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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32640 on: June 25, 2022, 03:32:22 pm »
I'm baffled why people are twisting themselves into knots to ignore this basic premise of how a wage structure works in all business.

Football works slightly different from most other industries!!!

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« Reply #32641 on: June 25, 2022, 03:34:47 pm »
Football works slightly different from most other industries!!!
to a degree. but not that much different when it comes to basic wages.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32642 on: June 25, 2022, 03:40:04 pm »
So @nffc busy in the transfer market with Awoniyi confirmed. Deal for goalie Henderson done too but he’s not back till July 1st so will be announced then. Also the club doing everything they can to sign Liverpool defender Neco Williams.

https://twitter.com/NatJacksonsport/status/1540627521691160576

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32643 on: June 25, 2022, 03:58:36 pm »
to a degree. but not that much different when it comes to basic wages.
Or human nature, or agents' constant bias toward maximizing player compensation.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32644 on: June 25, 2022, 04:36:32 pm »
And who are you selling to pay the increased wages that Alisson, VVD and TAA now want?

I really don't think it works like that as much as people think it does. But guess what, we're going to have to pay them more on their next contract if we want to keep them, maybe VVD excluded given his age. Letting Mane and Salah go doesn't stop that process from happening.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32645 on: June 25, 2022, 04:48:12 pm »
Posting this here aswell:

Sadio Mane’s PR Manager Bacary Cissé on a reported 100k salary at LFC:

"Those are false rumours. We didn't want to talk about that. A player of Sadio's calibre can't be earning the salary that people are speaking about. The numbers circulating are completely wrong." [@TV5MONDE]

Cissé:

"Sadio was already earning more than that when he joined Liverpool from Southampton. He extended his contract in 2018 and his salary was much higher than the numbers circulating in the media.”

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32646 on: June 25, 2022, 04:51:10 pm »
Posting this here aswell:

In other words, no-one knows anything about salaries but people will still treat something 'wot I saw online' as gospel
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32647 on: June 25, 2022, 04:51:34 pm »
Posting this here aswell:

That is suggesting the media reporting bullshit. That can't be true ...

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32648 on: June 25, 2022, 05:01:41 pm »
I like the way the club is going about it’s business. We pay well, very well in fact, but it is also within a structure, within our means. It is sustainable and is a key factor in our success.

Bobby Firmino strikes me as a player who will go in to his mid 30s without too much of a decline. He has had some form and fitness issues, but the underlying attributes are all still there, and his game has never been about out and out pace. I actually think Firmino can have a big influence on Carvalho in the next couple of years, as hopefully the young lad rises up.

Mane and Origi left, and Diaz and Nunez arrived. New heroes will emerge. It’s always the case. I’m happy with those changes.

Mo still up in the air, but likely to leave on a Bosman to maximize his earning potential. At that point another new hero will emerge.

We can’t extend ourselves to the point of breaking something important, to keep aging players. We offer a lot. Sign or don’t sign. We will be quite fine. If and when Mo goes too, life will go on and Liverpool will still be fighting for everything at the very top.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32649 on: June 25, 2022, 05:35:43 pm »
I like the way the club is going about it’s business. We pay well, very well in fact, but it is also within a structure, within our means. It is sustainable and is a key factor in our success.

Bobby Firmino strikes me as a player who will go in to his mid 30s without too much of a decline. He has had some form and fitness issues, but the underlying attributes are all still there, and his game has never been about out and out pace. I actually think Firmino can have a big influence on Carvalho in the next couple of years, as hopefully the young lad rises up.

Mane and Origi left, and Diaz and Nunez arrived. New heroes will emerge. It’s always the case. I’m happy with those changes.

Mo still up in the air, but likely to leave on a Bosman to maximize his earning potential. At that point another new hero will emerge.

We can’t extend ourselves to the point of breaking something important, to keep aging players. We offer a lot. Sign or don’t sign. We will be quite fine. If and when Mo goes too, life will go on and Liverpool will still be fighting for everything at the very top.

If Mo left now he'd still earn silly numbers. I'm ok with how things are but I am a little worried about our midfield.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32650 on: June 25, 2022, 05:52:44 pm »
I just don't know what people have been watching these last few years - he might not rely on pace but he's increasingly injury prone, less explosive than he once was and less productive overall. I'm not sure any of those three counts can be labelled at Mane or Salah, bar perhaps the middle one for Mane to an extent.

Bobby Firmino strikes me as a player who will go in to his mid 30s without too much of a decline. He has had some form and fitness issues, but the underlying attributes are all still there, and his game has never been about out and out pace. I actually think Firmino can have a big influence on Carvalho in the next couple of years, as hopefully the young lad rises up.

Is Firmino particularly injury prone? Last season he was in and out a few times but before that, I don't remember him being particularly so. Transfermarkt doesn't show him to be injury prone prior to last season either. Now, he may continue getting injuries this season and in the future but I don't think one season is a particularly strong pattern.

