Topic: Labour Thread * No Gaza *

[zero zero]

Because the Green Belt is there for a reason and has been getting smaller, and smaller.

The so-called 'Grey Belt', is still Green Belt land.

Brownfield sites are also hotbeds for reptiles and (often) rare insects.

After decades of non-investment we are in dire need of more housing. We have to prioritise our housing shortfall over the needs of some lizards. Nature will find a way, whereas the government is all the humans have got.

[Red-Soldier]

After decades of non-investment we are in dire need of more housing. We have to prioritise our housing shortfall over the needs of some lizards. Nature will find a way, whereas the government is all the humans have got.

We are one of the most nature depleted countries, in the world.  Without, it, we all die.

We do need housing, but, it needs to sustainable, and needs to be affordable (and social), with the correct infrastructure, too.

[WhereAngelsPlay]

Clever planning and we can live beside the Lizards, just need to provide a decent (protected) habitat & nature highways.

[zero zero]

We are one of the most nature depleted countries, in the world.  Without, it, we all die.

And yet we've reintroduced the European Bison to our island. There's a lot of wonderful people doing what they can where they can. There's plenty oof protected land that we can make better us of. Addressing the wanton pollution of our rivers is, to me, a greater need than preserving accidental grey field sites.

We do need housing, but, it needs to sustainable, and needs to be affordable (and social), with the correct infrastructure, too.

People, especially young people, need to see some chance of a better tomorrow otherwise we will play in to the hands of the populists. I agree with the above, btw.

[zero zero]

I love wildlife as much as the next man 

[reddebs]

It's not quite as simple as that.  They are (technically) protected areas and have to be managed in a certain way.  But, lots of development does happen next to them.

They do have to be taken into account and mitigation measures, are often proposed.

I live near a harbour and one side is heavily developed.

We're still fighting against the destruction of 27 acres of ancient woodland and sssi site at Penrhos on Anglesey.

The developers Land & Lakes got planning in 2016 by saying they'd build 50 houses for the construction workers to live in whilst Wilfa nuclear site was recommissioned that would become social housing after but the plans also include a holiday park of over 250 cabins/caravans plus onsite shop, entertainment etc.

The planning decision is going through a judicial review after we raised funding for barristers to fight the case.

[Red-Soldier]

Twelvety houses. HA HA HA HA HA!

But will they be social houses 

[classycarra]

I guess some in here would call you a NIMBY, Debbs 

Or even a blocker 

you didn't answer the question about this situation R-S:

what would you do, in an ideal world, with sites like disused petrol stations (no lizard residents) on Green Land?

(and bear in mind you're obviously not beholden to an electorate or planning laws or YIMBYS/NIMBYS - it's simply what your ideal solution is)

[B0151?]

After decades of non-investment we are in dire need of more housing. We have to prioritise our housing shortfall over the needs of some lizards. Nature will find a way, whereas the government is all the humans have got.

Let's not forget that if this Labour government is not successful with what they want to do and make life better for people in the UK, the environment is at much worse risk under a Tory government who have shown willingness to scrap Climate pledges and in the next election are likely to campaign even more strongly on this, along with Reform who want to rip up all zero emission targets and are climate change denial heavy.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

But will they be social houses 

"Twelvety houses!!"

[reddebs]

I guess some in here would call you a NIMBY, Debbs 

Or even a blocker 

The land wasn't the councils to sell for development, it was gifted to the community by the landowner decades ago but unsurprisingly all the documentation has gone missing and the land registry was never updated.

The council wants tourism but won't fund the infrastructure and this place is set to accommodate 250,000 each year.  The whole island only has 85,000 residents, where the fuck are they going to go if they ever leave the complex?

How the fuck will the A55 cope with all the extra traffic when it can't cope now?

The 3500 jobs they claim it'll create will be lucky if it gets to 350.  It's a load of bollocks project that they still don't have funding for nearly 10yrs after planning was granted!!

[Commie Bobbie]

Much as I was uncomfortable with it, I think the defection of the Dover MP just before the election was critical. Obviously the boats are a big issue in your neck of the woods and I think by that point everyone had seen through Rwanda.

I worry that those seats might be vulnerable to reform next time though.

I do too. Saying that, there is starting to be a more progressive bloc coming together down here so I do hold some hope.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Fancy having a government with a work ethic eh. Whatever next?

It's a radical move!

[Red Beret]

It's a radical move!

A bold strategy.

[west_london_red]

Fancy having a government with a work ethic eh. Whatever next?

Don’t worry the NIMBYs will put an end to that

[west_london_red]

Because the Green Belt is there for a reason and has been getting smaller, and smaller.

The so-called 'Grey Belt', is still Green Belt land.

Brownfield sites are also hotbeds for reptiles and (often) rare insects.

So where are homes supposed to be built?

[Schmidt]

So where are homes supposed to be built?

[filopastry]

So where are homes supposed to be built?

Somewhere else, that is pretty much the answer from someone wherever you propose building

[afc tukrish]

So where are homes supposed to be built?

the technicolor belt...

[Libertine]

The size of this....

[Wullie160975]

They're going to need a bigger HOC

[classycarra]

So where are homes supposed to be built?

good luck on that

since he shared the misinformation earlier when saying Green Belt is shrinking - probably unintentionally, but hard to tell because acting in bad faith is so prevalent on this topic (ce.g. Green Party leader ) - he's not been able to point out where exactly the "sustainable" "affordable" housing with 'the right infrastructure' is exactly.

bit like this https://xcancel.com/robfordmancs/status/1810290065328787577

pleased to see the new government are just as fed up with it - loving the early steps. completely ploughed through the stupidity of some of Planning regulations in a long weekend.

wind farms being allowed onshore is also - contrary to the noisy NIMBYs (who tend to be rich or retired people, who can dedicate a great deal more time and resource to their delaying tactics than those who don't want housing delayed) - a very popular move with the general public. win win

[koptommy93]

Owen jones seems more annoyed by starmer winning than he ever was about the tories, lol.

