Topic: Lawless Liverpool?

[courty61]

Reading the Echo story it seems his star witness may have been the turning point and a massive error on the defences part

[c0burn]

His star witness turned up in scally clothes key to the prosecution case in order to convey that "everyone" wore Monterrain trackies. Idiot

[reddebs]

His star witness turned up in scally clothes key to the prosecution case in order to convey that "everyone" wore Monterrain trackies. Idiot

I've no idea what this means mate could you explain please?

[gazzam1963]

His star witness turned up in scally clothes key to the prosecution case in order to convey that "everyone" wore Monterrain trackies. Idiot

I actually thought the idea of the witness Turning up in monterrain and cruyffs was to make the jury think all lads wear that stuff so the fact the killer wore similar stuff meant it could be anyone . Was the fact Paul Russell pleaded guilty to helping an offender not brought up in court or was it brought up but just not allowed to be reported


Edit either one of the two main witnesses one for the defence one for the prosecution committed perjury surely , we now know it was the defence one

[courty61]

I've no idea what this means mate could you explain please?

Yeah came wearing basically the same clothes as the killer on CCTV to prove that everyone in Dovecot wears those clothes.

The trainers were brand new and there was an audible gasp/laugh when he was asked to show to the Court.

[reddebs]

Yeah came wearing basically the same clothes as the killer on CCTV to prove that everyone in Dovecot wears those clothes.

The trainers were brand new and there was an audible gasp/laugh when he was asked to show to the Court.

Ah ok it makes sense now 😂

[Son of Spion]

Guilty on all counts.

Absolutely fantastic news. I was worried that this piece of shit would walk.

Horrible scumbag.

[Spezialo]

Rumours of him being responsible for a few other murder's. Even before the trial.

[Nobby Reserve]

With hindsight, it's a pity that fellow scumbag Nee survived. Refused to give evidence against the maggot who tried to kill him. Part of the evil underbelly that plagues this city. If you could wave a smiting wand to get rid of all the oxygen thieves, it'd be tempting.

[gazzam1963]

With hindsight, it's a pity that fellow scumbag Nee survived. Refused to give evidence against the maggot who tried to kill him. Part of the evil underbelly that plagues this city. If you could wave a smiting wand to get rid of all the oxygen thieves, it'd be tempting.

Maybe he won’t be third time lucky next time , already had two attempts on him

[Livbes]

Hopefully both the c*nts get their comeuppance in prison.

The state of his Mrs leaving court with her colours, shades and fuck off lips. After what he’s done (and done to her and kids behind her back) you’d have disowned him and his rotten family. Money though hey. Oh and she “didn’t know” he was a drug dealer? Pathetic.

[Armchair expert]

As lovely as you imagined they'd be

https://xcancel.com/LivEchonews/status/1641452209669046281

[liverbloke]

shackled with a ball and chain and life time of hard labour if i had my way

[Brain Potter]

One thing I was thinking about is that the Russell guy has pleaded guilty to assisting an offender (Cashman) already and is serving a sentence. If Cashman had been found not guilty , could you not have a situation where somebody is serving time for assisting an offender who has been found not guilty. I couldn’t get my head around this.

[Son of Spion]

As lovely as you imagined they'd be

https://xcancel.com/LivEchonews/status/1641452209669046281

No surprise whatsoever. A child has been murdered and they act like that. Absolute vermin, the lot of them. This city has far too many of these parasites who make out their murdering offspring, family, friends etc are the salt of the earth who help old ladies across the road. There's also far too many duck-billed airheads living off the proceeds of their misery-dealing murdering scum boyfriends activities and pretending they're unaware of where the money comes from.

It's a vile, horrible culture and these parasites leeching off our communities need wiping out. Everyone in the community knew full well who murdered this poor young child. His family knew. His girlfriend knew. His parasitic friends knew. Despite that, they act like this rather than acting with dignity and expecting their little scumbag to act like a man and own what he's done and pay his price.

[So… Howard Philips]

With hindsight, it's a pity that fellow scumbag Nee survived. Refused to give evidence against the maggot who tried to kill him. Part of the evil underbelly that plagues this city. If you could wave a smiting wand to get rid of all the oxygen thieves, it'd be tempting.

When one murders another one and the murderer gets life I always think it’s a well earned twofer for society.

