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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #40 on: February 2, 2008, 09:07:10 pm »

Huge talent. Always re-inventing himself, he's provided some outstanding music over the years and been a massive influence on other artists and bands. He penned 'All the Young Dudes' especially for Mott The Hoople at a time when they were struggling and looking to quit.

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #41 on: February 2, 2008, 09:12:50 pm »
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #42 on: February 2, 2008, 09:15:43 pm »
I was lucky enough to see him in Toronto in 1987 (Duran Duran were the support) and he gave a fantastic live show.
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #43 on: February 2, 2008, 09:22:04 pm »
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #44 on: February 3, 2008, 12:01:19 pm »
Been a massive fan since 1992. Seen him 23 times live in Europe, USA and here in Oz.  His 90s output, 1. Outside, Earthling and The Buddha Of Suburbia in particular were smashing records.  Heathen in 2002 was a true return to form and unlike his peers he has been touring obscure and new songs to very youthful crowds since 1995 with grand style.

If you want to witness a quality live show then buy the Reality tour film from 2003.  Great show packed with hits, rare gems and new material. His reworking of Loving The Alien was sublime.  It was filmed in Dublin and I was there both nights. Best two nights of my life. 

Fave albums are Station To Station, Low, Lodger, 1. Outside, Heathen and Diamond Dogs.  Fave songs are Fantastic Voyage, A New Career In A New Town, Scream Like A Baby, New Killer Star and Big Brother.  He has influenced many of today's modern acts with Blur, Placebo, NIN, Arcade Fire, Dandy Warhols, Suede, Pulp, Nirvana, Morrissey, The Killers, Divine Comedy, Powderfinger and many others admitting he has had a large influence on their music. :)

Probably more influencial than The Beatles imo :)
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #45 on: May 2, 2008, 08:48:38 pm »
There's a free tribute CD* with the latest issue of Uncut magazine. Couple of decent covers. Couple of shockers. Couple of jawdroppers - Nico doing Heroes, sounding like a gay Laibach.

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« Reply #46 on: May 2, 2008, 08:51:52 pm »
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #47 on: May 2, 2008, 08:56:47 pm »
Last great single was Fashion (turn to the left).

Low is his best album IMHO, followed by Hunky Dory, Ziggy and Young Americans.

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #48 on: May 2, 2008, 08:58:35 pm »
I've always loved the trippy eyes he has. I'd love to have different coloured eyes.
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #49 on: May 3, 2008, 09:26:28 am »
I've always loved the trippy eyes he has. I'd love to have different coloured eyes.

My missis has got that condition.  Not a joke, she really has.  Her ophthalmologist told her it's incredibly rare and very few people have it. 

Back to Bowie, be honest now, and I mean REALLY honest, how many great songs can you name?  I don't mean how many Bowie songs you can name, I mean how many are great?

For me, there's very few actual great songs.  He's well known to plagiarise/cannibalise his own back catalogue and as something of a fan myself, these are the only ones I'd say fit into the "greatness" category.  Ready?

Oh you pretty things.
All the young dudes.
When you rock and roll with me.
Let's dance. 

There's some others that are good, some which are average and some, face it, which are poor (Tin Machine - what was he thinking?).  I think he's stayed popular by constant change, which is good, but at the cost of losing touch with his natural abilities due to the compromise of having to make those ch-ch-ch-changes (oh all right, I'll grant you that was a great as well). 

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #50 on: May 3, 2008, 09:45:27 am »
Never really into Bowie - although I liked a lot of the music around him. He obviously came out with some brilliant, brilliant stuff however that I'm sure everyone can appreciate.
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #51 on: May 3, 2008, 09:59:08 am »
Tear me a new one, do your worst! 

Well personally I'd add Starman, Space Oddity and Ziggy Stardust without too much thought.
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #52 on: May 3, 2008, 10:04:36 am »
Truly great songs?

Heroes undoubtedly, for a kick off.

Also Life on Mars and Ziggy Stardust. And, as said previously, the entire Low album, which was years ahead of its time.

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« Reply #53 on: May 3, 2008, 10:12:37 am »
Well personally I'd add Starman, Space Oddity and Ziggy Stardust without too much thought.

Starman.....errrrr maybe, Space Oddity was just that, an oddity ahead of it's time but I wouldn't call it great and Ziggy Stardust?  Good, certainly but great, not. 
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #54 on: May 3, 2008, 10:14:16 am »
Fuck me, how did I forget Life on Mars?
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #55 on: May 3, 2008, 10:14:42 am »
Truly great songs?

Heroes undoubtedly, for a kick off.

Also Life on Mars and Ziggy Stardust. And, as said previously, the entire Low album, which was years ahead of its time.

Heroes was a bit repetitive once you'd heard it three times though, wasn't it?  Life on Mars, again, you may have a point but as for the ENTIRE Low album, certainly side 2 was a grower but some of the songs on side 1 were a bit plastic-y and pop-y weren't they? 
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #56 on: May 3, 2008, 10:23:19 am »
Space Oddity was just that, an oddity ahead of it's time but I wouldn't call it great

See I strongly disagree with that - ahead of it's time undoubtedly but also a great tune that I haven't tired of. Makes it great in my eyes.
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« Reply #57 on: May 3, 2008, 10:32:04 am »
See I strongly disagree with that - ahead of it's time undoubtedly but also a great tune that I haven't tired of. Makes it great in my eyes.