So getting rid of him (not you G Richards) because he's injury prone doesn't tally.
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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32651 on: June 25, 2022, 06:02:46 pm »
If Mo left now he'd still earn silly numbers. I'm ok with how things are but I am a little worried about our midfield.

The midfield would be the top priority for me now, too.

We have the numbers, but there is a question mark over durability, as a few get older. The biggest vulnerability is if both Henderson and Fabinho get injured at the same time, as we could get overrun in the engine room.

I can understand the thinking that if the one we want isn’t available now, then we keep our powder dry in the meantime.

It’s far from a desperate situation in midfield and we will probably still be fine for the season ahead, and not adding another midfielder right now might also see Jones and Elliot get more minutes, which in turn could help them stake a good claim to be mainstays into the future.

Still, I can see both sides of it. But overall I’m chilled, and I know the club will act decisively when the right player is available.

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32652 on: June 25, 2022, 06:10:48 pm »
Minamino deal complete now according to Tap-in.

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« Reply #32653 on: June 25, 2022, 06:11:20 pm »
I would definitely keep Bobby, especially if he has the desire to stay, and doesn’t demand a king’s ransom. He will also help the newbies settle, as we have a wholesome culture of established South American players that the newer ones can integrate with.

In addition to that, I think Bobby has plenty to offer as a player, and I don’t see much of a decline for him for the next few years. With the five sub rule too, it will help us balance the playing needs of older and younger players over the season.

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« Reply #32654 on: June 25, 2022, 06:12:28 pm »
Sounds like nonsense but just saw this in the Mirror. Agent talk to get Leeds to up their bid, I’d guess.

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Porto expect Liverpool to firm up their interest in winger Otavio this week after rejecting £26million bid from Leeds.

The Portuguese side believe an official offer of around £34m will be made by Jurgen Klopp’s club in what is expected to be a pivotal week for the player’s future. Brazil-born Portugal international Otavio has a release clause of around £51m in his contract.

But it is understood the Primeira Liga side are willing to do business at around the £38m mark and the player’s agent, Israel Oliveira, is in England trying to get a deal over the line for the 27-year-old.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-leeds-otavio-27327473
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« Reply #32655 on: June 25, 2022, 06:16:19 pm »
Good luck to Minamino. Good player who scored goals for us when called upon. Squad man not main man for us, and at his age he has every right to try to play more football for someone else. Sensible move all round.

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« Reply #32656 on: June 25, 2022, 07:22:01 pm »
The midfield would be the top priority for me now, too.

We have the numbers, but there is a question mark over durability, as a few get older. The biggest vulnerability is if both Henderson and Fabinho get injured at the same time, as we could get overrun in the engine room.

I can understand the thinking that if the one we want isn’t available now, then we keep our powder dry in the meantime.

It’s far from a desperate situation in midfield and we will probably still be fine for the season ahead, and not adding another midfielder right now might also see Jones and Elliot get more minutes, which in turn could help them stake a good claim to be mainstays into the future.

Still, I can see both sides of it. But overall I’m chilled, and I know the club will act decisively when the right player is available.

My concern is next summer. If Salah does leave then we have to replace him and potentially Keita, Milner and OX and the other lads are all a year older. If it stays as is id argue we need to cm's next summer and a Salah replacement.

Get a young CM in now and it eases some pressure on the older lads in midfield.


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« Reply #32657 on: June 25, 2022, 07:55:21 pm »
it seems obvious now that Diaz was Manes replacement. Club were likely aware that Mane was leaving so moved for him then.  Based on that im not sure we will be signing another forward.

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« Reply #32658 on: June 25, 2022, 07:57:49 pm »
No one said we were signing another forward after Nunez and Carvalho.  No one should be stupid enough to think it as well.

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« Reply #32659 on: June 25, 2022, 09:13:42 pm »
I mean I was one of the only people saying Nunez would be a good signing while most of the forum were dubbing him the new Andy Carroll so your insinuation that I'm the first to be negative or whatever is wrong and uncalled for.

My wider point is it makes little sense to retain Firmino yet let Salah and Mane go - if we don't want players to decline on our books then it should be a widespread policy.

In my personal opinion we should have been looking to use some of these pLyers' wages to bump Mane and Salah up because they're going to be very difficult to replace. Thankfully it looks like we have signed two very good players to do so but I'd still rather have Mane and Salah around than Firmino and another for example. Obviously we don't have unlimited wages but we seem to dish out inflated wages to less talented players at times yet draw the line at our best ones...

It comes down to value, the continuity of keeping Firmino for another season or two at the same or a lower salary is clearly a reasonable decision, doubling Mane's salary obviously doesn't deliver the same value, even without any of the inevitable knock-on effect on other salaries in the squad.

The idea that Keita, Firmino etc leaving would release enough salary to bump both Mane and Salah enough for them to sign new deals is simply laughable, Mane signed with Bayern for £360k a week and it seems unlikely that Mo is asking for less than that from us either.

