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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #200 on: August 5, 2015, 11:46:40 pm »
Sounds as though a few on here have identified an early scapegoat. Or at least identified the first stick to beat BR with. 
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Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #201 on: August 6, 2015, 12:39:45 am »
Gomez won the position in preseason and now it's his to lose. Simple as that. Moreno won't roll over I'm sure, and if Gomez slips up he'll be there but IMO and it appears the opinion of our manager Gomez has won the chance to start.

Of course it could also be that coming off injury an a Li,item preseason (as with Firmino) that they wanted him to have the extra time training at the club rather than travelling. For me it's close enough that I'm comfortable with the managers call either way.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #202 on: August 6, 2015, 12:41:18 am »
Let's be real though, Lovren isn't 1/10th the defender Sakho is, yet he's Rodgers preference.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #203 on: August 6, 2015, 05:28:22 am »
Sounds as though a few on here have identified an early scapegoat. Or at least identified the first stick to beat BR with.
It's exhausting to read. Would love Lovren to be our player of the season just to show all the keyboard warriors how much they really know :)

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #204 on: August 6, 2015, 05:48:11 am »
Let's be real though, Lovren isn't 1/10th the defender Sakho is, yet he's Rodgers preference.

Are you saying Gomez is 1/10th the defender Moreno is?

Because I can't see how you're post has any meaning unless that's is what you are saying. That's not something I'd agree with. Gomez is 100% of his Liverpool career has looked better than Moreno, why should Rodgers be afraid to give him a chance?
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #205 on: August 6, 2015, 06:40:56 am »
Scary, now every thread is used as a way to down the manager  :o ; can't hardly wait for real football to start.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #206 on: August 6, 2015, 09:06:01 am »
Sounds as though a few on here have identified an early scapegoat. Or at least identified the first stick to beat BR with.

If voicing concern at not having any kind of settled back 4 coming into his fourth season at the club is beating Brendan with a stick, and worry that debuting yet 2 more new full backs away at Stoke is not a risk then Im guilty.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #207 on: August 6, 2015, 09:47:42 am »
Rodgers is being questioned as he had a season last year that he should have been sacked for. You'd be mad not to question his decisions after last year. Absolute shit we were. Lets not forget that
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #208 on: August 6, 2015, 09:50:09 am »
Rodgers is being questioned as he had a season last year that he should have been sacked for. You'd be mad not to question his decisions after last year. Absolute shit we were. Lets not forget that

Maybe people should wait until the game actually happens instead of moaning about it now?

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #209 on: August 6, 2015, 09:50:51 am »
Rodgers is being questioned as he had a season last year that he should have been sacked for. You'd be mad not to question his decisions after last year. Absolute shit we were. Lets not forget that

Why does the above have to be residing in the Gomez thread. Open a new thread for that debate rather than clogging the player threads with same old moans.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #210 on: August 6, 2015, 10:27:50 am »
Where we actually that bad last season. Some of the results where bad and some of the performances weren't what they should have been but we won 18 games in the league and fair enough we lost 12 which is bad for us but we never had a player who was consistently scoring goals. Add to that that we reached 2 semi-finals and it's not as bad as some people like to make out. Compared to the season before it is but then again so would 99% of our seasons in the Premier League. I will caveat that the CL performance and subsequent EL performance was abysmal

As for Gomez he has looked very good in preseason. Has defended well, has shown good game inteligence and seems to have adjusted to life at the club quicker than any 18 year old I've seen. He has the talent to make any position across our back 4 his own and to be talked about as the highest rated defender to come out of England since Rio Ferdinand is high praise indeed. Let him get on with his game and he'll be a gem

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #211 on: August 6, 2015, 10:32:57 am »
Rodgers is being questioned as he had a season last year that he should have been sacked for. You'd be mad not to question his decisions after last year. Absolute shit we were. Lets not forget that

Really? Prior to 2013/14 we had finished 7th, 7th, 8th and 7th. Last season we sold the 3rd best player in the world and our other top striker was injured for 3/4 of the season and we finished 6th, narrowly behind 5th.

After a poor season and particularly the way it ended I would have understood if the owners had taken that decision but I'm glad they decided that sacking a manager after 1 poor season wasn't a route they wanted to go down. Was a time when that was expected, that support of the manager.

Either way this isn't the place.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #212 on: August 6, 2015, 01:55:24 pm »
Rodgers is being questioned as he had a season last year that he should have been sacked for. You'd be mad not to question his decisions after last year. Absolute shit we were. Lets not forget that
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #213 on: August 6, 2015, 02:02:25 pm »
Back to the hype.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #214 on: August 6, 2015, 02:29:55 pm »
Moreno is short while Gomez is a big lad. Starting Gomez over Moreno vs Stoke could just be a tactical decision.

