Topic: Trouble across the UK after Southport stabbings

[WhereAngelsPlay]

What I don’t get. He’s been building this up for years. So now looks like he’s shitting himself like you said so what what was his fucking plan? What was any of their plan? Did he / they think his lot were gonna overthrow the government and he’d be installed as king cos if this is his best effort they’ve completely shat the bed

Every time he steps out, there's a good chance that he is going to bump into somebody that wants to smash his teeth in, literally smash them out of his glass jaw.

And it'll happen sooner or later.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

But not the initial tweet which started the whole asylum seeker MI6 target shite.

If you’re happy with that, fair enough.

"If you're happy with that"

What does that even mean?

Read that back to yourself...

[Red Beret]

Has the guy that took a brick to the dick been sent down for anything?

He might need viagra to get it up again.

He's on bail for beating up a woman. Baffling.

[Nick110581]

https://xcancel.com/Deens786/status/1821278797871903177

He looks quite angry for someone calling for calm.

[Red Beret]

What I don’t get. He’s been building this up for years. So now looks like he’s shitting himself like you said so what what was his fucking plan? What was any of their plan? Did he / they think his lot were gonna overthrow the government and he’d be installed as king cos if this is his best effort they’ve completely shat the bed

Apparently the plan was thinking the Tories were going to be in power forever so they'd never be held accountable for their actions.

[Qston]

What I don’t get. He’s been building this up for years. So now looks like he’s shitting himself like you said so what what was his fucking plan? What was any of their plan? Did he / they think his lot were gonna overthrow the government and he’d be installed as king cos if this is his best effort they’ve completely shat the bed

I really don`t think it is any more complicated than he is full of hate, but is using that just to make money and celebrity. Same playbook as the likes of Trump, Tate and Frottage. Division sells.

If you're really fucking stupid when it comes to, I don`t know, the law, then it will eventually catch you up. Frottage for example is more careful in his language.

Robinson is just a grifter using hate, but too thick to understand the legal implications for himself. His financial advisor has dropped him - it won`t have been "r tommy" who will have set up a myriad of off shore companies, shell companies and so on. He pays people to do that shit. He probably has legal representation, but he shoots his mouth off too quickly for them to be able to tell him that he's being fucking stupid.

Detestable.

[RyanBabel19]

So the approach is basically bullshit as much as you can, say what you want and upload it to X because the owner is calling for hate free speech, then pretend you didn’t cause something if you didn’t explicitly say something in very specific terms…. Then accuse the opposite side of everything you’ve been doing.

It’s frustrating that not many of those speaking to these morons point out the obvious nonsense in what they’re saying and the fact not directly saying something doesn’t mean you can act innocent. Many of these hateful people like to incite hatred and division then claim to be innocent because they didn’t direclty say ‘go out and riot’. Reminds me of all the years of  ‘Tommys not racist, show me one time he said something racist’, anything posted was dismissed… fast forward to him using a racial slur on camera being posted and suddenly all those claims he isn’t racist go quiet.

Musk is dangerously hiding behind this guise of just making a platform for real news while wilfully ignoring the massive amounts of misinformation snd straight up bullshit posted on there.

Would love to see Yaxley-Lennon debate with someone intellegent and able to call him out again like the time he tried to discuss things with Akala and got shown up to be the fool he is

[Musketeer Gripweed]

Looks like a St Johnstone player might be getting sacked for sharing a Robinson video on Twitter.

Harsh, but fair.

[Qston]

So the approach is basically bullshit as much as you can, say what you want and upload it to X because the owner is calling for hate free speech, then pretend you didn’t cause something if you didn’t explicitly say something in very specific terms…. Then accuse the opposite side of everything you’ve been doing.

It’s frustrating that not many of those speaking to these morons point out the obvious nonsense in what they’re saying and the fact not directly saying something doesn’t mean you can act innocent. Many of these hateful people like to incite hatred and division then claim to be innocent because they didn’t direclty say ‘go out and riot’. Reminds me of all the years of  ‘Tommys not racist, show me one time he said something racist’, anything posted was dismissed… fast forward to him using a racial slur on camera being posted and suddenly all those claims he isn’t racist go quiet.

Musk is dangerously hiding behind this guise of just making a platform for real news while wilfully ignoring the massive amounts of misinformation snd straight up bullshit posted on there.

