Topic: Jordan Henderson

[rusty-la]

he's at it in every thread, not sure is he's serious or just a major wind up merchant.

Hmmm. Looks like a 'Merchant' to me.

[Pistolero]

he's at it in every thread, not sure is he's serious or just a major wind up merchant.

the second one.....the briefest glance at his post history will instantly confirm it.....just ignore him and he'll drift away like they all do

[Suspect Package.]

You know, I typed out a long considered reply to Mr "we should never have patience with a young player".

With regards that we should consider that Jordan Henderson is still in his first season and to write him off early in his career would be a mistake. I touched upon the continuing need for player development, how currently he is far from the finished article and the sad lack of suitable cover to drop him from the team.

The I hit preview and the replies in the meantime made me aware of something that should have been obvious to me.

I deleted my post and instead I'm now ignoring him.

Thanks guys.

[gazzathered]

One of the criticisms directed at Lucas was that he didn't have bollocks. And he wasn't really that poor either. He proved you wrong because you couldn't see his ability and potential, just like you can't see Henderson's ability and potential. Tackling is a must for a midfielder? Since when could Paul Scholes tackle? Lucas has to tackle because he's a holding midfielder, Henderson's role is different.

Stop acting like he's some prima donna footballer who cares more about his hair than the team when he runs his bollocks off every game.

"Lol, that's all they keep saying"

Yeah and we'll all be there to ram it down your throats when you're claiming you were wrong about Henderson.






You'd think people would learn and be less smug after being so wrong about Lucas, Rafa, Maxi, etc (not specifically directed at you gazzathered) but no.

Scholes can't tackle no, but he makes an effort.
Shouldn't compare the two because if Henderson is anywhere near as good as Scholes we've got a bargain.
Scholes can pass it, pass it, run the midfield, score from outside the box, arrive in the box at the right time.
Henderson can't. I hate praising a manc but he's been a bloody good player.
I really hope Henderson proves me wrong, players like him, downing and Carroll haven't lived up to there potential, they've been passengers in games.
I say, he hasn't done in this season, he needs dropping to the reserves/ bench and work with him in the summer, other players deserve a chance to see if they can do it.

[Brentieke]

Henderson was bought as an attacking midfielder and not a defensive midfielder. Attacking midfielders require more than the ability to pass it short and keep it moving. They need a bit of flair and creativity. And to be honest, Henderson, as yet, hasn't passed the ball very well at all.
He needs a rest. He's not ready yet. Don't know if he ever will be but he's certainly not ready yet.

Exactly my point mate.

its why the Lucas comparisons areabsolute nonsense for me.

[Mutton Geoff]

the second one.....the briefest glance at his post history will instantly confirm it.....just ignore him and he'll drift away like they all do

I just wasted about half an hour with him so is it another on ignore or do we humour this one!

[Mutton Geoff]

As for Henderson he will be good for us but people need to use some patience here, he looks better in the middle  than out wide, but I think he needs resting for a couple of games now.

[Pistolero]

just ignore geoff...life's too short

[wheresnemeth]

I didn't understand bringing Carol on for Henderson because I though that it would weaken our midfield. Our two best opportunities came after the substitution though, the goal and the disallowed goal however the superiority that we had in the midfield was lost.
What frustrated me the most was at some point in the second half we had about four players just outside Wigans penalty area all in a straight line with nobody providing support for the player in possession it was amateur hour on our part. The Henderson substitution is what got us into the game and also what ultimately cost us the game.

[bornandbRED]

Really not sure what this lad contributes to be honest, or what type of player he is. Definitely not a winger at least.

[checkolad]

I think he can be a Lampard like player but physically better, arriving in the box late and scoring, but then again we'd have to play him in the middle...

[And Could He Play]

just ignore geoff...life's too short

think im just going to give them all a miss and return when we win something again.

[cowtownred]

think im just going to give them all a miss and return when we win something again.

Sod that....when we get 4th place is where it's at.

[And Could He Play]

Sod that....when we get 4th place is where it's at.

im going to get a trophy made up for it.

[.Mike]

Not a stupid answer but someone tells me what he does?

