Topic: What Car Do You Own/Drive?

[killer-heels]

I thought the cybertruck was a total mess when first unveiled, but the latest near-production models are even worse:



Man, that's a fugly beast.

Wow, that is awful. I can just about stomach the Tesla's on the road at the moment, I guess they look like Japanese style family saloons. But that is ugly, so much so that current 4X4's will start to look pretty next to them.

[rob1966]

Missus bought me a Supercar drive, did it at Elvington today

Ferrari F430



I wish they'd done the cars in the reverse order, because I never thought I'd be disappointed with a Ferrari, but after driving the LP570 Superlegerra first, the Ferrari was dead slow 

LP570S Superlegerra

[Son of Spion]

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Wow! I bet you enjoyed that. 

How fast did you manage to go in them?

[rob1966]

^
Wow! I bet you enjoyed that. 

How fast did you manage to go in them?

It was ace, the Lambo made a wonderful noise.

Instructor said I hit 130 in the Lambo, the Ferrari I got up to just over 100. I had a hot lap in the Lambo with the instructor, now he did make the thing fly

The Ferrari instructor asked me to change up at 4500 - 5000 rpm, but once he'd seen me driving he told me to push it harder, the Lambo one had me pushing it hard from the off.

[Son of Spion]

It was ace, the Lambo made a wonderful noise.

Instructor said I hit 130 in the Lambo, the Ferrari I got up to just over 100. I had a hot lap in the Lambo with the instructor, now he did make the thing fly

The Ferrari instructor asked me to change up at 4500 - 5000 rpm, but once he'd seen me driving he told me to push it harder, the Lambo one had me pushing it hard from the off.

Good stuff. 

I bet your own car felt like a snail on the drive home, though.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. 

[rob1966]

Good stuff. 

I bet your own car felt like a snail on the drive home, though.

I'm glad you enjoyed it. 

Yeah it did mate, although everything feels like a snail compared to my bike.

[AndyInVA]

For fun priced old style Land Rovers tonight. A 4 wheel drive SWB 2 door made in 1964 costs $69k. A brand new cool looking 2023 model is $64k.

Insane valuable they have become as classic cars.

[rob1966]

The classic car scene is nuts, no way is a series 2 worth that.

Fast Fords are stupid in the UK, the performance Escorts, Mk1 Mexico and RS2000 will set you back more than a Focus RS. I know they pay for the rarity, but ffs my wife's 2006 Astra is quicker and a better drive and the Focus RS I drove pisses all over any Fast Ford bar the Cosworths.

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Faster Please, everything at the moment seems to be £40,000 +

edited to add another £10,000 :/

[Drinks Sangria]

Rob that looks class - would like a track day myself.

If Volvo do produce a £12,000 electric car that has reasonable range it will sell like mad. I'll probably buy one.

[rob1966]

Rob that looks class - would like a track day myself.

If Volvo do produce a £12,000 electric car that has reasonable range it will sell like mad. I'll probably buy one.

It was a right laugh, the Lamborghini was so quick.

£12k is brilliant for a an EV, but do they have to be so fucking ugly?

[Drinks Sangria]

It was a right laugh, the Lamborghini was so quick.

£12k is brilliant for a an EV, but do they have to be so fucking ugly?

Pretty much every EV does seem to be shite to look at. The better ones are the ones more akin to or even largely unrecognisable from a normal car. There’s not really any reason they can’t substantially look that way that I know of.

Fiat and Citroen are both bringing out super small EVs that are £6k but only have a range of 50 miles. I wonder if they’ll do well in London? They’re ridiculously small, but bigger and probably safer/sturdier than the likes of the Renault Twizy.

I can’t access the video about the Volvo EV above but is it going to have a decent 250 mile + range or be more in the golf-cart class that the two I’ve mentioned above will likely be?

[rob1966]

Pretty much every EV does seem to be shite to look at. The better ones are the ones more akin to or even largely unrecognisable from a normal car. There’s not really any reason they can’t substantially look that way that I know of.

Fiat and Citroen are both bringing out super small EVs that are £6k but only have a range of 50 miles. I wonder if they’ll do well in London? They’re ridiculously small, but bigger and probably safer/sturdier than the likes of the Renault Twizy.

I can’t access the video about the Volvo EV above but is it going to have a decent 250 mile + range or be more in the golf-cart class that the two I’ve mentioned above will likely be?

It's only a small car, looks to me in the Vauxhall Adam, VW Lupo size, he says its tall but short. Based model 190 mile range, 250 ish for the posh one,. Going to have a cool feature in the future , swappable batteries so you drive into a battery swap station, 1 to 3 minutes to remove your battery and replace with a fully charged battery, all the rage in China apparently and he says LFP battery which is the better choice.

Most people don't need the size of car they drive, I've a neighbour who has a Tucson and it's huge and unnecessary, so for millions this type of EV is enough.

Still not sold on their green credentials though when they are powered by fossil fuels and seeing the damage done to the earth to mine the lithium and the amount of water used in mining.

