Topic: Taking back control and getting Brexit done.

[west_london_red]

13 million people who didn't care enough about their future to go and vote. Has there ever been any analysis what the Remain/Leave ratio was in that group?

My 2p worth is that it was complacent Remainers who thought Remain would easily win rather then Leavers as they seemed more motivated - I guess you always would be when you are voting to change something rather then the status quo.

[Alan_X]

Well we have 11 months and its in everyone's interest so a deal will be done. A deal to suit all parties. We're all major trading partners and democratic countries. Any issues will get worked out. I trust the civil service to get this done.

We are no longer a major trading partner. The EU is a massive trading bloc and the UK is now a 'third country' run by idiots who are looking to do more trade with geographically distant countries.

You obviously don't have a great understanding of how deals are done. They don't all sit down and say "ok, what's the best for you on the other side of the table?..." It is dog-eat-dog and the biggest dog gets the best deal. And countries will look after their own interests before making life easier for a country that has shot itself in the foot and created havoc for the last few years.

Only an idiot would go into a negotiation with a weaker bargaining position (no longer being part of a 28 country trading bloc) and expect to get a better deal.

Oh, and just a reminder that Cummings is looking to disrupt and fuck up the Civil Service.

[oldfordie]

We are no longer a major trading partner. The EU is a massive trading bloc and the UK is now a 'third country' run by idiots who are looking to do more trade with geographically distant countries.

You obviously don't have a great understanding of how deals are done. They don't all sit down and say "ok, what's the best for you on the other side of the table?..." It is dog-eat-dog and the biggest dog gets the best deal. And countries will look after their own interests before making life easier for a country that has shot itself in the foot and created havoc for the last few years.

Only an idiot would go into a negotiation with a weaker bargaining position (no longer being part of a 28 country trading bloc) and expect to get a better deal.

Oh, and just a reminder that Cummings is looking to disrupt and fuck up the Civil Service.

Lets wait and see they say, nobody knows what will happen. well most countries are refusing to roll over the deal we have now as members of the EU, do people really expect us to get better deals when we can't even keep the ones we have now.

[Red-Soldier]

Well we have 11 months and its in everyone's interest so a deal will be done. A deal to suit all parties. We're all major trading partners and democratic countries. Any issues will get worked out. I trust the civil service to get this done.

You sound like a Johnson mouth piece.

You clearly don't have a great understanding of reality.

We haven't negotiated a trade deal in over 40 years!

The major economies of the world are the EU, US and China, we are now a much smaller country who will struggle to get deals with favourable terms.

[TSC]

Given circa half the country did not vote for Brexit it may have been expected the ‘exit’ today would be relatively low key.  But probably not, wouldn’t be surprised to see gloating aplenty later from London. Already underway no doubt with Frottage et al.

[killer-heels]

It makes me laugh how idiots still mention the “....everybody's interest” line.

It was in everybodys interest that we stayed in the EU. Ultimately its in the EU’s interest that we do terribly outside that bloc.

[ToneLa]

Tea tonight of Yorkshire pudding, Cumberland sausages and a cup of beans with HP Sauce for me!

And I will enjoy it all over a sparkling glass of red English wine.

"Mmmmmm, English wine," said... nobody ever 

[jason67]

Has to search around for that:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/29/european-parliament-ratifies-brexit-deal-paves-way-britain-leave/

The national humiliation is in being represented by gobshites like Frottage. The fucking state of them all.

How embarrassing is that, even if you are a pro leave you've got to think that they are a bunch of c&nts?

[TSC]

Announced yesterday apparently ‘duty free’ will apply from Rep of Ireland to GB, but won’t apply from Rep of Ireland to Northern Ireland.

[killer-heels]

What I want to know is does this mean the end of the awful Brexitcast?

[Dr. Beaker]

What I want to know is does this mean the end of the awful Brexitcast?

I've never got more than thirty seconds into one of those cringeworthy fuckers.

[killer-heels]

I've never got more than thirty seconds into one of those cringeworthy fuckers.

Katya Adler is ok but the other 3 are absolutely fucking awful. One thing good about Boris getting a majority as well is that hopefully we see less of Laura Kuensberg.

[.adam]

Well we have 11 months and its in everyone's interest so a deal will be done. A deal to suit all parties. We're all major trading partners and democratic countries. Any issues will get worked out. I trust the civil service to get this done.

11 months is absolutely fuck all time for any agreement to go through the process of modern diplomacy. Let alone one as wide-ranging as the future relationship will need to be on factors such as; tax systems, fishing policies, regional security, visas and air traffic rights.

I am a chartered tax advisor and can tell you that the process to abolish the 'tampon tax' across the EU started in March 2016 and will come into effect from Jan 2022. Any suggestion that 'a deal can be done' on all these topics in 11 months is absolute folly.

[OneTouchFooty]

It's a total fantasy any significant trade deal happens by December if you understand the timescales of these things.

It'll end up being capitulation sold as victory when these deals start being announced a few years down the line. Expect lots of talk of simple verbal "agreements" being passed off as an actual trade deal too.