Does he make fantastic interceptions by his game intelligence? Does he dictate the tempo of the game? Does he run down the line and put good crosses in? Is he heavily linked in the build up play? Does he score goals? Does he do anything when he gets the ball? Does he track back to help out a young 19 year old full back? Does he have pace? What is this engine thing about if he doesnt do anything?

Seriously, what does he do?

[lfcmaster]

As for Henderson he will be good for us but people need to use some patience here, he looks better in the middle  than out wide, but I think he needs resting for a couple of games now.

henderson was rested against stoke in the fa cup game and only played 45 mins against qpr and wigan

so he probably doesnt need a rest

[redprodigal]

Firstly Henderson was brought as a winger. Get your facts correct.

What a crazy thing to say.

[lfcmaster]

Firstly Henderson was brought as a winger. Get your facts correct.

dont think henderson is or was a winger

our scouts need to work hard for the rest of the season to make sure we do get someone for the right wing for next season

[penga]

Not a stupid answer but someone tells me what he does?

Does he make fantastic interceptions by his game intelligence? Does he dictate the tempo of the game? Does he run down the line and put good crosses in? Is he heavily linked in the build up play? Does he score goals? Does he do anything when he gets the ball? Does he track back to help out a young 19 year old full back? Does he have pace? What is this engine thing about if he doesnt do anything?

Seriously, what does he do?

No, No, No, Sometimes, Not really, Occasionally, Yes, Not too bad, Works hard to pressure and does make tackles just not crunching ones.

[CarlitoB]

I just wasted about half an hour with him so is it another on ignore or do we humour this one!

In some perverse way you actually seem to be enjoying our poor form, you're practically giddy at the opportunity to attack everyone you deem to be overly critical of any facet of our club.

Your post count has rocketed of late, you're everywhere.  Flinging out insults, badly thought out arguments and toadying up to the "auld arse" crowd.  Which is amusing, seeing as your "debating" style resembles that of a child.

"Hates Trolls and Wums and Idiots", if that's a fact then your self-loathing must be intolerable.

[Carlito Roberto]

I think there's a good player in there somewhere. I'm not sure what his best postion is though, can't see him as a dynamic attacking midfielder who's going to chip in with 10-15 goals a season so maybe a holding midfielder would be his best position.

His confidence is obviously shot to pieces and maybe a spell out the side will do him good.

[redmark]

What a crazy thing to say.

I don't think he was bought as a 'winger', but I do think he was bought to play a narrow right midfield position (think Ray Houghton). We'll have to wait and see where he plays for the next couple of years to really know what Dalglish intends with him.

[El_Pistolero]

I think there's a good player in there somewhere. I'm not sure what his best postion is though, can't see him as a dynamic attacking midfielder who's going to chip in with 10-15 goals a season so maybe a holding midfielder would be his best position.

His confidence is obviously shot to pieces and maybe a spell out the side will do him good.

Won't score 15-goals a season from midfield, must be a holding midfielder.

Makes sense.

[jaffod]

I think he can be a Lampard like player but physically better, arriving in the box late and scoring, but then again we'd have to play him in the middle...

Based on what exactly?

[redprodigal]

just ignore geoff...life's too short

Why ignore Geoff, Geoff's alright.

[Carlito Roberto]

Won't score 15-goals a season from midfield, must be a holding midfielder.

Makes sense.

The point is I don't see enough in his game to suggest he's going to be a quality attacking midfielder.

His game seems more suited to playing as a disciplined central midfielder.

[HiroProtagonist]

Every time I see this guy on the wing, it makes me want to pull my hair out. He is so ineffective it's unreal. The few times I've seen him in CM, he's ok.

[Coolie High]

In some perverse way you actually seem to be enjoying our poor form, you're practically giddy at the opportunity to attack everyone you deem to be overly critical of any facet of our club.

Your post count has rocketed of late, you're everywhere.  Flinging out insults, badly thought out arguments and toadying up to the "auld arse" crowd.  Which is amusing, seeing as your "debating" style resembles that of a child.

"Hates Trolls and Wums and Idiots", if that's a fact then your self-loathing must be intolerable.

Yep

[Something Awful]

Is shitting on Jordan Henderson Fordy's new "Charlie Adam is a great player" gimmick?