[.adam]

Pretty much every EV does seem to be shite to look at.

Spoke to someone a while back who said that car designers design EVs to look 'different' to normal cars as market research has shown that is what the customers want.

[killer-heels]

Spoke to someone a while back who said that car designers design EVs to look 'different' to normal cars as market research has shown that is what the customers want.

Really? I much prefer 'traditional' looking cars with EV engines.

[rob1966]

Spoke to someone a while back who said that car designers design EVs to look 'different' to normal cars as market research has shown that is what the customers want.

Who, the self righteous fuckwits who think they are Green? "Oh look at me, I drive an EV. Yes I know its ugly as fuck but I want to show that I care more about the planet than you" types?

One of the reasons I wouldn't buy an EV is because the look ugly as fuck and will handle like a house. Stick a battery in a proper Mustang and I'd have it, offer me a Mustang E and I'll say no thanks, that's one ugly pile of shite.

[.adam]

Who, the self righteous fuckwits who think they are Green? "Oh look at me, I drive an EV. Yes I know its ugly as fuck but I want to show that I care more about the planet than you" types?

One of the reasons I wouldn't buy an EV is because the look ugly as fuck and will handle like a house. Stick a battery in a proper Mustang and I'd have it, offer me a Mustang E and I'll say no thanks, that's one ugly pile of shite.

Maybe. I drive a Tesla and that's me all over

At the end of the day, is it much different to 'sporty' styling for people who want a fast car? Be easy enough to design an AMG Merc to look similar to the standard range but people want it to look different.

Also, have you test driven an EV? As the batteries are low to the ground, they have a very low centre of gravity and handle a lot better than you'd think.

[killer-heels]

The fake grills on a EV look hideous. BMW’s looks like a giant sticker.

[Drinks Sangria]

Yeah that EV Mustang looks dog shit. Why call it a Mustang then not style it like one?

I've driven an i3 as a pool car at work. It's a touch cramped but actually drives and handles pretty nicely and is very quick off the mark. Looks like a fucking sugar cube on wheels though.

[rob1966]

Maybe. I drive a Tesla and that's me all over

At the end of the day, is it much different to 'sporty' styling for people who want a fast car? Be easy enough to design an AMG Merc to look similar to the standard range but people want it to look different.

Also, have you test driven an EV? As the batteries are low to the ground, they have a very low centre of gravity and handle a lot better than you'd think.

The likes of the Tesla saloons look like a proper car, but these crossover things are still high off the ground, so once you start adding passengers, surely the CG is still pretty high up?

I've not yet seen an SUV of any type that I would look at and go "that looks nice". The styling to me is just repulsive.

[Graeme]

I've not yet seen an SUV of any type that I would look at and go "that looks nice". The styling to me is just repulsive.

Love mine

[rob1966]

Yeah that EV Mustang looks dog shit. Why call it a Mustang then not style it like one?

I've driven an i3 as a pool car at work. It's a touch cramped but actually drives and handles pretty nicely and is very quick off the mark. Looks like a fucking sugar cube on wheels though.

[rob1966]

Love mine

 

[red_lfc_costello]

Love mine

I love my iX3 !

[Drinks Sangria]

I love my iX3 !

Actually looks like a normal car though doesn't it?

I think all Tesla's look like shite. Staring out my home office window now at my neighbour's across the road. Parked behind it is his BMW M2 Competition. Work that one out.

[rob1966]

Actually looks like a normal car though doesn't it?

I think all Tesla's look like shite. Staring out my home office window now at my neighbour's across the road. Parked behind it is his BMW M2 Competition. Work that one out.

My missus thought the Tesla was a Mondeo

She has no interest in cars and says Teslas look plain and shite.

[.adam]

Actually looks like a normal car though doesn't it?

I think all Tesla's look like shite. Staring out my home office window now at my neighbour's across the road. Parked behind it is his BMW M2 Competition. Work that one out.

If he had a low consumption run-around and a performance car, would you say the same thing?

I don't get why there has to be this tribalism about EVs, even if one is owned alongside a conventional ICE car. Different strokes for different folks.

[Graeme]

What's not to like!?!?!?

[JC the Messiah]

Maybe. I drive a Tesla and that's me all over

At the end of the day, is it much different to 'sporty' styling for people who want a fast car? Be easy enough to design an AMG Merc to look similar to the standard range but people want it to look different.

Also, have you test driven an EV? As the batteries are low to the ground, they have a very low centre of gravity and handle a lot better than you'd think.

The only EV I've driven that handles like a proper driving car is the Taycan. Which is fine if you're not interested in a car that handles well on the twisties. There's no way a car weighing around 2-tonnes can handle like a lightweight ICE car weighing less than 1500 kilos. That's just physics.

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One of the reasons I wouldn't buy an EV is because the look ugly as fuck and will handle like a house. Stick a battery in a proper Mustang and I'd have it, offer me a Mustang E and I'll say no thanks, that's one ugly pile of shite.