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« Reply #32660 on: June 25, 2022, 09:15:22 pm »
I think if Mo is not going to sign then we'll sign an attacker in January hopefully and a left-footer at that. Given how much of the goalscoring load had been on him and Mane we need to be proactive and get someone in before he leaves otherwise whoever comes in the summer will be massively burdened by his legacy. Diaz signing earlier helped in this matter too because he showed enough in the 6 months to not be treated as someone filling mane's shoes.
I still have hope that Mo may just sign the deal because he does care about records and he'll have a chance to break as many as he wants if he stays put. It might be a compromise of sorts where we pay him a handsome loyalty bonus and signing fee without breaking the actual basic wage structure.

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« Reply #32661 on: June 25, 2022, 09:17:41 pm »
No one said we were signing another forward after Nunez and Carvalho.  No one should be stupid enough to think it as well.

Definitely not this summer.

Numbers wise we were fine in attack going into last season but even then it was Origi and Minamino needed to cover for AFCON mostly. As we signed Diaz it left us carrying one too many, numbers wise, once we had the AFCON players back. Therefore Origi, Minamino and Mane out and Diaz, Carvalho and Nunez in balances out.

The only glaring need to complete the squad is a CM and that's mainly because of Thiago's injury record and Henderson/Milner's age leading to a lack of legs in the middle of the park.
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« Reply #32662 on: June 25, 2022, 09:31:57 pm »
Missing out on Tchouameni was seriously annoying. Fucking Real Madrid.

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« Reply #32663 on: June 25, 2022, 11:13:46 pm »
Sounds like nonsense but just saw this in the Mirror. Agent talk to get Leeds to up their bid, I’d guess.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-transfer-news-leeds-otavio-27327473

Otavio is a very good player, but I'd be very surprised if we are interested in him. We don't need him ...

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32664 on: June 25, 2022, 11:21:01 pm »
My senses are definitely tingling but I'm not sure why.
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« Reply #32665 on: June 25, 2022, 11:22:24 pm »
I could post something to get you tingling. Just how deep do you want to go down the rabbit hole?

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« Reply #32666 on: June 25, 2022, 11:25:01 pm »
I could post something to get you tingling. Just how deep do you want to go down the rabbit hole?

Are these the famous Amir pics?

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Re: LIVERPOOL TRANSFER THREAD - END GAME
« Reply #32667 on: June 25, 2022, 11:29:02 pm »
I could post something to get you tingling. Just how deep do you want to go down the rabbit hole?
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« Reply #32668 on: June 25, 2022, 11:35:28 pm »
Are these the famous Amir pics?

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« Reply #32669 on: June 26, 2022, 12:06:19 am »
Are these the famous Amir pics?

Reads as though it might be Effes pics...
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« Reply #32670 on: June 26, 2022, 07:24:13 am »


Carney Chukwuemeka looks special, think that’s one we’re seriously interested in

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« Reply #32671 on: June 26, 2022, 07:36:39 am »
I just don't know what people have been watching these last few years - he might not rely on pace but he's increasingly injury prone, less explosive than he once was and less productive overall. I'm not sure any of those three counts can be labelled at Mane or Salah, bar perhaps the middle one for Mane to an extent.

If we retain him it's because he's a cheaper option, not a better one.


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« Reply #32672 on: June 26, 2022, 08:23:44 am »

Carney Chukwuemeka looks special, think that’s one we’re seriously interested in
Are you saying he's the next Jude Bellingham?

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« Reply #32673 on: June 26, 2022, 08:29:22 am »
Are you saying he's the next Jude Bellingham?

He’s on a free so it’s an opportunistic deal, pretty much considered as one of the best midfielders in the country for his age group so we’d definitely be interested

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« Reply #32674 on: June 26, 2022, 08:54:07 am »
Googling suggests his contract with AV has one more year to run?

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« Reply #32675 on: June 26, 2022, 09:09:22 am »

Carney Chukwuemeka looks special, think that’s one we’re seriously interested in

His you tube compilation certainly checks out!

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« Reply #32676 on: June 26, 2022, 09:48:26 am »
Need to be his next move if we're serious about him.  If he goes abroad he'll cost a bomb when he finally comes back to England.
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« Reply #32677 on: June 26, 2022, 11:18:40 am »
Nicolo Zaniolo hasn't signed a new contract with AS Roma, and his current one runs out in 2024. Could be an interesting target for next summer ...

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« Reply #32678 on: June 26, 2022, 11:19:59 am »
Could be a decent option for a Leicester or Villa.

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« Reply #32679 on: June 26, 2022, 11:21:12 am »
Nicolo Zaniolo hasn't signed a new contract with AS Roma, and his current one runs out in 2024. Could be an interesting target for next summer ...

https://youtu.be/n1NmlBQgeZo

Good player but lost his explosive pace after that last knee injury. Also very rare for a top Italian player to leave Serie A in their prime.