Brexit will end up being a momental and mendacious bait and switch exercise.

[So… Howard Philips]

Tea tonight of Yorkshire pudding, Cumberland sausages and a cup of beans with HP Sauce for me!

And I will enjoy it all over a sparkling glass of red English wine.

"Mmmmmm, English wine," said... nobody ever 

There are some decent English white wines and sparkling wines.

I've noticed that Downing Street is having English sparkling wine and Shropshire Blue tonight. Don't see why that should be a big thing. The British Givernment should always promote British food. I'm looking forward to them selling of the huge stocks of vintage French wine they have and donate the proceeds to food banks.

[Andy @ Allerton!]

11 months is absolutely fuck all time for any agreement to go through the process of modern diplomacy. Let alone one as wide-ranging as the future relationship will need to be on factors such as; tax systems, fishing policies, regional security, visas and air traffic rights.

I am a chartered tax advisor and can tell you that the process to abolish the 'tampon tax' across the EU started in March 2016 and will come into effect from Jan 2022. Any suggestion that 'a deal can be done' on all these topics in 11 months is absolute folly.

A programme I saw a few months back had a trade expert on. He said the absolute minimum just to get the framework and basics into place would realistically take 24 months.

The UK is going for a no-deal Brexit. I think the EU know that so will continue their preparations.

[Zeb]

Bit preaching to the choir, but Robert Saunders (historian of all things constitutional, including EU membership) has a good post on his blog on why we joined in the first place and the questions re-opened by leaving. Obviously applies to the more practical disruptions and longer term consequences which have been mentioned.

For the big strategic questions have not gone away. What is Britain’s economic future, as a medium-sized economy in a world dominated by China and the United States? What is Britain’s diplomatic role, in a world without an empire? How can Britain maximise its sovereignty over its internal decision-making – which is not an unworthy ambition – in a world in which trade rules are set internationally, in which companies like Google and Facebook have larger GDPs than many countries, and in which issues like climate change render national borders irrelevant?

Europe may have been the wrong answer to those questions – though that is not my own view – but Brexit means we are going to have to find new answers, under perhaps less favourable conditions. If we pretend those dilemmas do not exist, or if we simply go back to old answers because we have forgotten why they were rejected in the first place, disaster lies ahead. Brexit requires a fundamental recasting of Britain’s national strategy. Achieving that will require more imagination, more humility and a more clear-eyed appreciation of the options than anyone has yet offered in Britain’s tortured Brexit debate.

[bornandbRED]

Even with EU funding, the UK is an absolute pit outside of central London in comparison to many Dutch & German cities. Fuck knows what the likes of already very grey Birmingham & Manchester will look like in 20 years.

[Mutton Geoff]

Just posted this in the politics thread: Maybe it should have gone in here:
As 'Madness' might say this will be " One Step Beyond" for the nation. 

With a man leading this country with zero morals, a serial liar, a man described as the laziest Foreign minister in recent history, a man linked to corruption on so many fronts, an elitist prig and bully who thinks nothing of making racist comments and the actions that follow from his words.

So looking at that everything will be 'peachy' what could possibly go wrong?

At least the Bananas will be as bent as him and his party now.

Just to add Javed has already made more Uturns on future trade and finance criteria than a lost blind man doing Uturns on Spaghetti Junction.

[Slick_Beef]

Fucking hell, so depressing. 

Saw this quote from Boris earlier -
"This is the dawn of a new era in which we no longer accept that your life chances – your family’s life chances – should depend on which part of the country you grow up in."

As if that were the EU's fault ?

I don't even live there anymore and have already gotten another passport but this makes me so sad.  I'm going to ignore the news this weekend and drown my sorrows nice bottle of portuguese wine and some french cheese.

[scouseman]

What I want to know is does this mean the end of the awful Brexitcast?

yes the last episode was last night after question time

[rob1966]

A programme I saw a few months back had a trade expert on. He said the absolute minimum just to get the framework and basics into place would realistically take 24 months.

The UK is going for a no-deal Brexit. I think the EU know that so will continue their preparations.

I keep saying it, but with Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson backer Crispin Odey having £299 million in bets on that scenario, then that is what will happen. Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson prorogued parliament on his advice.

[TSC]

Even with EU funding, the UK is an absolute pit outside of central London in comparison to many Dutch & German cities. Fuck knows what the likes of already very grey Birmingham & Manchester will look like in 20 years.

Ironically of course those cities that appear to be in better shape (visually at least) compared to what they were in 70s/80s and early 90s (I include Liverpool in that) have improved generally due to EU funding.  Fat chance Tory governments would have funded widespread regeneration outside the EU. 

Still, taking back control and a return to managed decline or something.

[rob1966]

Even with EU funding, the UK is an absolute pit outside of central London in comparison to many Dutch & German cities. Fuck knows what the likes of already very grey Birmingham & Manchester will look like in 20 years.

I live in Trafford and everywhere looks like shit already, potholes everywhere, the drains are blocked so everywhere floods, leaves aren't swept up so there are piles of rotted crap everywhere, fuck knows what it will be like in 5 years at this rate.