I mean thats not reallllllly true is it

[CraigDS]

The Audi e-tron Black Edition 55 Quattro is a pretty good looking EV and SUV combined. Been fairly tempted to get one the last few weeks.

[Drinks Sangria]

If he had a low consumption run-around and a performance car, would you say the same thing?

I don't get why there has to be this tribalism about EVs, even if one is owned alongside a conventional ICE car. Different strokes for different folks.

That's fair comment given what I said was context free. This neighbour is always down the pub simultaneously bragging about the power of his M2 but also how environmentally conscious he is in driving a Tesla every day.

I'm not sure those two statements can co-exist. But in the wider world, as long as there's an offset, it's probably better than having two+ conventional cars on the driveway - if they can refine and reduce emissions from the battery manufacturing process.

[rob1966]

If he had a low consumption run-around and a performance car, would you say the same thing?

I don't get why there has to be this tribalism about EVs, even if one is owned alongside a conventional ICE car. Different strokes for different folks.

It's the holier than thou attitude I've come across and the bragging about how little the car costs to charge that winds me up. Yeah, you can charge it for £4.50 but it costs £50k more than my car to buy    When I was driving the Lamborghini the other week, got chatting to a Tesla driver and he was going on about how little it cost to charge, but I paid £6k for my car, I'll never be in a situation where an EV makes economic sense.

I'm fully onboard with the need to get away from Oil, but some the EV mob leave themselves open to ridicule with the way they act all high and mighty. I don't believe what I read anymore, but is it true they had charging stations at Glastonbury running off Diesel generators?

The only EV I've driven that handles like a proper driving car is the Taycan. Which is fine if you're not interested in a car that handles well on the twisties. There's no way a car weighing around 2-tonnes can handle like a lightweight ICE car weighing less than 1500 kilos. That's just physics.

I knew someone who had a Taycan, he threw it back at Porsche due to all the issues.

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It's the holier than thou attitude I've come across and the bragging about how little the car costs to charge that winds me up. Yeah, you can charge it for £4.50 but it costs £50k more than my car to buy    When I was driving the Lamborghini the other week, got chatting to a Tesla driver and he was going on about how little it cost to charge, but I paid £6k for my car, I'll never be in a situation where an EV makes economic sense.

Is the second hand EV market old enough yet? I mean you can get an old Nissan Leaf for £7k

[rob1966]

Is the second hand EV market old enough yet? I mean you can get an old Nissan Leaf for £7k

The Tesla owner I spoke to said his Ma's Leaf did 50/60 miles on a charge - my car sits on the drive all week but when I use it, I couldn't get to work and back on that of a Saturday, couldn't get to my Stepdads, couldn't even get to the Caravan when we go away, so that is just not viable for me.

[Drinks Sangria]

Are the life spans of batteries good enough for there to ever be much of a used EV Market?

[rob1966]

Are the life spans of batteries good enough for there to ever be much of a used EV Market?

10 to 20 years, warranties are about 8 years according to the RAC, so if on the low end of the scale then no. My car is 13 years old, wifes is 16 years old, both got years left in them. No way would I buy a car with potentially 3 years left of battery life, or in the case of a 2011 LEAF, it could be months. To use that £7k LEAF as an example, if it needs a new battery, it is £12,500 for the smaller battery and £15,000 for the big one. I can get an recon engine for my car for £1500 fitted.

[[new username under construction]]

Are the life spans of batteries good enough for there to ever be much of a used EV Market?

I suppose it depends on what happens with EV's, China already just swaps out battery packs of cars for new ones, so the cars themselves will be in amazing condition 15-20 years down the line and new battery pack, blam, job done

[Nobby Reserve]

The likes of the Tesla saloons look like a proper car, but these crossover things are still high off the ground, so once you start adding passengers, surely the CG is still pretty high up?

I've not yet seen an SUV of any type that I would look at and go "that looks nice". The styling to me is just repulsive.

The batteries - therefore the weight - are spread out across the floorpan. The specificlly EV cars introduced in the past couple of years have been designed around the weight of the batteries, so do handle a lot better than both older design EVs and cars designed as ICE's but altered by the manufacturer to be EVs.

In terms of driving, I found the Tesla fine, but a bit twitchy. The Polestar to feel artificial and 'dead'. The EV6 to be a lot like my E-Class (which I'll admit isn't a 10/10 handling car, more an 8/10, but then that's not what it's designed for)

Here's the EV6. It's wider than an E-Class and almost as long (wheelbase is pretty much the same, but as a hatch/SUV, it obviously lacks a long boot)

[Nobby Reserve]

I suppose it depends on what happens with EV's, China already just swaps out battery packs of cars for new ones, so the cars themselves will be in amazing condition 15-20 years down the line and new battery pack, blam, job done

I think what we'll see is that you buy just the car (without batteries) then lease the battery (well, the provision of *a* battery) on a monthly basis, paying for each replacement.

It makes sense.

The trouble is, a lot of money has been invested into the charging network, which would be rendered increasingly obsolete if a [much better, more efficient] battery-replacement system became dominant.