Would love to see Yaxley-Lennon debate with someone intellegent and able to call him out again like the time he tried to discuss things with Akala and got shown up to be the fool he is

....and is now blaming advertisers for the halving of revenue in the last 2 years since he took over on twitter, rather than perhaps considering that Unilever et al don`t really want to be associated with lunatics. Right wing nut jobs aren`t good for selling fabric softener

[Black Bull Nova]

I've never met anyone with a Tesla but assume they must sell a lot of cars for Elon to be able to spend (waste) £44bn on Twitter just to see it fall apart and be deserted. All it takes is a serious rival (should not be too hard really, see what Facebook did to MySpace) and he's lost £44bn. Surely he cannot sustain losses like that.

[Nick110581]

Labour councillor Ricky Jones has been suspended from the party after a clip emerged of him call for a crowd to "cut all the throats" of far-right protestors.

https://xcancel.com/connor_handlbc/status/1821514933470654466?s=46&t=UlJCusrx49tkHnEgce0dHA

[RyanBabel19]

....and is now blaming advertisers for the halving of revenue in the last 2 years since he took over on twitter, rather than perhaps considering that Unilever et al don`t really want to be associated with lunatics. Right wing nut jobs aren`t good for selling fabric softener

For someone so intellegent, his intellegence falls incredibly short when it comes to any human matters.

It's funny how you can buy an already successful platform that people are dedicated to using and then claim some sort of victory when people keep using that same platform they're already commited to using. All he's done is allow for dickheads to spread hatred and call it 'free speech'

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Labour councillor Ricky Jones has been suspended from the party after a clip emerged of him call for a crowd to "cut all the throats" of far-right protestors.

https://xcancel.com/connor_handlbc/status/1821514933470654466?s=46&t=UlJCusrx49tkHnEgce0dHA

Well you can't say shit like that especially in his position.

[Peabee]

I've never met anyone with a Tesla but assume they must sell a lot of cars for Elon to be able to spend (waste) £44bn on Twitter just to see it fall apart and be deserted. All it takes is a serious rival (should not be too hard really, see what Facebook did to MySpace) and he's lost £44bn. Surely he cannot sustain losses like that.

i'm not sure it's his money. He had backers, including Saudi Arabia.

[Qston]

I've never met anyone with a Tesla but assume they must sell a lot of cars for Elon to be able to spend (waste) £44bn on Twitter just to see it fall apart and be deserted. All it takes is a serious rival (should not be too hard really, see what Facebook did to MySpace) and he's lost £44bn. Surely he cannot sustain losses like that.

I have met people with those cars, and genuinely every single one of them has basically said they're over priced and shit.

A few years ago I saw a documentary about financial market traders, how they made money out of the crash and so on. It was on BBC i think. One fella, who is clearly clued up, has massively shorted Tesla and said that when their crash comes he is going to make many many millions. He was absolutely convinced of it. He thought, at least back then, that it was a massively overpriced stock that was ramped up because of the marketing effect of Musk and that they were one of the first out of the blocks. He said that when the likes of VW, BMW and so on catch up, then Tesla are fucked.

[Red Beret]

For someone so intellegent, his intellegence falls incredibly short when it comes to any human matters.

It's funny how you can buy an already successful platform that people are dedicated to using and then claim some sort of victory when people keep using that same platform they're already commited to using. All he's done is allow for dickheads to spread hatred and call it 'free speech'

He's basically saying, "look how shit I made the platform and people are STILL using it! I can get away with anything, me!"

[KurtVerbose]

Leanne Hodgson is another one that was exposed originally on social media.

It's great that it's being used to convict these lowlifes.

This is good for a larf.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XONbrhwST5A" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XONbrhwST5A</a>

[WhereAngelsPlay]

I've never met anyone with a Tesla but assume they must sell a lot of cars for Elon to be able to spend (waste) £44bn on Twitter just to see it fall apart and be deserted. All it takes is a serious rival (should not be too hard really, see what Facebook did to MySpace) and he's lost £44bn. Surely he cannot sustain losses like that.

The Saudis paid for it.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5g4djeplo

This is mad. A couple go out to play Bingo and end up deciding to riot.

Just... odd..

[Qston]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5g4djeplo

This is mad. A couple go out to play Bingo and end up deciding to riot.

Just... odd..

Ah, so those 2 Wharton fellas were some of those that set fire to the library ?  Good luck to them when they get out. Utter scum

[Qston]

The Saudis paid for it.

....and how often does he criticise them for freedom of speech ?

[Red Beret]

This is good for a larf.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/XONbrhwST5A" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/XONbrhwST5A</a>

love the way they kick her door in. Did she think that is she was just quiet and didn't answer they would think there was nobody in and go away?