[Fiasco]

One thing I was thinking about is that the Russell guy has pleaded guilty to assisting an offender (Cashman) already and is serving a sentence. If Cashman had been found not guilty , could you not have a situation where somebody is serving time for assisting an offender who has been found not guilty. I couldn’t get my head around this.

I'm no legal eagle but I was a bit confused by it myself. At the time of Russell serving his sentence, Cashman hadn't been found guilty, so he (Russell) was in essence serving a sentence in relation to a crime in which the defendant had yet to be convicted. I just wasn't sure I'd read anything like that before.

[vladis voice]

My understanding was that the Russell lad pled guilty last year but reporting restrictions meant it wasn't made public until outcome of this trial to avoid any influence on jury etc - he will be sentenced on Monday along with Cashman and has been remanded to custody in the interim whilst awaiting sentence (presumably any time he gets will recognise that already served)

[Qston]

As lovely as you imagined they'd be

https://xcancel.com/LivEchonews/status/1641452209669046281

Delightful people. How dare they act like this when a little girl has been murdered - irrespective of whether they think their scumbag boyfriend/son/brother is innocent or not. Have some respect for the poor family involved. Hope their miserable lives are ruined by this as well.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Made up for olivias family.

Hopefully they go after Cashman regarding his weed business an all now. Seize all his assets as proceeds from crime etc and leave his missus without a fucking bean.

Shitbags

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Bizarre how they went after the star witness reading bits here. I mean I know why they do it but Christ.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/30/olivia-pratt-korbel-case-pitted-defiant-star-witness-against-killers-cleverness

[Terry de Niro]

Bizarre how they went after the star witness reading bits here. I mean I know why they do it but Christ.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/mar/30/olivia-pratt-korbel-case-pitted-defiant-star-witness-against-killers-cleverness

Very good article that.

[reddebs]

Made up for olivias family.

Hopefully they go after Cashman regarding his weed business an all now. Seize all his assets as proceeds from crime etc and leave his missus without a fucking bean.

Shitbags

Said that yesterday mate.  None of his family or associates should be allowed to profit from any of his assets. 

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Said that yesterday mate.  None of his family or associates should be allowed to profit from any of his assets. 

Well hopefully with the proceeds from crime thing theyll charge him for the weed dealing(They should be able to right?) and add years onto his ones for the murder and attempted murder etc and then they’ll ask for money back which if he doesn’t pay back they can add another few on so he’ll never get out.

[Sir Capon of Debaser]

Very good article that.

yeah, was wasn’t it. Bit detailed about the girl an that. Seemed on the ball didn’t she

[Terry de Niro]

yeah, was wasn’t it. Bit detailed about the girl an that. Seemed on the ball didn’t she

It must of took a lot of courage to speak out as she did. Played a massive part in nailing that maggot, I reckon.
Hope she has a long and happy life.

[Nobby Reserve]

No surprise whatsoever. A child has been murdered and they act like that. Absolute vermin, the lot of them. This city has far too many of these parasites who make out their murdering offspring, family, friends etc are the salt of the earth who help old ladies across the road. There's also far too many duck-billed airheads living off the proceeds of their misery-dealing murdering scum boyfriends activities and pretending they're unaware of where the money comes from.

It's a vile, horrible culture and these parasites leeching off our communities need wiping out. Everyone in the community knew full well who murdered this poor young child. His family knew. His girlfriend knew. His parasitic friends knew. Despite that, they act like this rather than acting with dignity and expecting their little scumbag to act like a man and own what he's done and pay his price.

There was a great report on Radio Merseyside yesterday. One of the points they made was that Cashman and his 'associates' terrorised that whole neighbourhood even before the murder. Afterwards, many residents were too scared to assist the police and refused to hand over CCTV, so the police had to subpoena them.

The drug gang culture is stinkingly toxic.

So much hand-wringing at present about how do we address and combat this.

The answer is fucking simple. Legalise drugs and sell them - taxed - through licenced outlets. Prohibition doesn't work. It doesn't reduce demand, but just allows criminal gangs to fill the supply vacuum (see the rise of the Mafia in Prohibition USA)

[Nobby Reserve]

It must of took a lot of courage to speak out as she did. Played a massive part in nailing that maggot, I reckon.
Hope she has a long and happy life.

Far away from Liverpool, you'd imagine.

