on our hands last year we didn't think we'd drop off to the extent we'd miss out on top 4.

Even if we do get top 4 the budget isn't going to be huge.

Thing is if you drop out the top four and then dont invest, whilst others do, it makes getting into the top four more difficult.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13979 on: March 20, 2023, 10:18:21 am »
He works for the Athletic, who have made a loss for years. They are a pure clickbait organisation.

https://awfulannouncing.com/athletic/new-york-times-athletic-earnings.html
The Athletic are the best sports media platform out there, spend more than anyone on local sports journalism and they're owned by The New York Times. What they do - original reporting - is literally the opposite of clickbait. I'm not sure what making a loss has to do with anything when that describes 99% of all media organisations out there.

As for the general thrust, the transfer isn't going to be decided this week so people have to chill. Feels like every good or bad result or piece of transfer speculation leads to a flurry of ultra positive/negative posts sneering at anyone who thought anything else would happen.

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« Reply #13980 on: March 20, 2023, 10:18:24 am »
Some of you must be an absolute fucking nightmare to be around on a daily basis IRL  ;D

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13981 on: March 20, 2023, 10:19:54 am »
Some of you must be an absolute fucking nightmare to be around on a daily basis IRL  ;D

Where as your accountancy bantz has them all gagging for more? ;)

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13982 on: March 20, 2023, 10:20:47 am »
And if he said Bellingham was joining us would be no mention of this.

He is a legit journalist

The sooner people realise Bellingham isnt joining the better.

We had lots of talk of Fernandez in January for 100m

Some just never learn.
We will spend about 100m total in the summer maybe more with sales.

This is why letting old players go a free & on huge wages into their 30's is awful planning.
Fabinho needs to be moved on this summer.
If he actually came out and said he was joining anyone then that's one thing, but he's not. Him and The Atheltic have changed their angle plenty over the last few months/weeks on Bellingham. We've been favourites, Madrid out because of the money involved, City not favourites, Chelsea involved, Chelsea not involved, City and Madrid favourites. It's at point where you question whether it's worth listening to them unless they want to actually state something is happening and ignore the 'updates' The Mount and Chelsea contract situation seems like that as well for them.

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« Reply #13983 on: March 20, 2023, 10:21:59 am »
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« Reply #13984 on: March 20, 2023, 10:21:59 am »
Klopp did point out about top 4 shouldn't impact our budget, but the fact he had to say it suggests he knows it will.

Arsenal and United still outspend us when we are in the CL and they aren't and neither have been state owned either.
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« Reply #13985 on: March 20, 2023, 10:22:27 am »
Where as your accountancy bantz has them all gagging for more? ;)

I mean it's no xG in boring number talk, I know  ;D

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« Reply #13986 on: March 20, 2023, 10:23:48 am »
And if he said Bellingham was joining us would be no mention of this.

He is a legit journalist

The sooner people realise Bellingham isnt joining the better.

We had lots of talk of Fernandez in January for 100m

Some just never learn.
We will spend about 100m total in the summer maybe more with sales.

This is why letting old players go a free & on huge wages into their 30's is awful planning.
Fabinho needs to be moved on this summer.

Based on past behaviour, we're not spending 100 million without sales even if we do finish Top 4
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« Reply #13987 on: March 20, 2023, 10:24:42 am »
Apart from finance available the other huge question is whose doing the planning and the buying this summer?
If the easy ‘get the worlds most dynamic young MF’ thing doesn’t pan out whose in charge of creating and executing plan B?

Plan B is 'wait a bit longer'.
3 midfielders minimum in the next window. And probably another young CB to boot.

Anything else is negligent.

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« Reply #13988 on: March 20, 2023, 10:25:19 am »
Arsenal and United still outspend us when we are in the CL and they aren't and neither have been state owned either.

Both have had the help of a huge cash pile though, which both have now used up.

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« Reply #13989 on: March 20, 2023, 10:28:08 am »
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« Reply #13990 on: March 20, 2023, 10:28:25 am »
Both have had the help of a huge cash pile though, which both have now used up.

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« Reply #13991 on: March 20, 2023, 10:29:07 am »
Both have had the help of a huge cash pile though, which both have now used up.
your the #1 FSG apologist.


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« Reply #13992 on: March 20, 2023, 10:30:43 am »
your the #1 FSG apologist.



Considering he is Linda Henry I would imagine so.

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« Reply #13993 on: March 20, 2023, 10:31:22 am »
Both have had the help of a huge cash pile though, which both have now used up.

This has been wheeled out for years only for the sides to continue spending. What is it based on?

ffs not long ago chelsea were 'spending now just to appease the fans but it wont continue'... cue them spending a few more hundred million in the next window :lmao

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« Reply #13994 on: March 20, 2023, 10:35:47 am »
Was looking forward to 2 weeks without negativity as Liverpool weren't playing, looks like it didn't even last 5 days!!

Really poor if we suddenly don't fancy it at the price we've known it would cost for a long time- we've waited and wasted so much time and considering we wanted Tchouameni at £70m last summer alongside Bellingham this summer there has to be money available (even if its structure/ borrowed)

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
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« Reply #13996 on: March 20, 2023, 10:36:55 am »
Both have had the help of a huge cash pile though, which both have now used up.

Sure fire way to be skint in the PL is to not spend. Either from lost CL revenue or from clubs down the bottom not investing and ending up relegated.

Saving money by not spending is a false economy, it'll just cost you more down the line.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13997 on: March 20, 2023, 10:37:34 am »
your the #1 FSG apologist.

....you're.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13998 on: March 20, 2023, 10:38:46 am »
Was looking forward to 2 weeks without negativity as Liverpool weren't playing, looks like it didn't even last 5 days!!

Really poor if we suddenly don't fancy it at the price we've known it would cost for a long time- we've waited and wasted so much time and considering we wanted Tchouameni at £70m last summer alongside Bellingham this summer there has to be money available (even if its structure/ borrowed)

Money went on Nunez with Mane deciding to leave imo. Add likely no UCL next season to the mix. FSG won't change their approach wherever we finish. So it's not really a surprise. The biggest issue is we seem to be making bad decisions all over. We won the league because we got everything spot on.
Thank Fowler we're not getting Caulker

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023
« Reply #13999 on: March 20, 2023, 10:38:58 am »
And if he said Bellingham was joining us would be no mention of this.

He is a legit journalist

The sooner people realise Bellingham isnt joining the better.

We had lots of talk of Fernandez in January for 100m

Some just never learn.
We will spend about 100m total in the summer maybe more with sales.

This is why letting old players go a free & on huge wages into their 30's is awful planning.
Fabinho needs to be moved on this summer.

I personally don't care if Bellingham joins or not, he'd be a fantastic addition for sure but not at the expense of the overhaul the midfield needs.

How we've got to this position of needing 2-3 midfielders is a collective failure top to bottom.

However the Athletic is still a clickbait site, there is a reason Klopp kicked off with Pearce recently.