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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #80 on: April 18, 2021, 03:14:28 pm »
Lose respect in any Liverpool fan who thinks this is a good idea (which counts for a lot I know)

Same here.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #81 on: April 18, 2021, 03:15:02 pm »
I can remember these kind of rumblings since the 90s, it'll be interesting to see why/if this one has legs when the others amounted to nothing.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #82 on: April 18, 2021, 03:15:31 pm »
I'm sure City/PSG caused the other clubs some consternation, but the big draw for the English clubs is financial.  The ability to have more say on league matters (proportional to the money brought in) has probably been a source of frustration.  You look at the rest of the league's attitude towards things like 5 subs or a winter break, and you can see what the response would be if clubs like Liverpool or Manchester United wanted more freedom to sign their own deals to stream some matches, or to have more control over how TV money is distributed, or to have more control in general given the financial implications (like CL qualifying and the money that comes with that).

Don't know if this will lead to anything, but it's no surprise the big clubs are constantly talking about this closed shop where they get to make the rules.  It's money and selfishness unfortunately.  The UK press often likes to pin it on foreign ownership (especially American), but it's not like it doesn't apply to British owners also.  You look at Karren Brady talking about null and void last year (when West Ham were fighting relegation) and Steve Parish talking about not bailing out lower league clubs, and it's the same concept of selfishness as those have serious financial implications.  The rest of the clubs in the league also want control over financial matters, which makes sense from their perspective.  The top clubs see them as benefiting from the top clubs' appeal and success without letting the top clubs have enough say.  The rest of the clubs see the top clubs as selfish and constantly wanting to close doors.

It never had to get to this point, but it's hardly surprising that we're here.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #83 on: April 18, 2021, 03:15:51 pm »
Lose respect in any Liverpool fan who thinks this is a good idea (which counts for a lot I know)

We as a club and fan base aren't even respected on this land mate.  When you have dickhead clubs who are no where near us thinking they can abuse us, nah not having that.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #84 on: April 18, 2021, 03:16:41 pm »
Lose respect in any Liverpool fan who thinks this is a good idea (which counts for a lot I know)
Why? Don't care for that Super League much but fuck UEFA.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #85 on: April 18, 2021, 03:17:01 pm »
Fucking hate the concept of this new super league, but also despise the format changes to the CL, so whatever gives us the most cash, just go with that. Don't care anymore.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #86 on: April 18, 2021, 03:17:20 pm »
If it happens, I want Liverpool to be in it rather than be on the outside looking in. Simple.

Things change. You need to adapt or get left behind. Such is life.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #87 on: April 18, 2021, 03:17:27 pm »
I can remember these kind of rumblings since the 90s, it'll be interesting to see why/if this one has legs when the others amounted to nothing.

You would think the fact that UEFA caved into the FFP fight with City is a pretty big flashpoint. The moment they tamely gave in was an invititation for something like this to materialise. It was a stupid thing to do by UEFA, they failed football in that moment.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #88 on: April 18, 2021, 03:17:51 pm »
possibly a tactic just to get a better deal as it already stands with uefa?
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #89 on: April 18, 2021, 03:18:08 pm »
We as a club and fan base aren't even respected on this land mate.  When you have dickhead clubs who are no where near us thinking they can abuse us, nah not having that.

I don’t get this opinion on, the fans who disrespect us the most will be in the same league bar the bitters.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #90 on: April 18, 2021, 03:18:22 pm »
The worst part of these plans are that we'd still have to play in the corrupt Premier League.

You can't expect these clubs that have lost hundreds of millions in a pandemic to sign up for a CL dominated by oil rich clubs who are able to absorb the losses and UEFA have enabled to take the piss,
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #91 on: April 18, 2021, 03:18:47 pm »
We as a club and fan base aren't even respected on this land mate.  When you have dickhead clubs who are no where near us thinking they can abuse us, nah not having that.
Trading everything football is about for the sake of billion pound clubs making even more money? Because our fans get shit on Twitter? Make it make sense

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #92 on: April 18, 2021, 03:19:47 pm »
We as a club and fan base aren't even respected on this land mate.  When you have dickhead clubs who are no where near us thinking they can abuse us, nah not having that.