[stoa]

love the way they kick her door in. Did she think that is she was just quiet and didn't answer they would think there was nobody in and go away?

Seeing how she used those garbage bins at the beginning of the video, that's clearly what she thought. Not the sharpest tool in the shed this one...

[KurtVerbose]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5g4djeplo

This is mad. A couple go out to play Bingo and end up deciding to riot.

Just... odd..

Yeah, and a gay couple also.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/P2e_VP4WWTA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/P2e_VP4WWTA</a>

There's a video of them trying to avoid journalists and they sound really quite camp. Seems so odd, camp bingo playing rioters, but maybe that's my prejudice?

They got 26 months.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

Yeah, and a gay couple also.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/P2e_VP4WWTA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/P2e_VP4WWTA</a>

There's a video of them trying to avoid journalists and they sound really quite camp. Seems so odd, camp bingo playing rioters, but maybe that's my prejudice?

They got 26 months.

Beggars belief. What is even going through their minds?

[KurtVerbose]

Seeing how she used those garbage bins at the beginning of the video, that's clearly what she thought. Not the sharpest tool in the shed this one...

No, but what a sense of style. She really knows how a 43 year old woman should dress for a night out on the town. I'm a bit surprised she's not hosting 'what not to wear'.

[KurtVerbose]

Beggars belief. What is even going through their minds?

I think the false assumption behind your reasoning is that they have minds.

[Hazell]

Beggars belief. What is even going through their minds?

'I pay your wages'. He paid for that Dog to be trained so he could bite him on the arse too

[redbyrdz]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze5g4djeplo

This is mad. A couple go out to play Bingo and end up deciding to riot.

Just... odd..

They also said they despise the far right. But maybe they also despise the police and refugees?


It also sounds as if they were quite drunk.



To be honest, even though I'm not shedding a tear for any racists going down over this, I'm a bit uneasy with the sentencing in general. It's typical of the UK justice system that things that would normally be overlooked are suddenly met with much stricter rules and people end up with long prison sentences that would normally not be sent down. I know this is designed to quench the riots and "restore order", but it doesn't seem entirely fair. I would want the system to work a bit more evenly. Much less happend to the attackers of the hotel in Huyton, for example. I wouldn't hold my breath that similar attacks in a couple of months will be met with similar pu ishment either.



This gay couple might have just been pretty drunk. That doesn't excuse their behaviour, but I can't shake the suspicion that had they acted like this on any other week, they'd probably just ended up with a community order.
(Or they might just be really stupid racists. No idea.)

[Qston]

They also said they despise the far right. But maybe they also despise the police and refugees?


It also sounds as if they were quite drunk.



To be honest, even though I'm not shedding a tear for any racists going down over this, I'm a bit uneasy with the sentencing in general. It's typical of the UK justice system that things that would normally be overlooked are suddenly met with much stricter rules and people end up with long prison sentences that would normally not be sent down. I know this is designed to quench the riots and "restore order", but it doesn't seem entirely fair. I would want the system to work a bit more evenly. Much less happend to the attackers of the hotel in Huyton, for example. I wouldn't hold my breath that similar attacks in a couple of months will be met with similar pu ishment either.



This gay couple might have just been pretty drunk. That doesn't excuse their behaviour, but I can't shake the suspicion that had they acted like this on any other week, they'd probably just ended up with a community order.
(Or they might just be really stupid racists. No idea.)

I agree with some of that. All should face punishment if convicted. The slight niggle I have is that if it is genuinely one stupid mistake (take the younger brother involved at spellow lane) that you don`t want to create a situation where they may have avoided criminality for the rest of their lives save for this complete moment of madness, and it starts a cycle.

Such a tricky one, and frankly on this point I am not sure what the hell to think

[Black Bull Nova]

Yeah, and a gay couple also.

<a href="https://www.youtube.com/v/P2e_VP4WWTA" target="_blank" rel="noopener noreferrer" class="bbc_link bbc_flash_disabled new_win">https://www.youtube.com/v/P2e_VP4WWTA</a>

There's a video of them trying to avoid journalists and they sound really quite camp. Seems so odd, camp bingo playing rioters, but maybe that's my prejudice?

They got 26 months.

Less Brown Shirts and more Brown Pants I suspect

[Peabee]

"Mistakes" aren't an excuse to avoid convictions. Nor is being drunk.  A first offence with genuine remorse - it being a mistake or out of character etc - could be mitigators in any sentencing though. I got done for assault when I was younger, which was a stupid mistake where I thought someone was starting on my brother. I avoided jail because of mitigating factors.