[classycarra]

Owen jones seems more annoyed by starmer winning than he ever was about the tories, lol.

saw hed been celebrating the runaway success of the Greens getting second place in dozens of places, and claiming that that plus the independent MPs were a great result for his part of the left (not sure I'd want to say I shared politics with some of those independent candidates!).

celebrating his rumps return to irrelevance as a victory and 'winning the argument' - he's exactly where he belongs

[Yorkykopite]

The size of this....

It's odd to think we're looking at the last-ever Labour government.

(Sorry, a moment of despair)

[oldfordie]

There was a video of Owen Jones just before the election trying to surprise Labour politicians with a gotcha. walks up armed with his mike. he looked gutted when they told him no interviews right now Owen, send us a email and we can see what we can do. 
He's become irrelevant.

[Jiminy Cricket]

There was a video of Owen Jones just before the election trying to surprise Labour politicians with a gotcha. walks up armed with his mike. he looked gutted when they told him no interviews right now Owen, send us a email and we can see what we can do. 
He's become irrelevant.

Let me know if you come across a link. I like a bit of Owen Jones being humiliated.

[west_london_red]

good luck on that

since he shared the misinformation earlier when saying Green Belt is shrinking - probably unintentionally, but hard to tell because acting in bad faith is so prevalent on this topic (ce.g. Green Party leader ) - he's not been able to point out where exactly the "sustainable" "affordable" housing with 'the right infrastructure' is exactly.

bit like this https://xcancel.com/robfordmancs/status/1810290065328787577

pleased to see the new government are just as fed up with it - loving the early steps. completely ploughed through the stupidity of some of Planning regulations in a long weekend.

wind farms being allowed onshore is also - contrary to the noisy NIMBYs (who tend to be rich or retired people, who can dedicate a great deal more time and resource to their delaying tactics than those who don't want housing delayed) - a very popular move with the general public. win win

Yeah, the Green and Tories are all over the place on this, from what I have seen ‘the right place’ to date has been long thin strips of land in already densely populated areas where they can put up more blocks of flats. The people who live in the area are either poor, renting or recently arrived in the country so they don’t bother or don’t know how to complain and they just keep cramming in as many people as they can into the area. Ive mentioned my home town and this subject a few times, the council ward I grew up in had a population of 11,000 in the 2001 census, by 2021 it was at 16,000, that’s not far of 50% in 20 years in which time the national population has grown by about 15%. The Greens like to talk about equality, so let’s apply that to house building and let every community do its share of the lifting to end the housing crisis.

[oldfordie]

Let me know if you come across a link. I like a bit of Owen Jones being humiliated.

Ive just checked my twitter history were I most likely watched the video but no sign of it, will post if I come across it again.

[TepidT2O]

Who has not been fucking blocked by Jones? Surely everyone?

[Jiminy Cricket]

Ive just checked my twitter history were I most likely watched the video but no sign of it, will post if I come across it again.

Appreciated, @OF.

[Jiminy Cricket]

Who has not been fucking blocked by Jones? Surely everyone?

You being blocked by everyone is not the same thing as everyone being blocked by Owen Jones.

[TepidT2O]

You being blocked by everyone is not the same thing as everyone being blocked by Owen Jones.

Owen Jones.

Nick Griffin


Andrew Neil


They’re the main 3

(Sure there are 3 or 4 (hundred) other minor ones but they don’t count)

[Jiminy Cricket]

Owen Jones.

Nick Griffin


Andrew Neil


They’re the main 3

(Sure there are 3 or 4 (hundred) other minor ones but they don’t count)

What did you do to wee Owen to upset him so?

[TepidT2O]

What did you do to wee Owen to upset him so?

I think I just mildly disagreed with something I said.

Neil blocked me for telling him he was being absurd and GB news Woukd end up being just like Fox News (I was right)

And griffin blocked me because I posted a gif of where he lived on twitter . Sadly no one did anything

[Jiminy Cricket]

I think I just mildly disagreed with something I said.

Neil blocked me for telling him he was being absurd and GB news Woukd end up being just like Fox News (I was right)

And griffin blocked me because I posted a of where he lived on twitter . Sadly no one did anything

Heh. I like all three of those.

[reddebs]

Here you go:

Apparently, you're rich or retired, too. 

I'm neither but I'm getting used to my age being blamed for most of the worlds woes on here!!

[Shankly998]

The contradiction in this country is people accept that a lot of new housing is desperately needed but obviously not in their backyard. My worry for Labour would be they end up in a worst if both worlds situation where they're not able to make a dent in the housing shortfall due to planning challenges, labour shortages, high material costs so people on one side get disillusioned at them for not building enough. While on the other side you'll have people voting against labour to block the new developments Labour are wanting to build near them.

[JC the Messiah]

Is a Milton Keynes the new SI unit for housing development area?

Is it more than half a Birmingham?

[So… Howard Philips]

Labour launches plan for New Towns Code


https://www.createstreets.com/projects/10358/

Link to short report:

https://www.createstreets.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Becoming-a-nation-of-townbuilders-Create-Streets-smaller.pdf

Well that seems to be a burst of common sense.

The immediate need is for starter homes integral to existing physical infrastructure. The rub comes when considering capacity of schools, GPs surgeries etc.