[Samee]

People honestly thought Henderson was bought to be an immediate first teamer who would impose himself on the side and make an immediate impact? The same impact as say had we signed someone like Schweinsteiger?

Please.

[Melbred]

People honestly thought Henderson was bought to be an immediate first teamer who would impose himself on the side and make an immediate impact? The same impact as say had we signed someone like Schweinsteiger?

Please.

We essentially replaced Meireles with Henderson in the squad, so yes. He was brought in as a first-teamer, and the amount of games he has played would suggest that. And don't give me the "injuries forced him to play" line. He's been played on the right for the majority of games, for what purpose, I'm not sure. But either way, he's been played there when we have better options. Did i expect him to impose himself and make an impact? No, but that's because I don't really think he's good enough.

Comparing him with Schweinsteiger is laughable.

Important to mention that none of this is actually his fault, much like Carroll, and that it was management who screwed up here. The lads are trying their best, but to no avail.

[trembles97]

People honestly thought Henderson was bought to be an immediate first teamer who would impose himself on the side and make an immediate impact? The same impact as say had we signed someone like Schweinsteiger?

Please.

I'm not disagreeing with you, but do you think the reason he has played so much this season is due to injuries to other players? Or because he was in on merit, to have an effect on the first team?

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

People honestly thought Henderson was bought to be an immediate first teamer who would impose himself on the side and make an immediate impact? The same impact as say had we signed someone like Schweinsteiger?

Please.

Henderson should be having Shelvey's role (ie 4th choice midfielder) who in turn should be out on loan to a promotion contenders Championship team. The problem is and I don't like mentioning this, is that we sold the two players in Raul & Aquilani, who would have likely kept Henderson's role minimal and let him develop without much spotlight, and now Jordan has found himself starting many games when he shouldn't, in a position he isn't used to. Adam shouldn't have been bought but that's another argument in another thread.

It isn't his fault, although I'm afraid his mentality needs to change a little bit if he is to be a Liverpool player in the future.

[redmark]

Henderson should be having Shelvey's role (ie 4th choice midfielder) who in turn should be out on loan to a promotion contenders Championship team. The problem is and I don't like mentioning this, is that we sold the two players in Raul & Aquilani, who would have likely kept Henderson's role minimal and let him develop without much spotlight, and now Jordan has found himself starting many games when he shouldn't, in a position he isn't used to. Adam shouldn't have been bought but that's another argument in another thread.

It isn't his fault, although I'm afraid his mentality needs to change a little bit if he is to be a Liverpool player in the future.

That makes no sense with what has actually happened, unless you think Dalglish is a complete idiot. Henderson replaces two central midfielders he'd have been better learning from, but then - what, by accident? - actually gets played in a completely different position.

The logical conclusion - assuming Dalglish is not a complete idiot - is that Henderson has played predominantly on the right because that's what Dalglish bought him for. Whether that's where Dalglish sees him in the long term or a learning curve before he moves inside in the future (possibly replacing Gerrard) only time will tell.

But he's not playing there by accident. We do have other options on the right, such as Kuyt or Maxi. Henderson effectively has replaced Kuyt (as a regular starter), not Meireles or Aquilani.

[Something Awful]

Isn't it said that playing out wide helps central players develop, like how everyone thinks Kelly will end up in the middle in time?

[please, I have my reasons for it but...]

That makes no sense with what has actually happened, unless you think Dalglish is a complete idiot. Henderson replaces two central midfielders he'd have been better learning from, but then - what, by accident? - actually gets played in a completely different position.

The logical conclusion - assuming Dalglish is not a complete idiot - is that Henderson has played predominantly on the right because that's what Dalglish bought him for. Whether that's where Dalglish sees him in the long term or a learning curve before he moves inside in the future (possibly replacing Gerrard) only time will tell.

But he's not playing there by accident. We do have other options on the right, such as Kuyt or Maxi. Henderson effectively has replaced Kuyt (as a regular starter), not Meireles or Aquilani.