My solicitor also told me about convictions involving "reckless", e.g. if you throw an empty can of coke backwards over your head and it hits someone, they could press charges. Even though it's a mistake/error.

[So… Howard Philips]

They also said they despise the far right. But maybe they also despise the police and refugees?


It also sounds as if they were quite drunk.



To be honest, even though I'm not shedding a tear for any racists going down over this, I'm a bit uneasy with the sentencing in general. It's typical of the UK justice system that things that would normally be overlooked are suddenly met with much stricter rules and people end up with long prison sentences that would normally not be sent down. I know this is designed to quench the riots and "restore order", but it doesn't seem entirely fair. I would want the system to work a bit more evenly. Much less happend to the attackers of the hotel in Huyton, for example. I wouldn't hold my breath that similar attacks in a couple of months will be met with similar pu ishment either.



This gay couple might have just been pretty drunk. That doesn't excuse their behaviour, but I can't shake the suspicion that had they acted like this on any other week, they'd probably just ended up with a community order.
(Or they might just be really stupid racists. No idea.)

Sentences for Kirkby racists were in the same order as those currently being handed out.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-68596397

[KurtVerbose]

I watched the sentencing of Morgan and O’Malley and the judge explained why the tariff jumps when they're part of a mob. I think a big reason why the rioting has died down is the long sentences that have been rapidly dished out. Unfair? Maybe. Effective? Almost certainly.

I do have a problem with some sentencing.

Just Stop Oil. They were well guilty, blackmailing the nation unless we did what they wanted. But it wasn't a violent crime, and it wasn't done in their own self interest. It certainly wasn't as bad as trying to burn people alive in a hotel, yet one of them got 5 years. Maybe the judge thought that was what was needed to make them stop?

[Peabee]

I watched the sentencing of Morgan and O’Malley and the judge explained why the tariff jumps when they're part of a mob. I think a big reason why the rioting has died down is the long sentences that have been rapidly dished out. Unfair? Maybe. Effective? Almost certainly.

I do have a problem with some sentencing.

Just Stop Oil. They were well guilty, blackmailing the nation unless we did what they wanted. But it wasn't a violent crime, and it wasn't done in their own self interest. It certainly wasn't as bad as trying to burn people alive in a hotel, yet one of them got 5 years. Maybe the judge thought that was what was needed to make them stop?

Blackmailing the nation? 

PS: JSO hasn't stopped. They've paused action while all this far-right nonsense is going on.

[KurtVerbose]

Blackmailing the nation? 

Yes, quite literally. They tried to grind London to a halt (amongst other things) unless the government said no more oil licences. And in the trial they said the new Labour government had met that demand so there was no reason to jail them. What's that if not blackmail?

[Fromola]

I watched the sentencing of Morgan and O’Malley and the judge explained why the tariff jumps when they're part of a mob. I think a big reason why the rioting has died down is the long sentences that have been rapidly dished out. Unfair? Maybe. Effective? Almost certainly.

I do have a problem with some sentencing.

Just Stop Oil. They were well guilty, blackmailing the nation unless we did what they wanted. But it wasn't a violent crime, and it wasn't done in their own self interest. It certainly wasn't as bad as trying to burn people alive in a hotel, yet one of them got 5 years. Maybe the judge thought that was what was needed to make them stop?

It shows that being tough on crime is a key deterrent for it. Perception is important. It's why petty crimes like shop lifting are through the roof because people aren't getting prosecuted.

[Peabee]

Yes, quite literally. They tried to grind London to a halt (amongst other things) unless the government said no more oil licences. And in the trial they said the new Labour government had met that demand so there was no reason to jail them. What's that if not blackmail?

Labour didn't take that policy because of JSO. There's a difference between violence/rioting and non-violent protest. The latter I'm all for, even if it does slow down someone's commute.

[Peabee]

It shows that being tough on crime is a key deterrent for it. Perception is important. It's why petty crimes like shop lifting are through the roof because people aren't getting prosecuted.

It's because people are skint. People do get prosecuted for shoplifting.

[redbyrdz]

It shows that being tough on crime is a key deterrent for it. Perception is important. It's why petty crimes like shop lifting are through the roof because people aren't getting prosecuted.

I read a study once that found that the biggest deterrants for crime are the chance of getting caught (duh!) and the speed of sentencing. The severity of the sentence was much less important. I think Starmer knows this, which is why there is so kuch emphasis of quick trials for the riots. The courts are booked out for months, there must have been serious pressure "from above" to squeeze the cases in within days.