Also the whole Lovren thing is more to do with Rodgers stating he wants a settled backline. Sakho misses a lot of games due to niggling injuries. Lovren needs to get games and be sharp as possible, so just maybe its more a selection based on availability.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #215 on: August 6, 2015, 02:42:55 pm »
Moreno is short while Gomez is a big lad. Starting Gomez over Moreno vs Stoke could just be a tactical decision.

Also the whole Lovren thing is more to do with Rodgers stating he wants a settled backline. Sakho misses a lot of games due to niggling injuries. Lovren needs to get games and be sharp as possible, so just maybe its more a selection based on availability.

I don't buy that reasoning for Lovren. To me, its just another attempt to try to pin our lack of defensive ability on something else. First it was lack of front foot defending, then winning your battles, then the style of the team and now potentially changing in individuals could be an issue. Bar the 3-4-2-1, we have never looked secure at the back under Rodgers.

I was delighted we signed Lovren but quite frankly he has been terrible. One of the worst signings I can recall us making. There appears to be very little obvious rationale as to why anyone would choose Lovren over Sakho. Personally, I don't think he has ever rated Sakho that highly. In my own opinion, whilst he deserves to start ahead of Lovren, I don't think he is as great as people on here think he is.

Rodgers though is doing the right thing. This could very well be his last season here so he might as well go with his gut and choose the player he thinks gives him the best chance of doing well. We cannot say to him be all 'Rodgers' and believe in his attacking philosophy and then all moan when he applies that to other things, such as selection.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #216 on: August 6, 2015, 03:29:08 pm »
We need this guy partnering Sakho playing a high line, would o wonders or the team as a whole, and before anyone melts at the prospect of reminding me of his age, I reckon this would be negated by the luxury of playing two player together that aren't polar opposites and could be moulded into a cohesive unit.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #217 on: August 6, 2015, 03:38:50 pm »
It's exhausting to read. Would love Lovren to be our player of the season just to show all the keyboard warriors how much they really know :)

You'll be fucking waiting a while for that to happen.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #218 on: August 7, 2015, 07:55:30 am »
Pretty clear he'll start.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/brendan-rodgers-set-trust-teenage-9806708

Jordon Ibe is used to having responsibility thrust upon him at the Britannia Stadium.

The last time Liverpool were there, it was the youngster who was shoved in front of the cameras to explain away the club’s heaviest competitive defeat for 53 years.

And this despite the fact that he had entered the game only at half time, by which time his side were already 5-0 down.

Even at the time, it appeared a shocking dereliction of duty from the Reds’ senior players. How did they allow 19-year-old to face up to the inquisition like that. Kolo Toure, another substitute, was the only other player who spoke to the media that day.

For Ibe, however, it may prove to be a useful experience. On Sunday, he looks set to be put under the microscope again – this time on the field.

It looks increasingly likely that the winger will be given the nod to start Liverpool’s opening Premier League game of the season, as Brendan Rodgers prepares to put his trust in youth. Ibe is expected to be joined in the team by 18-year-old Joe Gomez, reward for the defender’s stellar showings in pre-season.

It represents a significant show of faith from the Reds boss, who has always spoke of his desire to give young players chances, but who has simultaneously been working hard to add “proven” quality to his squad over the summer.

Should Ibe and Gomez start at Stoke, it will mean Alberto Moreno (Ł12m) and Lazar Markovic (Ł20m) will miss out.

And while that means questions could legitimately be asked of the club’s recruitment policy, for Rodgers it is a return to the kind of meritocracy which marked his first two seasons on Merseyside. If you’re good enough, you’re most certainly old enough.

It is less than three years since Rodgers marked his first home league game as Liverpool boss by handing a maiden Premier League start to 17-year-old Raheem Sterling. Later that season, he would make Jerome Sinclair the youngest player in the club’s history, and go to Goodison Park with a team containing three teenagers – Andre Wisdom and Suso joining Sterling in the line-up.

Times have changed since then, of course. Liverpool’s squad is significantly deeper now than it was then, for starters.

But the stakes are also higher. Rodgers’ reputation, so damaged at the back end of last season, is on the line, and his apparent willingness to throw two teenagers into such a vital game speaks volumes for how highly he rates both.

Ibe, of course, furthered his claims during the second half of last season with a string of effervescent displays on the right flank, and during pre-season it was noticeable how much of Liverpool’s play went through him.

The former Wycombe man, clearly, is destined for big, big things. He has speed, he has strength and he has skill. He also possesses a calm, unflappable nature, and the ability to strike the ball with either foot. At 19, his is a rare talent.

So too Gomez’s. Signed after an excellent debut campaign with Charlton in the Championship, he has wasted no time in showing Rodgers and his coaching staff what he is all about. Sean O’Driscoll, Liverpool’s assistant manager, knows him well form his time as England U17 coach, and Rodgers too has been impressed by Gomez’s composure, physicality and ball-playing ability.

