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I had no idea what I was going to write about. I've been so busy lately that I had more or less forgotten that I volunteered to write a match preview. Then I remembered reading an introduction to a chapter on postmodernism whilst taking a course in Cultural Studies. In it, the author was really unsure how to start and was unable to find a decent entry point, so he called a friend to talk about his problem. His friend of course said: this is what you should talk about, that you're not sure what to write. What's more postmodern than the hesitating author riddled with postcolonial guilt, the academic questioning their own authority.

Well, the turnover for advice would take too long for the friends that I have that are fellow reds. So in order to stop meta-levels I started to watch the Maribor game. Maribor by the way, probably the saddest town I ever visited. Given it was on a Sunday for only a few hours, but it was pretty much what Morrissey had in mind for that song where it's silent and gray. The first twenty minutes was loud and colourful however, just like we've known that it can be, like we've known that we can be, even though it's been easy to hesitate. That feeling that there's a team any game now that we will just maul over. 7-0. In the Champions League.

Salah looking like the unstoppable force, Can the immovable object. Milner, goddammit, he played with both more enthusiasm and determination than ever, and that says quite a lot knowing what kind of a player he is, and that he's been sitting on the bench for all of the season so far. Coutinho was dancing. Firmino was at the right place at the right time, all the time. Alexander-Arnold just turned 19 and continues to score amazing goals in the Champions League, as a right back. Oxlade-Chamberlain scored his first goal for the club and Karius got a confidence boosting clean sheet.

The counter pressing was so good that Klopp felt like cheering on that more than the goals. "The only problem recently was how to explain why we didn't win. That has been the most difficult thing about our recent games. When you don't score it is a challenge to stay confident but we will try to use this result now. The next game is Tottenham so it's pretty likely it will not be a similar result. We have five days to recover and prepare and we are looking forward to it."

As sweet as it was, recording the biggest away win by an English team in the history of the European Cup, Maribor is no Tottenham. In fact, Maribor is no Ljubljana either, both in terms of the beauty of the cities, and for the fact that the latter is at the top of the Slovenian league. But it's certainly no Tottenham.

I wanted to shoehorn in everyone's favourite provocateur Slavoj Zizek here, a Ljubljana native, but he hasn't really talked about football. Cultural critics who have though, are Noam Chomsky and Theodor Adorno. Adorno says that "football wastes qualities which could prove valuable in a political situation" and "the act of repetition schools obedience". In the same vein, Chomsky says that the purpose of football "is to get them away, get them away from things that matter. For that it's important to reduce their capacity to think. It's striking to see the amount of intelligence used by ordinary people on sport (...) people have the most exotic information". The people should instead be doing something worthwhile. Football is a representation of society’s cultural decay and so on and so on. For any Marxist ideologue, football is religion, the opium of the people.

Football is escapism. That's why it's so sad when you lose.

Luckily for us we're going into the weekend with a 7-0 away win in the Champions League, and we play Tottenham at Wembley where they've only been able to win in one out of four this season.




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« Last Edit: October 18, 2017, 01:03:31 pm by telekon »
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2017, 10:58:01 am »
When was the last time we won a game at Wembley in 90 mins?

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2017, 10:58:22 am »
I think last 20 mins and how we use our substitutions will decide whether we win or not imo.

We had an easy stroll last night while they had a tough, energy sapping game at Madrid; our games against them are usually tight affairs but I think last 20 mins if we inject some real pace against their tiring defenders it could be crucial to getting this potentially truly vital win that would give us a huge boost for the rest of the season.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2017, 10:59:53 am »
I think last 20 mins and how we use our substitutions will decide whether we win or not imo.

We had an easy stroll last night while they had a tough, energy sapping game at Madrid; our games against them are usually tight affairs but I think last 20 mins if we inject some real pace against their tiring defenders it could be crucial to getting this potentially truly vital win that would give us a huge boost for the rest of the season.

Get them nice and stretched early on that big pitch, try and get Salah isolated against Aurier as well if he plays because he looks an absolute liability
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2017, 11:08:24 am »
Nice Op mate.

Hopefully scoring 7 will allow us to loosen up a bit in the Tottenham game and stick a few away, we need to be confident going into this and I am sure we will. just the 4 - 1 this time though  ;)

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2017, 11:15:20 am »
It'll be interesting to see if Pochettino has finally learned and doesn't  try to play their usual game against us. For someone who's done such a good job he's had a weird blindspot against us that's almost Wengeresque.

Imagine it'll be the same side as against United.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2017, 11:30:56 am »
Start Ox in one of the wide positions. Coutinho, Can & Milner in the middle.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2017, 11:32:44 am »
Start Ox in one of the wide positions. Coutinho, Can & Milner in the middle.

Henderson, Wijanldum and Lallana smashed through their midfield last season so I would start both Wijnaldum and Henderson in this one.

I think we will play the same side as we did against Man Utd.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2017, 11:36:13 am »
Henderson, Wijanldum and Lallana smashed through their midfield last season so I would start both Wijnaldum and Henderson in this one.