Why are you arsed if people who aren’t Liverpool supporters don’t respect us? And why are you using it as justification for this clearly horrible idea? Have a word with yourself.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #93 on: April 18, 2021, 03:19:49 pm »
You would think the fact that UEFA caved into the FFP fight with City is a pretty big flashpoint. The moment they tamely gave in was an invititation for something like this to materialise. It was a stupid thing to do by UEFA, they failed football in that moment.
I don't think that had much to do with it. Clubs want more money and control, it's been like this for decades not matter who's owned the clubs

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #94 on: April 18, 2021, 03:20:22 pm »
The worst part of these plans are that we'd still have to play in the corrupt Premier League.

You can't expect these clubs that have lost hundreds of millions in a pandemic to sign up for a CL dominated by oil rich clubs who are able to absorb the losses and UEFA have enabled to take the piss,

The CL isn’t dominated by the oil rich clubs, it’s dominated by the traditional status quo who have always done so, Liverpool Madrid Bayern.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #95 on: April 18, 2021, 03:20:23 pm »
These threats by FIFA and UEFA about banning players from their competitions is nothing more then a bluff.  They'll figure out a way to get those players into their competitions because it's the best players in the world playing for the clubs who are going to be playing in this new league.  Without those players the competitions will lose countless millions in revenue.

Yep, good luck with sponsors, selling tickets, viewing figures etc if you've banned Van Dijk, Messi, Alisson, De Bruyne etc etc from turning up.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #96 on: April 18, 2021, 03:20:27 pm »
12 Clubs signed up so far

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #97 on: April 18, 2021, 03:20:58 pm »
The only thing I could think of is it'll make anyone else finishing in the Top 4/Top 6 almost impossible, and essentially meaningless if they're not invited to this league even if they do (I don't know if there'll be promotions and relegations from the ESL though)

Oh right, yeah. Still though, the league would still be a heck of a lot more attractive from a financial point of view for those clubs if the best teams were still in it.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #98 on: April 18, 2021, 03:21:13 pm »
12 Clubs signed up so far
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #99 on: April 18, 2021, 03:21:55 pm »
I don't think that had much to do with it. Clubs want more money and control, it's been like this for decades not matter who's owned the clubs

Not saying money and control isn't part of it as well, but UEFA hugely annoyed a lot of clubs on the back of that, then the suspenion of FFP on top of that was just another justification for those clubs.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #100 on: April 18, 2021, 03:22:00 pm »
Grim idea fuelled by money as usual.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #101 on: April 18, 2021, 03:22:19 pm »
Trading everything football is about for the sake of billion pound clubs making even more money? Because our fans get shit on Twitter? Make it make sense

Lol this ain't just social media that has just amplified everything. We're respected more out in Europe than in these isles.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #102 on: April 18, 2021, 03:22:36 pm »
Congrats on winning the 2022 Champions League Bayern/PSG.

And congrats on us not being able to say 6 times anymore, it’s actually City and PSG fans who will have the most to jubilate about, the games basically on reset.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #103 on: April 18, 2021, 03:23:12 pm »
Not saying money and control isn't part of it as well, but UEFA hugely annoyed a lot of clubs on the back of that, then the suspenion of FFP on top of that was just another justification for those clubs.
They've been pushing this forever and invited City because they bring money. It's a crap justification if they want to use that

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #104 on: April 18, 2021, 03:23:19 pm »
Said in the other thread I think it’s just a bluff since the CL vote is tomorrow that they all negotiated for and agreed to.  The BuLi teams will never join since they would need their fans to vote for it.  Pretty sure both Barca and Madrid are the same where the socios need to vote for it as well.  Then there’s the small problem that they’d be fucking over the teams in their league that they supposedly will still play in.  Yeah, sure....

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #105 on: April 18, 2021, 03:23:43 pm »
City have signed up, PSG eventually will. It's the 2 big German clubs that need persuading.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #106 on: April 18, 2021, 03:24:07 pm »
Grim idea fuelled by money as usual.