[12C]

What? We have excellent relations with Ireland and Northern Ireland. There will be a system in place within 11 months to satisfy all parties.

Mmm. Took 600 years to sort out a peaceful relationship with the English. Can’t see the Irish being so accommodating this time around.

Let’s face it. It was a public school Tory clusterfuck of an idea, and it was sold to the country as a means of “sending them back”.
It has set this country back many years.

All the lies can’t disguise the fact that we are about to be bent over and fucked at the negotiation of trade deals. And the rich pricks who made fortunes on the markets won’t be the ones to suffer.
Already we have been told that Austerity is now normality.
10 more years of austerity plus  no EU funding, because the £bus money is earmarked for tax cuts for the rich.
and Anne Widdecome will be delighted

[Red-Soldier]

Fucking hell, so depressing. 

Saw this quote from Boris earlier -
"This is the dawn of a new era in which we no longer accept that your life chances – your family’s life chances – should depend on which part of the country you grow up in."

As if that were the EU's fault ?

I don't even live their anymore and have already gotten another passport but this makes me so sad.  I'm going to ignore the news this weekend and drown my sorrows nice bottle of portuguese wine and some french cheese.

Says the guy who went to Eton.

[killer-heels]

yes the last episode was last night after question time

Brilliant news. Good riddance.

[west_london_red]

Fucking hell, so depressing. 

Saw this quote from Boris earlier -
"This is the dawn of a new era in which we no longer accept that your life chances – your family’s life chances – should depend on which part of the country you grow up in."

As if that were the EU's fault ?

I don't even live their anymore and have already gotten another passport but this makes me so sad.  I'm going to ignore the news this weekend and drown my sorrows nice bottle of portuguese wine and some french cheese.

And when your life is still shit after leaving the EU who are you going to pin the blame on then?

[killer-heels]

The media will be gutted. They love Brexit, its brought in the viewing figures. It will be hilarious how they try to big up and get the public interested in trade talks. They will fail of course because from this point most people wont give a shit.

[lobsterboy]

Its a fucking dark horrible day.
The numpties, the racists and the tax evaders won and this country is going down the shitter.
Someone should nail Frottage by his bollocks to nelsons column.

[Fruity]

And when your life is still shit after leaving the EU who are you going to pin the blame on then?

what's left of the migrants that are still here.

Though in reality I think what will happen is the same level of migrants will come to work here but it will probably be larger numbers from outside of Europe once the government realises there is no one to fill jobs in Costa, McNasty's, Greggs etc.

[Fruity]

Its a fucking dark horrible day.
The numpties, the racists and the tax evaders won and this country is going down the shitter.
Someone should nail Frottage by his bollocks to nelsons column.

There was a picture of Frottage in the Metro. Auctioning a portrait of himself (for charity supposedly). Standing next to him was Jim Davidson, like they were best buddies. Says it all.

Reality is there are way too many people in this country who want to be told what to do by the upper classes and believe that they will do what's best for them. If there was a vote tomorrow for this country to be ruled by a king/Queen from now on, i bet it would be a close vote and most of the idiots would probably think it's not a bad idea. Unless of course it was Meghan.

For the most part it is uneducated people quoting 3 word slogans as that is all they are capable of remembering. Keep people stupid and you can rule them forever

[Slick_Beef]

And when your life is still shit after leaving the EU who are you going to pin the blame on then?

Poor people* and immigrants, the timeless classic!

*Other poor people.  They'll probably sort some reruns of benefit street to keep everyone focused.

[Yorkykopite]

Tomorrow is the time for maturity. Tonight is the time for celebration.

So in the spirit of celebration I hope all those who voted for Brexit lose their jobs and that those Brexiteers already without jobs are forced into the fields to pick fruit and potatoes.

[andy07]

Tomorrow is the time for maturity. Tonight is the time for celebration.

So in the spirit of celebration I hope all those who voted for Brexit lose their jobs and that those Brexiteers already without jobs are forced into the fields to pick fruit and potatoes.

Let the dogs have their day.  This is their moment in the spotlight.  All downhill for them from now on.

[Alan_X]

Had to turn the news off. Every brexiteer interviewed came across as a stupid, deluded c*nt spouting the same old meaningless sound bites.

[jillcwhomever]

Been without the telly for four days now, can't say I'm missing it at the moment.

[oldfordie]

Tomorrow is the time for maturity. Tonight is the time for celebration.

So in the spirit of celebration I hope all those who voted for Brexit lose their jobs and that those Brexiteers already without jobs are forced into the fields to pick fruit and potatoes.

The supermarkets are free to get rid of quality control on vegetables now we've left. one old woman tonight says the EU have no right to tell us what shape vegetables should be.

[jillcwhomever]

The supermarkets are free to get rid of quality control on vegetables now we've left. one old woman tonight says the EU have no right to tell us what shape vegetables should be.

Maybe they think they will get straight bananas now. 

[So… Howard Philips]

And when your life is still shit after leaving the EU who are you going to pin the blame on then?

Benefit claimants?