I think we will play the same side as we did against Man Utd.
Wijnaldum hasn't been playing well of late imo.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2017, 11:38:16 am »
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2017, 12:26:31 pm »
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Nice OP buddy, enjoyed that, feel a wee bit smarter as well for having read it.

Just popped the refs into the review for you :wave

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2017, 12:31:59 pm »
We will be full of confidence, they’ll be tired and whilst I doubt we’ll win by a whole seven goals I think we’ll see far less chances going to waste.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 12:35:56 pm »
I think last 20 mins and how we use our substitutions will decide whether we win or not imo.


Inclined to agree with this. Biggest difference between Wembley and WH Lane (aside from one being utterly shite and the other a nice atmospheric old stadium) is the size of the pitch. If we're at it physically, we will have much more space to be able to exploit them. They can't remain as compact as they were at WH Lane. I would hope our team is fresher, and our attack should cover more ground than their defence, so let's just hope we have our finishing boots on (because Kane and Alli will).

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #13 on: October 18, 2017, 12:36:46 pm »
Wijnaldum hasn't been playing well of late imo.

Missed last night and Saturday, did you? Been playing well since the international break.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #14 on: October 18, 2017, 12:39:06 pm »


I wanted to shoehorn in everyone's favourite provocateur Slavoj Zizek here, a Ljubljana native, but he hasn't really talked about football. Cultural critics who have though, are Noam Chomsky and Theodor Adorno. Adorno says that "football wastes qualities which could prove valuable in a political situation" and "the act of repetition schools obedience". In the same vein, Chomsky says that the purpose of football "is to get them away, get them away from things that matter. For that it's important to reduce their capacity to think. It's striking to see the amount of intelligence used by ordinary people on sport (...) people have the most exotic information". The people should instead be doing something worthwhile. Football is representation of society’s cultural decay and so on and so on. For any Marxist ideologue, football is religion, the opium of the people.

Football is escapism. That's why it's so sad when you lose.


Enjoyed your OP, thanks Telekon

Fair to say Chomsky is full of shit, I think :) Hasn't a clue, and can't empathise with people who do, so shoehorns in some BS that fits his agenda

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2017, 12:42:00 pm »
Last 4/5 years we have done well against these. The way they defend high suits our attacking style so always feel confident. If they play the same tactics as the last few years Salah particularly will have a field day. Only question is about our defence IMO.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2017, 12:50:30 pm »
Missed last night and Saturday, did you? Been playing well since the international break.

I'd have him and Milner start ahead of Hendo without a doubt at the moment. I know Maribor aren't the best of opposition but watching our midfield playing the ball forward so often and not just getting the ball turning and playing it sideways is exactly what we will need against Spurs
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2017, 01:05:25 pm »
I'd have him and Milner start ahead of Hendo without a doubt at the moment. I know Maribor aren't the best of opposition but watching our midfield playing the ball forward so often and not just getting the ball turning and playing it sideways is exactly what we will need against Spurs

I wouldn't worry about Henderson versus Spurs. He has outplayed their midfield players consistently.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2017, 01:09:24 pm »
This will be a toughie.  Tottenham are a very strong side from front to back. I like how they have a good balance. Think of United last week, how well they defended, but with more threat up top. They've just come away from a fine result in the back yard of the current European champions and restricted them to one single goal and even then that came from the spot. So even though we've just got a few frustrations out of our system in Maribor I think they will be equally boosted and confident going into this.

I believe we'll score but I think they will as well. At least twice.

So I'm going for a 2-2 or a possible dramatic 3-2 to either side with a last minute winner.
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2017, 01:14:29 pm »
Enjoyed your OP, thanks Telekon

Fair to say Chomsky is full of shit, I think :) Hasn't a clue, and can't empathise with people who do, so shoehorns in some BS that fits his agenda

I personally like Chomsky a lot, especially his ability to take complex and abstract ideas, often about history and politics, and make them understandable and easy to digest, especially for an idiot like myself. I completely agree with you though, he clearly lacks empathy in this case. Too pragmatic.

Nice OP buddy, enjoyed that, feel a wee bit smarter as well for having read it.

Just popped the refs into the review for you :wave

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2017, 01:15:23 pm »
Our defensive stability will be put to the test in this outing. Spurs have the set-piece specialist Eriksson, they have two tall strikers who can make an impact and one of them is on the verge of becoming a global superstar. Our pressing needs to be spot on against these, otherwise Kane will have too much service and inevitably score. Getting a clean sheet against Spurs isn't easy anymore, but if we do it will be the third in a row and give our defense all kinds of confidence. We will score at least one. Do your thing, Jürgen.
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #21 on: October 18, 2017, 01:19:04 pm »
Of course as a realist you have to understand that a 7-0 away win can't happen every game. But that's OK, I'm absolutely fine with just sticking 6 past Spurs.
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #22 on: October 18, 2017, 01:33:11 pm »
I think we will play the same side as we did against Man Utd.

Don’t see any reason why it wouldn’t be the same side.  Easy game last night, plenty of rest before Sunday, and it’s arguably our best 11 at the moment. 