So much so, in fact, that he had no qualms about sending Wisdom, a more experienced player, out on loan to Norwich, and will have no worries about asking Gomez to play, even out of position at left back, at one of the Premier League’s more testing away grounds.

Of course the key thing for a young player is to take chances as and when they arrive.

We will see on Sunday what Ibe and Gomez are made of, and just how well-placed Rodgers’ faith is in his young prodigies.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #219 on: August 7, 2015, 08:14:21 am »
Just weird that Gomez is given a chance straight away while Ilori can get even half a chance. They seem to be a similar type of player, tall, quick and cultured centrebacks.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #220 on: August 7, 2015, 08:18:41 am »
Just weird that Gomez is given a chance straight away while Ilori can get even half a chance. They seem to be a similar type of player, tall, quick and cultured centrebacks.

Ilori has never had a full pre season with us. I rate Ilori and definitely hope he is given a first team chance at some point. But I don't think it's weird that Gomez got a chance when Ilori wasn't there and took it.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #221 on: August 7, 2015, 08:22:36 am »
I hope he is up to the task as I suspect Stoke will target him rather than the more experienced Clyne.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #222 on: August 7, 2015, 08:39:59 am »
It's exhausting to read. Would love Lovren to be our player of the season just to show all the keyboard warriors how much they really know :)

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #223 on: August 7, 2015, 08:53:22 am »
It's exhausting to read. Would love Lovren to be our player of the season just to show all the keyboard warriors how much they really know :)

Lovren being player of the season will probably mean our season has been a disaster. Skrtel was our player of the season (imho a very overrated defender) and we finished 8th.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #224 on: August 9, 2015, 06:38:43 pm »
I thought he was excellent today. Surely better defensively than Moreno. Have big hopes for Gomez

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #225 on: August 9, 2015, 06:40:19 pm »
18 year old with what was it less than 20 first team appearances behind him, first game away to one of the toughest grounds to go to and held his own. Have high hopes for him

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #226 on: August 9, 2015, 06:40:29 pm »
Did a very good job handling Walters. A tough player to play against.


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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #227 on: August 9, 2015, 06:41:09 pm »
Was given a good education today. Did well overall.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #228 on: August 9, 2015, 06:41:30 pm »
Boss player. I'd fancy him at centre half if he carries on like this.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #229 on: August 9, 2015, 06:43:14 pm »
18 years old. Debut. Away at a place we lost to 6-1.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #230 on: August 9, 2015, 06:43:32 pm »
An "unknown" from "nowhere", making a start for Liverpool, in the League, on the first day of the season, away to an annoying ground.

Hopefully he turns out to be one of the bargains of the season.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #231 on: August 9, 2015, 06:46:15 pm »
Played 16 games for Charlton last season , and has now made his PL debut at one of the toughest and Neandertalithic grounds in the country ,they put their most experienced,physical and yet-limited footballers up against him....he plays the full 90 in a 1-0 win ....yet people complain 😳 one hell of a talent , he is going to be some footballer when he has a good game 😉

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #232 on: August 9, 2015, 06:56:13 pm »
Couple of shaky moments, but an impressive debut. It was a good day to be a defender, with pretty lousy passing from both teams, but he did well.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #233 on: August 9, 2015, 06:57:05 pm »
He's not a full back and has mistakes in him, but considering his age lack of experience that was really good debut.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #234 on: August 9, 2015, 06:57:44 pm »
Brilliant performance today playing out of position, I believe this was his 1st competitive game in this position as charlton played him cb and on occasions rb therefore he should get a lot of credit. Stoke is one of the toughest places to go as a defender and he looked at ease.  Long term I see him as our CB which is his natural position. I also think this will give Moreno a kick as he wasn't good enough last season and needs some pressure in that position which he didn't get last season.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #235 on: August 9, 2015, 07:03:40 pm »
Did well today, looks very composed and confident on the ball

You could see after a while they were targeting his side, smashing long diagonals in his direction constantly but he held his own and gave a good showing today


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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #236 on: August 9, 2015, 07:07:16 pm »
Coped pretty well with Stoke's shithouse tactics.
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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #237 on: August 9, 2015, 07:08:26 pm »
did well considering they tried to expose him as the weak link. made a few mistakes that could have led to goals but what a talent this kid is. assist on his debut too :D

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #238 on: August 9, 2015, 07:10:12 pm »
Was very impressed with him. Looks strong and brave, though he definitely looks like a CB or FB playing on the wrong side. We quite obviously did most of our attacking down the right. In the end though he got the assist. A good start.

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Re: Joseph Dave Gomez - Liverpools number 12
« Reply #239 on: August 9, 2015, 07:11:33 pm »
Think Lovren likes to have a solid guy like Joe Gomez on his left. Looked solid