And supported by far too many Reds for my liking.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #107 on: April 18, 2021, 03:24:32 pm »
And congrats on us not being able to say 6 times anymore, it’s actually City and PSG fans who will have the most to jubilate about, the games basically on reset.
Well did we win #1 or #19 last season?

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #108 on: April 18, 2021, 03:27:20 pm »
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #109 on: April 18, 2021, 03:27:44 pm »
Aren’t the owners/guys at top of PSG and Bayern really close to UEFA? Think they’ll see how this plays before jumping ship.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #110 on: April 18, 2021, 03:29:19 pm »
City and PSG are invited.

I wish other clubs (and their fans) would actually take a stand against teams owned by human rights abusers purely to sportswash, that I’d be fully on board with. The fact they all, Liverpool included, are absolutely fine with it, annoys me more than anything in football these days.

Otherwise, all this shite wiht different CL formats and super leagues, absolute shit show all of it. So much wrong with football at the top level as it is, so yeah, lets add more to the pile of nonsense.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #111 on: April 18, 2021, 03:30:51 pm »
Well did we win #1 or #19 last season?

We won the CL 6 times, no one could take it. If the Super League will start and the reported teams would take part of it, the CL is finished and the Super League is the new top continental competition.

The premier league is continuation of the old first division, the Cl is a continuation of the old European league, the new super league isn’t the same, it’s nepotism bullshit where the founding clubs have permanent entry to regardless of performance.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #112 on: April 18, 2021, 03:31:41 pm »
Looks like either way football will be changing for the worse over the next few years. It's already a shadow of what it once was, with UEFA letting Manchester City undermine them and FFP and VAR sucking the life out of the game.

The people in charge and the people with money are destroying the game. It's such a shame.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #113 on: April 18, 2021, 03:32:49 pm »
Lol this ain't just social media that has just amplified everything. We're respected more out in Europe than in these isles.
Well one we don't play them often enough for any type of animosity to start, two we wouldn't even be aware if they did hate us. Three our fans have been physically attacked by other European fans in very recent memory

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #114 on: April 18, 2021, 03:35:29 pm »
Well one we don't play them often enough for any type of animosity to start, two we wouldn't even be aware if they did hate us. Three our fans have been physically attacked by other European fans in very recent memory
4) The clubs whose fanbases despise and disrespect us will be in the same super league with us minus Everton.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #115 on: April 18, 2021, 03:35:31 pm »
Grim idea fuelled by money as usual.

It's shite.
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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #116 on: April 18, 2021, 03:41:46 pm »
90% of me is disgusted in this, 10% of me is sound, fuck the FA, Uefa, and every other premier League team, we owe them fuck all

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #117 on: April 18, 2021, 03:43:26 pm »
90% of me is disgusted in this, 10% of me is sound, fuck the FA, Uefa, and every other premier League team, we owe them fuck all

we’d still be playing in the league though.

the whole thing is a shit show, driven by greed as usual.

Football is eating itself at the highest level in Europe. 

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #118 on: April 18, 2021, 03:44:12 pm »
4) The clubs whose fanbases despise and disrespect us will be in the same super league with us minus Everton.
Exactly

It's not even particularly true that everyone hates us anyway. There's a lot of people that do, but only in the same way that there's a lot of people that hate United. And that's because all around the country we're maybe only behind United in being people's first or second club. It's quite ridiculous to make out we're this hated entity while being one of the most popular teams in the country and the world... I would prefer to be hated than be irrelevant, than be an Everton

I mean fuck, we could easily be the Everton of this new competition. Our owners wouldn't give a flying fuck. Laughing their arses to the bank while the integrity of European and domestic football goes to hell.

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Re: Breakaway Super League... The Times
« Reply #119 on: April 18, 2021, 03:45:51 pm »
Reduced number of games a season, bigger cut of the money generated......more cost for the aways granted, but it will even itself out with effectively no European cup competition, so whats not to like?.............
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