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #23 on: October 18, 2017, 01:43:37 pm »
Henderson will definitely come in for this one. Would find it hard to drop Milner after his performance on Tuesday so I would drop one of Can or Wij. Maybe both and bring Coutinho centrally

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #24 on: October 18, 2017, 02:06:21 pm »
Missed last night and Saturday, did you? Been playing well since the international break.
No obviously not. Would prefer Coutinho centrally, that's all.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2017, 02:09:38 pm »
Let's go for the win but anything but a loss and I'm ok.

They''ll be tough....we've had a great record against them recently so Klopp definitely knows how to set us up against them, and the whole Wembley thing is an angle we can use to exploit...get at them and be aggressive and their fans might fear the worst

I do hope the Maribor game has given us confidence and we show it on sunday

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2017, 02:13:21 pm »
I think we’ll create more than them - key is take chances and stick to Kane like glue

Feel we have more potential goal scorers- could be a key point in our season a good result here

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2017, 02:16:37 pm »
It won't happen because Henderson will come back in but i'd like to see Emre Can stay as the #6 for this. He can be slow and take too much time on the ball but i think he shields the defence better with his extra physicality and fouling. He's played as a centre back and full back. He seems to understand the defensive part of the role much better than Henderson.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2017, 03:04:48 pm »
Nullify Kane and you give yourself a good chance IMO, easier said than done tho.  Good time to play them on the back of a tiring game against Madrid with no Dembele or Wanyama either. Come on Red Men.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2017, 03:15:05 pm »
When was the last time we won a game at Wembley in 90 mins?


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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2017, 03:23:57 pm »
I believe we are Spurs' worst nightmare, given our brand of football and we showed that last season playing extremely well in both games against them.

The key is stopping the supply to Kane and I feel we'd be as good as anyone in the league at doing that given our pressing game.

My Team:


Mignolet

Gomez Matip Lovren Moreno

Can

Hendo Milner

Salah Firmino Coutinho


- Harsh on Ox, not starting again.  But I really want to see that front three, as I feel it is our best without Mane.
- Want Milner to start again and play the Lallana role, like he did last night really well.
- Would like to see Henderson play in his best role, Can as the deepest CM - what I feel is his best role too.
- Gomez deserves to start after his performance vs Man U.
- I've been wanting Robertson to get a chance, but I feel Moreno's energy and pressing game will suit him more in this one.


That's what I want.  But I can't see Klopp play Henderson in that role.  So I don't think that will be the team.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2017, 03:26:07 pm »
Of course as a realist you have to understand that a 7-0 away win can't happen every game. But that's OK, I'm absolutely fine with just sticking 6 past Spurs.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2017, 03:39:07 pm »
If we perform similar to the man u game, measured and controlled, I think we will win this.

I'd bring Milner in for one of the 3 cm's, not too bothered which one he replaces.

These are a fantastic team, the 2nd best in the league in my opinion, but we can defo get at them as we've proved in the past

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2017, 03:57:29 pm »

- Want Milner to start again and play the Lallana role, like he did last night really well.


That's what I want.  But I can't see Klopp play Henderson in that role.  So I don't think that will be the team.

The obvious 'compromise' would be the midfield that worked so well last season with Milner in the Lallana role. So Henderson holding with Wijnaldum and Milner ahead of him.

Then with 20 minutes to go swap out Salah with the Ox so he can score a nice late goal to deflate them, and to help the Ox integrate into the squad with some more matchday experience.
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2017, 04:27:37 pm »
Nice OP telekon, I know exactly what you are talking about when you open your post, still you got it done and rather smartly I must say.

Lets hope we build on the the displays this past week and that we keep another clean sheet.
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2017, 05:03:03 pm »
The good thing for us is that we are actually playing in a neutral ground :)
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2017, 05:21:04 pm »
I really fancy us for this one. Always do against these because of their style.
Just realised the last ten games against them we've drawn three and won seven.
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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2017, 05:30:22 pm »
The obvious 'compromise' would be the midfield that worked so well last season with Milner in the Lallana role. So Henderson holding with Wijnaldum and Milner ahead of him.

Then with 20 minutes to go swap out Salah with the Ox so he can score a nice late goal to deflate them, and to help the Ox integrate into the squad with some more matchday experience.

I'd take that.  Although Wijnaldum is worrying me.  He's reminding me of Joe Allen this season.  Tidy on the ball, has nice moments of pressing, but he's been brushing off the ball too easily at times and is being too safe. 

Having said that, Wijnaldum was brilliant against Spurs last season, especially at home.  One of our best individual performances of last season.  If he starts hopefully that's the Wijnaldum we see.

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2017, 05:36:14 pm »
We will be full of confidence, they’ll be tired and whilst I doubt we’ll win by a whole seven goals I think we’ll see far less chances going to waste.

Half the spurs side that will play on Sunday didn't play last night...how many of the Liverpool side from last night will play Sunday?

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Re: Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC - Sunday October 22 - 16:00 GMT
« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2017, 05:51:37 pm »
Looking forward to this. Wembley will suit us more than them I feel, yet they are a good team, and Eriksen is a real danger.

I think it will be close, as usual. The difference might be a bit of brilliance from an individual, or maybe Andre Marriner’s ability to spot and punish an Alli dive.
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