This is EXACTLY how Nazi Germany started! 
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #58 on: May 3, 2008, 10:38:20 am »
This is EXACTLY how Nazi Germany started! 

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #59 on: May 3, 2008, 11:32:39 am »
Heroes was a bit repetitive once you'd heard it three times though, wasn't it?  Life on Mars, again, you may have a point but as for the ENTIRE Low album, certainly side 2 was a grower but some of the songs on side 1 were a bit plastic-y and pop-y weren't they? 

Each to his own, and all that. But to me Low is the ultimate Bowie album. I believe it's his favourite too.

The second side is very, very dark, not to everyone's liking, but side one is tremendous. The plastic, synth feel certainly is there, intentionally, and was the precurser to the 80s pop sound, especially Low's drum sound, heavily sampled in years to follow.

Be My Wife is one of my favourite Bowie songs, as is Always Crashing In The Same Car.

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #60 on: May 3, 2008, 11:36:59 am »
This is EXACTLY how Nazi Germany started! 

Incidentally Bowie was allegedly a bit of a Nazi himself in his Berlin days. There is a story of him arriving at a London train station on a visit back and giving the Nazi salute to the press, although he later claimed that he was just waving at them.

Anyway, Heil! That reminds me, I watched Downfall on More4 last night. Great German movie about Hitler's final days. But there is a great piece on YouTube of Hitler being told Sheffield United have been relegated and kicking off. So funny.

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« Reply #61 on: May 3, 2008, 12:27:24 pm »
Incidentally Bowie was allegedly a bit of a Nazi himself in his Berlin days. There is a story of him arriving at a London train station on a visit back and giving the Nazi salute to the press, although he later claimed that he was just waving at them.

Anyway, Heil! That reminds me, I watched Downfall on More4 last night. Great German movie about Hitler's final days. But there is a great piece on YouTube of Hitler being told Sheffield United have been relegated and kicking off. So funny.

I remember the furore at the time of Bowie's ill-advised Nazi salute thing.  He arrived at Victoria (I think) and several music papers were invited to come and cover the story.  He'd hired an old German-style car with no roof and he stood seig-heiling as the car drove round for a bit while photographs were taken.  In a bizarre interview minutes later, he claimed Britain needed a dictator to lead us and this was his way of highlighting his belief! 

As for the "Downfall" story, I haven't seen the Sheffield Wednesday one but I have seen a really funny one Celtic put on You Tube about the other Huns featuring clips from that film.  It is WELL funny and I recommend searching it out. 
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #62 on: May 4, 2008, 09:22:44 am »
Each to his own, and all that. But to me Low is the ultimate Bowie album. I believe it's his favourite too.

The second side is very, very dark, not to everyone's liking, but side one is tremendous. The plastic, synth feel certainly is there, intentionally, and was the precurser to the 80s pop sound, especially Low's drum sound, heavily sampled in years to follow.

Be My Wife is one of my favourite Bowie songs, as is Always Crashing In The Same Car.

Low is quite possibly my favourite album of all time but I think yoy're being rather unfair to Kraftwerk in your analysis of the albums influence.  The album was hugely influential but the sound that it propagated was Kraftwerk's not Bowie's. 
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #63 on: May 4, 2008, 12:19:55 pm »
I know I sound like a broken record on here but make sure to check out Nina Simone's version as well.

Never heard that, till just a minute ago.............. Wow, Thanks for the heads up :thumbup

Back on topic, Got into him through the 80's stuff that most on here seem to criticise, love most of his stuff.

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« Reply #64 on: May 4, 2008, 12:31:01 pm »
I think his best album was Station to Station, myself.  Cracking songs on that. 
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #65 on: May 4, 2008, 01:28:25 pm »
Big David Bowie fan. "Heroes" would have to be my favourite album of his. As others have said on here already, he was way ahead of his time. Perhaps the most influential artist of all time.

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« Reply #66 on: May 4, 2008, 02:00:31 pm »
Low is quite possibly my favourite album of all time but I think yoy're being rather unfair to Kraftwerk in your analysis of the albums influence.  The album was hugely influential but the sound that it propagated was Kraftwerk's not Bowie's. 

Oh sure, Kraftwerk were a huge influence on Bowie, and others, especially seeing he was living in Berlin at the time. He was listening to Can and Neu too.

But the key difference is that those German bands, Kraftwerk less so, were not really established in Britain. Bowie was a huge star. So when he made Low it had a huge reach, beyond that of the German bands. Teenagers who would go on to become stars in the years that followed, Gary Numan, the Human League etc were highly influenced by Low and Heroes.

Also while Bowie would have been influenced by Kraftwerk, his sound is not identical to theirs. He adapted their ideas, as others would adapt Bowie's.

