Topic: General Manchester City thread

[SerbianScouser]

He was quietly decent this season and he fills a home-grown quota spot.

Which is why they never challenged for the league since he joined them. They need people to dominate in this league not to be quietly decent. Due to that quota both him and Stones will be their bench options instead of being sold.

[JackWard33]

Good player ... not better than what they already have though. Slightly odd move for them - guess they don't care money wise

[OsirisMVZ]

Good player ... not better than what they already have though. Slightly odd move for them - guess they don't care money wise

Long term replacement for Daveed.

[Gerry Attrick]

I don't see how Bernardo is a long-term replacement for David, at least not while Guardiola is there. Guardiola played Silva as more of a CM last season and I don't think that position would suit Bernardo Silva that much, Bernardo is more of a winger that likes to dribble with the ball whereas David is really just an out and out playmaker now. Who knows where Guardiola will play Bernardo Silva though, probably at CB.

[OsirisMVZ]

He controlled the Etihad game from the inside right. We're seeing a lot of wide playmakers in the game lately. He will compose the offensive play for City, that's all I'm saying!

[Kopenhagen]

Damn, didn't see that coming. Good signing; he's class. They've got quite an assembly of creative attacking talent at the minute.

[ElCapo]

Re-Bernardo Silva, he is my type of player. Love attacking mids with good technique.

Txiki has been upping his game as of recent. From spending 50m on Mangala and 30m on Bony to signing Gundogan, Bernardo Silva and Gabriel Jesus for very reasonable price. Great pieces of business. Looking at the asking price for Mbappe, there is no way that Gabriel Jesus' market price is less than 100m in today's market. Pep's pulling power and much criticized Txiki have to be praised here.

KDB was 74m Euros.  2 years ago that wasn't cheap.  In fact City blew Bayern out of the water on that transfer. 

Sterling was 62.5m Euros.  Otamendi was 45m.  Stones was another 55m Euros.  Don't forget Nolito, Claudio Bravo etc who were bad transfers.   Yes, G Jesus looks like decent value at merely 32 million, but City have had a bunch of horrible signings.  Plus we don't even know what kind of wages City are offering. 

[ElCapo]

You probably don't care only if you look up the match results online once a week. But if you and watch, I bet you care. Even if you watch on TV.

The fact that ManU fans care is evident from the sacking of Aloysius Paulus Maria "Louis" van Gaal. Also, there have been lots of threads on redcafe criticizing Mourinho for the style of football. I am saying, the calls for sacking aren't louder only because of the smaller trophies (which Mourinho disrespected and called non-achievement himself earlier in his career). They all perfectly understand it that it is a gimmick, an excuse to be patient. There is no way they are happy or think their season or current situation is any better than ManCity's.

Another fact is, a lot of ManU fans tried to avoid being all too critical of Mourinho for one major reason. A lot of times, in those discussions, the question is "if not Mourinho, who do we hire next?" There is no clear answer to that, so they are afraid of situation getting even worse. I am sure if they believed that a top tier manager is available, more than half of them won't make a fuss if Mourinho is kicked out.

Can't agree with this eeither.  There's no way Pep's first season in England can be viewed other than a failure.  He himself declared a few weeks ago that he would have been fired at a big club like Barcelona or Bayern!   He didn't compete in the league or any of the cups, he was miles away from the title and miles from the elite teams in Europe.  In the cups he got knocked out by Wenger ffs - the worst Arsenal of the last 20 years!

Mourinho was a failure as far as quality of football goes, but he did manage to win Europa league and the league cup.  Style was super negative though United have been playing boring football since 2012 (that includes Ferguson's last couple of seasons, Moyes, Giggs and of course vanGaal). 

I think Conte has been the best in England, followed by Pocchetino and Klopp.  Then Mourinho followed by Pep and Wenger.

[Xxavi]

^I agree that Pep's first season is a failure.

Disagree with other points. Absolutely no way Europa League saves Mourinho's season being anything other than a failure. I'd want to poke my eyes out if I were a ManU fan. They are really crap, and 1-2 small trophies do not change that.

The devil in the detail, the fact is, in England, nobody really had a "superb" season save for Conte. Conte and Klopp didn't have European football this season. Liverpool's season is a bit meh for me overall, if I am honest. So for me, Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola and Wenger are all in the same boat pretty much. If I am honest, I am not all too impressed by Pochettino either. Spurs are decent, but I am still not convinced about them. Would I be surprised if they finished 6th next season? No.

[Lycan]

Bernardo Silva. Mendy and Fabinho soon to follow. City aren't pissing about are they.

[Gerry Attrick]

Fabinho is an obvious signing for them. A full-back that can play in midfield, we know Guardiola likes one of those

[Yiannis]

Had Bernardo Siva's name been linked to City prior to yesterday?