Meireles was deployed on the right quite a few times under Kenny, at the end of last season, we played like this

             Lucas   Spearing

Meireles                              Maxi
             Suarez   Kuyt

Kenny always loved to play 4-4-2 at Blackburn and Newcastle with a proper winger on one side and a wide midfielder tucked in on the other side, that's why we have seen Henderson playing there for so much this season and why Raul was used in this same exact position last season. Aquilani played some games this season with Milan as a wide man in 4-3-3, he is a versatile player so presumably he could have been used to fill in Kenny's criteria in that role as well.

Not to mention that if Kenny wanted to play Henderson in the middle, he for sure would have been helped to have Lucas by him side, but the movement of Suarez, Aquilani & Raul could have helped him find more spaces than he finds right now and become more settled to the team.

I'm afraid, we really bought Henderson and we weren't so sure of his best position, again, this could have been helped if Raul & Aquilani were here and Henderson was used in games after matches were won, he could have adapted better to the role Kenny wanted to play him while not being the focal point and having so many people watching his every move which added extra pressure on the lad, because the way I see it is that, playing him week in, week out this season has killed his confidence which is evident right now in his game.

[redmark]

Meireles was deployed on the right quite a few times under Kenny, at the end of last season, we played like this

             Lucas   Spearing

Meireles                              Maxi
             Suarez   Kuyt

Kenny always loved to play 4-4-2 at Blackburn and Newcastle with a proper winger on one side and a wide midfielder tucked in on the other side, that's why we have seen Henderson playing there for so much this season and why Raul was used in this same exact position last season. Aquilani played some games this season with Milan as a wide man in 4-3-3, he is a versatile player so presumably he could have been used to fill in Kenny's criteria in that role as well.

Not to mention that if Kenny wanted to play Henderson in the middle, he for sure would have been helped to have Lucas by him side, but the movement of Suarez, Aquilani & Raul could have helped him find more spaces than he finds right now and become more settled to the team.

I'm afraid, we really bought Henderson and we weren't so sure of his best position, again, this could have been helped if Raul & Aquilani were here and Henderson was used in games after matches were won, he could have adapted better to the role Kenny wanted to play him while not being the focal point and having so many people watching his every move which added extra pressure on the lad, because the way I see it is that, playing him week in, week out this season has killed his confidence which is evident right now in his game.

I've been posting about Dalglish's preference for a tucked-in wide player since he was appointed and before we bought Henderson. I don't, therefore, see the point in people talking about him being played in the wrong position. Dalglish is playing him where he wants to.

And I don't think being overplayed has shattered his confidence. I think a couple of thousand people loudly and angrily moaning in unison every time he does something that isn't perfect is destroying his confidence.

[MolbyLovesGravlax]

I don't think he was bought as a 'winger', but I do think he was bought to play a narrow right midfield position (think Ray Houghton). We'll have to wait and see where he plays for the next couple of years to really know what Dalglish intends with him.

Yeah I think the intent was for him to be the more tucked in wide player ala Houghton. It just hasn't worked out very well so far. Thing is Kenny tries playing the way he wants - 4-4-2, with one out and out winger and one tucked in wide midfielder - and it doesn't really work, then he will swap to something a little different for a couple of games, it doesn't really work, then he goes back to plan A and it kinda works and then doesn't again and we are in a loop.
Either it has to start working or we need to find something that does.
Henderson is a good player, I don't care what anyone says, but he is close to useless right now if the team isn't playing well. If we were zinging along I think he would have the confidence to show what he can do, but right now he is so worried to not make a mistake that draws the spotlight on him, he is overly cautious and unwilling to really have a go.

[smurfinaus]

I've been posting about Dalglish's preference for a tucked-in wide player since he was appointed and before we bought Henderson. I don't, therefore, see the point in people talking about him being played in the wrong position. Dalglish is playing him where he wants to.

And I don't think being overplayed has shattered his confidence. I think a couple of thousand people loudly and angrily moaning in unison every time he does something that isn't perfect is destroying his confidence.

Yes but being played when your not in form but for the sake of it seems to be an issue in some minds :/. I like him as a player, but if he isnt being effective in the role, nor making much of an impact of on the way the team is playing, then bench him ( and Downing and Adam especially). Atm imho we don't have enough competition in the squad and KD seems to be blinkered when playing the players he had a hand in bring in.

[BigMarcs]

I actually rate Henderson and in a couple years time I reckon people will be saying this season was very important for him getting so much game time.