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #67 on: May 4, 2008, 02:40:33 pm »
I never liked him at the time, mainly because I was and still am a jazz-loving music snob, and also because in the seventies there was so much serious talent (Old Grey W. T. rather than TOTP) around that someone who needed all the make-up and shit couldn't be taken seriously on the grounds of 'big hat no cattle'.
However when I hear any of his music nowadays I invariably love it and become acutely aware of how lucky we were in those days to have so much really special music around.
He was however always more on the 'pop' side than the 'serious' rock music of the day.

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« Reply #68 on: May 6, 2008, 02:23:13 am »
I'm a huge fan of Bowie. Prefer his plastic soul/"Berlin Period" to the glam material i.e. albums like Young Americans, Station to Station, Heroes, Lodger and Low, which is one of my top five favourite albums.

Each to his own, and all that. But to me Low is the ultimate Bowie album. I believe it's his favourite too.

The second side is very, very dark, not to everyone's liking, but side one is tremendous. The plastic, synth feel certainly is there, intentionally, and was the precurser to the 80s pop sound, especially Low's drum sound, heavily sampled in years to follow.

I agree. The album's instrumentals like Speed of Life are also fantastic

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #69 on: May 6, 2008, 10:34:51 am »
Bowie is God.  End of.

Seen the man twice.  Have all his albums.

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« Reply #70 on: May 12, 2008, 11:41:50 pm »
I never liked him at the time, mainly because I was and still am a jazz-loving music snob

Jazz-loving music snob? I like the sound of that. What jazz are you into? Although, having come to your comment late in the day you may not see this.

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« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2008, 12:26:04 am »
Amazing artist, and that doesn't even begin to cover it.  Bowie began my love affair with music. 
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #73 on: May 13, 2008, 01:48:31 am »
I had to go out and buy 'Low' after reading this thread. Great album, it and 'Heroes' are pretty much inseparable, though I still like the instrumental tracks on 'Heroes' more than 'Low', so 'Heroes' still edges it for me.  :P

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #74 on: May 13, 2008, 09:59:38 am »
Best song he's ever done?


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« Reply #75 on: May 13, 2008, 11:25:25 am »
Best song he's ever done?


Sound and Vision.

Which spookily enough was playing on iTunes when I read that.

Just giving Low a listen, it's been years since I last heard it, probably when I owned the vinyl. I'd forgotten how good an album it was, and a lot warmer sounding than I remember. Although I've been listening to a lot of Kraut Rock recently, so anything sounds warm in comparison.

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« Reply #76 on: May 13, 2008, 11:53:44 am »
Which spookily enough was playing on iTunes when I read that.

Just giving Low a listen, it's been years since I last heard it, probably when I owned the vinyl. I'd forgotten how good an album it was, and a lot warmer sounding than I remember. Although I've been listening to a lot of Kraut Rock recently, so anything sounds warm in comparison.

Weirdly enough I've been listening to a lot of Kraut Rock while I've been working out.  Its good music to imagine your body turning into a machine, so you can disassociate your mind from the agonies of working out.
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #77 on: June 29, 2008, 02:41:35 pm »
just got the Daily Mail today for the iSELECT album which came free with it ... yes .. yet another compilation but while it has a few obvious tracks, like Life On Mars, it's got quite a few less well known gems ... focuses mostly on the 70s .. stuff like "Sweet Thing/ Candidate" from Diamond Dogs, "Lady Grinning Soul" , "Win" ,later 70s stuff like  "Teenage Wildlife"and "Fantastic Voyage" and "Hang on to yourself" from the classic 1972 live at Santa Monica bootleg which is about to get an official release

got to say it's very enjoyable and reminds you that during the 70s he was pretty much untouchable ...  Its easy to remember how good the songs are but I'd actually forgotten what a great voice he had

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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #78 on: June 29, 2008, 05:25:03 pm »
I'd actually forgotten what a great voice he had
Shirley, that's impossible! I mean everytime I hear "Heroes" I just go WOW! That vocal's just unbelievable. Five Years and Life on Mars? are bang on money as well.

Having real hard time thinking of someone who comes even close, can only think of Mac from E&TB singing 'Ocean Rain', which is ridiculously beautiful. And some Mark Hollis vocals on latter Talk Talk albums,  utterly devastating when he comes in. I'm sure I'm forgetting heckloads of stuff,  though.
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Re: David Bowie
« Reply #79 on: June 29, 2008, 07:02:12 pm »
Shirley, that's impossible! I mean everytime I hear "Heroes" I just go WOW! That vocal's just unbelievable. Five Years and Life on Mars? are bang on money as well.

Having real hard time thinking of someone who comes even close, can only think of Mac from E&TB singing 'Ocean Rain', which is ridiculously beautiful. And some Mark Hollis vocals on latter Talk Talk albums,  utterly devastating when he comes in. I'm sure I'm forgetting heckloads of stuff,  though.

well yeah ... sounds daft but you just take how good he was for granted .. you hear him singing today and he's lost a lot of the top range of his voice but he still sounds pretty good .... just that some of these songs I hadn't heard in quite a while and the way he delivers some of the lyrics ...
particularly "Sweet Thing", "Lady Grinning Soul" and "Win"  then there's the sheer playfulness of "The Bewlay Brothers" ... awesome 
 
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