Bernardo Silva. Mendy and Fabinho soon to follow. City aren't pissing about are they.

Exactly my point. No pointless or prolonged briefing to journos, just getting things done outright.

Silva seemed a cracking little player at Monaco but 1)he's not a guaranteed success 2) not that sure he will oust Sterling . He plays on the wing but I reckon Guardiola wants him in the midfield playmaking position.

[Studgotelli]

So looks like Sterling out of the team...

[Barefoot Doctor]

That Zabaleta video had me in bits - fucking hell!

Anyway, Manchester Evening News says Guardiola has been given Ł300m to spend. In addition to Bernardo Silva they want Mendy and Walker for the full back spots, Bonucci or Van Dijk in central defence, Fabinho or William Carvalho for midfield and Alexis Sanchez as another attacking option. Plus a goalie to compete with Bravo

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sanchez-arsenal-transfer-list-guardiola-13101151

[RedSince86]

Ł43 million hahaha.

I know they have been fiddling with turnover accounts when they created another company house to divert a chunk of the players wages to to get past FFP,but paying Ł43 million for him makes me wonder how they managed that.

[PeterTheRed ...]

Had Bernardo Siva's name been linked to City prior to yesterday?
 
Exactly my point. No pointless or prolonged briefing to journos, just getting things done outright.

Well, it is much easier when you buy a player directly from the agent, and not from a club. Personally, I want LFC as far as possible from Jorge Mendes.

[Yiannis]

Well, it is much easier when you buy a player directly from the agent, and not from a club. Personally, I want LFC as far as possible from Jorge Mendes.

Didn't know Mendes owned him. Yeah, I think LFC do stay away from him. Have we ever bought from him? Don't think so.

[clinical]

Ł43 million hahaha.

I know they have been fiddling with turnover accounts when they created another company house to divert a chunk of the players wages to to get past FFP,but paying Ł43 million for him makes me wonder how they managed that.

Have to agree. Monaco want over Ł120m for mbappe. No way on earth they sell their second best player for Ł43m. Just not having it.

[clinical]

That Zabaleta video had me in bits - fucking hell!

Anyway, Manchester Evening News says Guardiola has been given Ł300m to spend. In addition to Bernardo Silva they want Mendy and Walker for the full back spots, Bonucci or Van Dijk in central defence, Fabinho or William Carvalho for midfield and Alexis Sanchez as another attacking option. Plus a goalie to compete with Bravo

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sanchez-arsenal-transfer-list-guardiola-13101151

If he doesn't win the league with that. He should never manage a football club again.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

That Zabaleta video had me in bits - fucking hell!

Anyway, Manchester Evening News says Guardiola has been given Ł300m to spend. In addition to Bernardo Silva they want Mendy and Walker for the full back spots, Bonucci or Van Dijk in central defence, Fabinho or William Carvalho for midfield and Alexis Sanchez as another attacking option. Plus a goalie to compete with Bravo

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/sanchez-arsenal-transfer-list-guardiola-13101151

why would bonucci want to leave juve, cash aside?

[PeterTheRed ...]

Have to agree. Monaco want over Ł120m for mbappe. No way on earth they sell their second best player for Ł43m. Just not having it.

The magic words are "percentage from future sale" and "image rights". That is how the super agents are bypassing the third party ownership regulation. And that is why Mino Raiola has got Ł41 million from the Pogba transfer to Man Utd.

[ElCapo]

why would bonucci want to leave juve, cash aside?

If Juve win the CL, think might be time for both club and player to cash out.  What else is he going to do in Italy, win another Serie A?

[ElCapo]

The magic words are "percentage from future sale" and "image rights". That is how the super agents are bypassing the third party ownership regulation. And that is why Mino Raiola has got Ł41 million from the Pogba transfer to Man Utd.

Football is in a bubble.  If there was a way to trading it, I'd short it big time

[rafathegaffa83]

That Zabaleta video had me in bits - fucking hell!

That kid at the end

[Lush is the best medicine...]

If Juve win the CL, think might be time for both club and player to cash out.  What else is he going to do in Italy, win another Serie A?

fair point I guess, then again his son is a Torino fan so maybe he can move and get his lad to support the same team

[Dim Glas]

Bernardo Silva. Mendy and Fabinho soon to follow. City aren't pissing about are they.

they don't need to, they just pay whatever the fee is and whatever the players agents demand for wages. 

[Dim Glas]

^I agree that Pep's first season is a failure.

Disagree with other points. Absolutely no way Europa League saves Mourinho's season being anything other than a failure. I'd want to poke my eyes out if I were a ManU fan. They are really crap, and 1-2 small trophies do not change that.

