Topic: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD 2023 - archived discussions about what’s offensive

[Phineus]

So it seems Ugarte put on a clinic last night against Arsenal, anyone watch him?

Think he must surely be the 6 we go for in summer.

[El Lobo]

So it seems Ugarte put on a clinic last night against Arsenal, anyone watch him?

Think he must surely be the 6 we go for in summer.

He's a Mendes client so it checks out

[clinical]

We should aim to be a final destination club and not sell to our CL competition...

I thought we were on a path to finally getting to that position in the last few years.

I mean if we want to continously compete rather than having cycles we may have to do both if FSG don't want to put more money in. We may have to sacrifice a top player every now and again.

[Ratboy3G]

Klopp built the team. We were a complete and utter mess before he joined and fixed us.

It's actually quite disrespecful to him to try and put the success on the owners when the reality is they've single handedly held the team back by not backing him

Al, is that you?

[killer-heels]

So it seems Ugarte put on a clinic last night against Arsenal, anyone watch him?

Think he must surely be the 6 we go for in summer.

He put on a clinic in kicking people.

[Gerry Attrick]

He put on a clinic in kicking people.

Was going to say he’d probably miss as many games through suspension as ours do with injury.

[Draex]

Was going to say he’d probably miss as many games through suspension as ours do with injury.

Soon train him in the dark arts.. I'd love a Fernandinho/Kante/Masher type no.6.. A destroyer letting everyone else get on with attacking!

[killer-heels]

Soon train him in the dark arts.. I'd love a Fernandinho/Kante/Masher type no.6.. A destroyer letting everyone else get on with attacking!

Its great having a player like that but I wasnt that impressed, was very basic in his approach. I think there are better players out there for us.

But he plays in Portugal so that means he no doubt will be top choice.

[Caston]

Its great having a player like that but I wasnt that impressed, was very basic in his approach. I think there are better players out there for us.

But he plays in Portugal so that means he no doubt will be top choice.

I've seen Arsenal fans say he bossed their entire midfield.

[rafathegaffa83]

But he plays in Portugal so that means he no doubt will be top choice.

With Ward leaving who knows if we'll retain an interest in the Portuguese league

[DelTrotter]

His passing looks extremely limited, it's mostly 5-10 yard easy passes, anything more seemed a bit complicated and either given away or a pass which reached it's target but left his teammate in a shit spot. While not expecting Pirlo back there I don't think we'd want someone that limited either. Looks good defensively though and didn't seem to mind being pressed but he'd be off after 10mins any time we played a Manchester club.

[So… Howard Philips]

Was going to say he’d probably miss as many games through suspension as ours do with injury.

But how many of ours would he injure in training?

[clinical]

Its great having a player like that but I wasnt that impressed, was very basic in his approach. I think there are better players out there for us.

But he plays in Portugal so that means he no doubt will be top choice.

He was great in what he did. He did more in that game than Nunes has done all season for Wolves. Sounds like they are roughly the same price too.

[robertobaggio37]

So it seems Ugarte put on a clinic last night against Arsenal, anyone watch him?

Think he must surely be the 6 we go for in summer.

It makes too much sense so I doubt it

[Stockholm Syndrome]

Its great having a player like that but I wasnt that impressed, was very basic in his approach. I think there are better players out there for us.

But he plays in Portugal so that means he no doubt will be top choice.

What about Florentino Luis? I know you looked at him in the periphery while looking at Enzo Fernandez, how does he stack up?

[JackWard33]

His passing looks extremely limited, it's mostly 5-10 yard easy passes, anything more seemed a bit complicated and either given away or a pass which reached it's target but left his teammate in a shit spot. While not expecting Pirlo back there I don't think we'd want someone that limited either. Looks good defensively though and didn't seem to mind being pressed but he'd be off after 10mins any time we played a Manchester club.

He's gets it and gives it - a water carrier is exactly what we need. We currently don't have anyone doing the 'get it' part .. and his numbers as a ball winner are ridiculous
His ball retention in Portugal are fantastic fwiw and he kept it really well vs Arsenal who are pretty much as good as it gets at the moment
There might be better options - maybe Florentino Luis is a bit more complete, certainly Rice is but they're 2 and 3 years older - I'd be excited if we bought him

[DelTrotter]

He's gets it and gives it - a water carrier is exactly what we need. We currently don't have anyone doing the 'get it' part 
His ball retention numbers in Portugal are fantastic fwiw and he kept it really well vs Arsenal who are pretty much as good as it gets at the moment
There might be better options - maybe Florentino Luis is a bit more complete, certainly Rice is but they're 2 and 3 years older - I'd be excited if we bought him

Yep, not doing anything more than easy 5-10 yard passes all the time will give you great pass completion % for sure.