[Terry de Niro]

Far away from Liverpool, you'd imagine.

Indeed.

[Nobby Reserve]

[So… Howard Philips]

There was a great report on Radio Merseyside yesterday. One of the points they made was that Cashman and his 'associates' terrorised that whole neighbourhood even before the murder. Afterwards, many residents were too scared to assist the police and refused to hand over CCTV, so the police had to subpoena them.

The drug gang culture is stinkingly toxic.

So much hand-wringing at present about how do we address and combat this.

The answer is fucking simple. Legalise drugs and sell them - taxed - through licenced outlets. Prohibition doesn't work. It doesn't reduce demand, but just allows criminal gangs to fill the supply vacuum (see the rise of the Mafia in Prohibition USA)

Legalisation wouldn’t completely eradicate criminality. Just look at the profits around untaxed cigarettes.

Criminals would do their best to undercut legitimate supply as well by offering cheaper, unlicensed and probably unadulterated drugs.

[B0151?]

Legalisation wouldn’t completely eradicate criminality. Just look at the profits around untaxed cigarettes.

Criminals would do their best to undercut legitimate supply as well by offering cheaper, unlicensed and probably unadulterated drugs.

There will always be criminals of course. But it made me sick to read a scumbag like Cashman was making 5k a week from just supplying weed. There's no reason that at least shouldn't be legalised. It wouldn't be a complete game changer but it would make a decent impact in reducing a cash flow to scumbags. And also weed is how a good amount of young lads get sucked into that world, I've seen it happen. Again wouldn't stop that completely but would make an impact in the criminal demand.

[courty61]

I very much doubt he was just dealing weed.

Articles around today suggest definitely cocaine and also it seems like he may have been a hired hit man, hence his connections to other shootings

[B0151?]

I very much doubt he was just dealing weed.

Articles around today suggest definitely cocaine and also it seems like he may have been a hired hit man, hence his connections to other shootings

Would make sense of course like, post still applies though!!

[stoa]

I'm no legal eagle but I was a bit confused by it myself. At the time of Russell serving his sentence, Cashman hadn't been found guilty, so he (Russell) was in essence serving a sentence in relation to a crime in which the defendant had yet to be convicted. I just wasn't sure I'd read anything like that before.

The only kind of similar thing seems to be from "Making a Murderer". As far as I remember it, Avery and Dassey had separate trials and both got guilty verdicts, but in both cases a completely different run of events was presented. That seems very iffy. It's the US though and I have no idea how that would work in the UK or elsewhere.

[Mumm-Ra]

Interesting, Cashman was questioned about the murder of Karl Bradley 10 years ago

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/olivia-killer-thomas-cashman-quizzed-26607675

That's the brother of Kirk Bradley who was locked up with Tony Downes (?) I think, for their 'terror campaign' that included leaving a grenade on Kenny Dalglish's garden wall. They then escaped from prison when their transport van was hijacked. Proper Line of Duty stuff.

I know it's sordid and all but there's some fascinating stories out there about the Liverpool underworld if you were able to piece all the bits together. So often when you're reading the Echo you'll see a familiar name in one of the investigations and it turns out he was in another case a couple of years back. Seems like Huyton is a hot spot as well. Reuben Murphy was another name that kept coming up.

[Spezialo]

'Rumoured' he was involved with Blake Brown as well

[naYoRHa2b]

Hopefully they've got the right man. Should rot in hell.

I do remember some time back there being a thread on this site about grasses and dealers, like weed is just some small time drug. It's not, these dealers devastate peoples lives, communities. There should be no place for them, think on that when your phoning your dealer for your next few ounce.

[Mumm-Ra]

Hopefully they've got the right man. Should rot in hell.

I do remember some time back there being a thread on this site about grasses and dealers, like weed is just some small time drug. It's not, these dealers devastate peoples lives, communities. There should be no place for them, think on that when your phoning your dealer for your next few ounce.

Nah not at all

It’s not the weed it’s the large amounts of illicit black market cash that it generates. Anyway, no way in hell he was just dealing weed after what I’m reading about him now.


And by the way, few ounces? Fuckin ell Tommy Chong over here 

[gazzalfc]

Shithouse wont go into the dock for sentencing. Maybe something to do with the £250k bounty on his head to stop him turning 'grass' on the inside.