The devil in the detail, the fact is, in England, nobody really had a "superb" season save for Conte. Conte and Klopp didn't have European football this season. Liverpool's season is a bit meh for me overall, if I am honest. So for me, Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola and Wenger are all in the same boat pretty much. If I am honest, I am not all too impressed by Pochettino either. Spurs are decent, but I am still not convinced about them. Would I be surprised if they finished 6th next season? No.

1-2 small trophies, wow that's arrogant. Whereas Man Utd where very lucky to get an easy ride in the Europa, its not a small trophy. Sad when fans proclaim it as such.

Lumping Guardiola and Mourninho in with managers who don't have unlimited budgets isn't really showing the whole picture either. There is no way around it, Guardiola had a really poor first season. Mourinho despite the rotten football, won a major trophy, and Pochettino and Klopp punched above their weight.

Pressure is on to deliver next season for him for sure. And he will, cos they'll spend a ridiculous amount on buying elite talent for the positions they feel they are lacking in.

[Steady Eddie]

^I agree that Pep's first season is a failure.

Disagree with other points. Absolutely no way Europa League saves Mourinho's season being anything other than a failure. I'd want to poke my eyes out if I were a ManU fan. They are really crap, and 1-2 small trophies do not change that.

The devil in the detail, the fact is, in England, nobody really had a "superb" season save for Conte. Conte and Klopp didn't have European football this season. Liverpool's season is a bit meh for me overall, if I am honest. So for me, Mourinho, Klopp, Guardiola and Wenger are all in the same boat pretty much. If I am honest, I am not all too impressed by Pochettino either. Spurs are decent, but I am still not convinced about them. Would I be surprised if they finished 6th next season? No.

How did your two horse race end you arrogant wanker? Oh that's right not even the greatest thing since Jesus Christ could win you any trophies....can't wait until the TV money gets shared about fairly in la liga....so you can get off your high horse. Bellend.

[El Lobo]

The mega-rich clubs doing massive deals between each other again. What odds on one of PSG/Monaco/Chelsea spending mega bucks on a Man City outcast?

[Something Worse]

1-2 small trophies, wow that's arrogant. Whereas Man Utd where very lucky to get an easy ride in the Europa, its not a small trophy. Sad when fans proclaim it as such.

Lumping Guardiola and Mourninho in with managers who don't have unlimited budgets isn't really showing the whole picture either. There is no way around it, Guardiola had a really poor first season. Mourinho despite the rotten football, won a major trophy, and Pochettino and Klopp punched above their weight.

Pressure is on to deliver next season for him for sure. And he will, cos they'll spend a ridiculous amount on buying elite talent for the positions they feel they are lacking in.

Not that I wouldn't want to win the Europa League, but there's a bigger version of it (Champions League) so "small" isn't necessarily wrong.

[Dim Glas]

Not that I wouldn't want to win the Europa League, but there's a bigger version of it (Champions League) so "small" isn't necessarily wrong.

its just arrogant though, I hate the belittling of some competitions, usually by fans of the super clubs.

It's not a small trophy, it's probably the 3rd biggest, 3rd only to a league title and the CL.  The league cup, granted, that's a small trophy, but obiouly still worth winning.

[Fiasco]

How did your two horse race end you arrogant wanker? Oh that's right not even the greatest thing since Jesus Christ could win you any trophies....can't wait until the TV money gets shared about fairly in la liga....so you can get off your high horse. Bellend.

Come on, there is no need for that.

[gregorio]

Bernardo Silva. Mendy and Fabinho soon to follow. City aren't pissing about are they.

 No , the financial doping is in full flow again

[Red-Soldier]

No , the financial doping is in full flow again

That's a big reason why I'm not as passionate about the game as I once was.

Football is somewhat of a farce nowadays.

[Samie]

Come on, there is no need for that.

Actually there is. XXavi tends to look down on everything  that doesn't shine out of Barca's or Pep's arse.

[Steady Eddie]

Come on, there is no need for that.

You're probably right, so I apologise....but reading his incessant 'art thou houlier than thou' bollocks over the past decade (ish) gets tiresome....he joined the board in a purple patch of his teams history and patronises anyone and everyone using that as a barometer of football, Paisley's Liverpool would have wiped their arse with the best they've ever had...

[Dim Glas]

That's a big reason why I'm not as passionate about the game as I once was.

Football is somewhat of a farce nowadays.

yeah I'm the same. And its one reason why I enjoy another league far more than the premier league these days.  Premier leagues gets more souless by the season.

[thelinnen]

Who gives a fuck? Hardly struggling for good creative AM types are they?

Makes Coutinho worth a shitload more as well, Christ knows what he'll be worth in a few years when this guy and Pogback are going for the fees they have.

Yup, we have other positions to focus on. If they sign Van Dijk then we can get pissed off 

[thelinnen]

Maybe we can get Sterling back off them?

Nah you're alright.

[Steady Eddie]

Nah you're alright.

Pretty much, not been tearing up many trees worth 50m...