[JackWard33]

Yep, not doing anything more than easy 5-10 yard passes all the time will give you great pass completion % for sure.

Sure
He starts every game for us based on our current squad though

[killer-heels]

What about Florentino Luis? I know you looked at him in the periphery while looking at Enzo Fernandez, how does he stack up?

Yeah he looked good a bit more composed. Both him and that Ugarte are pure defensive midfielders, you won't get much passing ability from them which is something Fabinho had when he was good.

[DelTrotter]

Sure
He starts every game for us based on our current squad though

That's not much of a compliment to be fair, that applies to about 200 midfielders.

[Phineus]

He put on a clinic in kicking people.

Great, means he actually gets close enough to opposition midfielders then.

[El Lobo]

Sure

He starts every game for us based on our current squad though

Hardly a ringing endorsement is it?

[JackWard33]

That's not much of a compliment to be fair, that applies to about 200 midfielders.

There aren't 200 midfielders with his ball winning numbers ...more like 2
So it depends what we want to buy and what our budget is

[amir87]

Him winning the ball and playing simple 5/10 yard passes will be fine if he's got elite ball carriers like Bellingham alongside him.

[classycarra]

Haven't watched him, for any of the seasoned RAWK scouts how does he compare to his similarly short compatriot Torreira?

[Draex]

His passing looks extremely limited, it's mostly 5-10 yard easy passes, anything more seemed a bit complicated and either given away or a pass which reached it's target but left his teammate in a shit spot. While not expecting Pirlo back there I don't think we'd want someone that limited either. Looks good defensively though and didn't seem to mind being pressed but he'd be off after 10mins any time we played a Manchester club.

What do you want from your no.6? His passing accuracy over the season is 91%.. I'd love a player who is extremly press resistant and doesn't turn over the ball, whilst being great at winning it back.

We have more than enough creative players, we need some piano carriers.

[LovelyCushionedHeader]

Yeah all you need from a no. 6 on the ball is for him to be able to give it to more creative players. Him playing simple 5-10 yard passes shouldn't be seen as a negative.

[Barefoot Doctor]

We should be buying whoever the 2023 version of Fabinho at Monaco is. Dominating in a good team, physical but also really tactically astute, and ready to take the step up to become world class in their position.

Maybe that's Ugarte, maybe not. Personally think Florentino Luis profiles slightly better, but who knows.

[clinical]

We should be buying whoever the 2023 version of Fabinho at Monaco is. Dominating in a good team, physical but also really tactically astute, and ready to take the step up to become world class in their position.

Maybe that's Ugarte, maybe not. Personally think Florentino Luis profiles slightly better, but who knows.

Fabinho beats him in a sprint. Jorginho hot on his heels.

[El Lobo]

Florentino Luis it is then

[DelTrotter]

Florentino Luis it is then

 

[Asam]

Attacking    8 - Bellingham
Controlling 8 - Mount, Rice, Sukic
Defensive.  6.- Luis, Ugarte, Baleba, Nunes, Kone

Feels like we're going to take a risk on some of the other positions if we go all out for Bellingham

[El Lobo]

Attacking    8 - Bellingham
Controlling 8 - Mount, Rice, Sukic
Defensive.  6.- Luis, Ugarte, Baleba, Nunes, Kone

Feels like we're going to take a risk on some of the other positions if we go all out for Bellingham

Thats all over the shop

[Legs]

For the stats guys what is Forfana like at Monaco isn’t he a 6 ?

[Lycan]

Thats all over the shop

Tell me about it.

[Asam]

Thats all over the shop

Yes, its the names we've been linked with so far in the press

[Lycan]

Yes, its the names we've been linked with so far in the press

He's talking about the types of midfielders you assigned them as.

[Agent99]

We just need to fuck off what ever experiment we tried with Salah/Diaz hugging the touchline and our fullbacks underlapping! My hope is the Gakpo signing says that is being binned.

Wouldn't surprise me if the links to Frimpong are legit. Can play RM and RB so would cover Trent and can play the wide role in the underlapping fullback system. Which is wank by the way 

[Tobelius]

Wouldn't surprise me if the links to Frimpong are legit. Can play RM and RB so would cover Trent and can play the wide role in the underlapping fullback system. Which is wank by the way 

Haven't seen any serious links but if true would fit us imo,very attacking,very quick,at the right age and Trent'd have some serious competition for the first time to maybe kick him into gear.

[Legs]

Wouldn't surprise me if the links to Frimpong are legit. Can play RM and RB so would cover Trent and can play the wide role in the underlapping fullback system. Which is wank by the way 

Homegrown as well I think ?