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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #200 on: October 12, 2019, 09:19:57 pm »
As I said previously, Klopp's successor will be carefully planned out.  Jurgen loves us too much to just up and leave us in the lurch.  This is the new Boot Room - Klopp's replacement will not be a shot in the dark.  If that replacement is Steven Gerrard (for example) it wont be a hit-and-hope choice.  FSG have come too far and learned too much to do that.

I love your optimism but if you are looking at FSG's track record then the closest thing you will find to Klopp is Terry Franconna who broke the curse and delivered two titles. He was replaced with Bobby 'V' a TV pundit who is probably best described as the USA's Garth Crooks.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #201 on: October 12, 2019, 09:55:42 pm »
Thanks for the video redsince86. I'm not tactical enough to know his true it is, but it may be a reason that city are struggling so much without laporte. Was he responsible for picking up a lot of the long balls?
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #202 on: October 12, 2019, 10:13:24 pm »
Personally I wouldn't mind seeing him take a crack at the England job after us.

I think I speak for every Irishman everywhere when I say he's the last person on the planet I would like to see take over England.  :)

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #203 on: October 12, 2019, 10:42:58 pm »
I think I speak for every Irishman everywhere when I say he's the last person on the planet I would like to see take over England.  :)


I would back that up by saying why would any Liverpool fan worry about England.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #204 on: October 12, 2019, 10:47:27 pm »
The England job :lmao

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If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #205 on: October 12, 2019, 10:51:02 pm »
The England job :lmao

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #206 on: October 12, 2019, 11:07:17 pm »
I love your optimism but if you are looking at FSG's track record then the closest thing you will find to Klopp is Terry Franconna who broke the curse and delivered two titles. He was replaced with Bobby 'V' a TV pundit who is probably best described as the USA's Garth Crooks.

Strange, Bobby Valentine’s wiki page suggest a fairly long and relatively successful managerial career before a difficult year at Red Sox. Doesn’t sound a lot like Garth Crooks.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #207 on: October 12, 2019, 11:23:22 pm »
Strange, Bobby Valentine’s wiki page suggest a fairly long and relatively successful managerial career before a difficult year at Red Sox. Doesn’t sound a lot like Garth Crooks.

I would love you to show a link for the successful Bobby 'V'.


Whilst you are there please list Bobby's achievements. I can guarantee his achievements will rhyme with scone.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #208 on: October 13, 2019, 12:01:44 am »
I would love you to show a link for the successful Bobby 'V'.


Whilst you are there please list Bobby's achievements. I can guarantee his achievements will rhyme with scone.

His wiki page suggests that he won stuff.  More to the point, it suggests a fairly lengthy and respectable managerial career, which rather begs the question of why you would make the comparison with Garth Crooks, in a managerial context, given that Crooks has not been a manager, a rather important difference. Goodnight.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #209 on: October 13, 2019, 12:03:47 am »
His wiki page suggests that he won stuff.  More to the point, it suggests a fairly lengthy and respectable managerial career, which rather begs the question of why you would make the comparison with Garth Crooks, in a managerial context, given that Crooks has not been a manager, a rather important difference. Goodnight.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #210 on: October 13, 2019, 12:32:09 am »
I love your optimism but if you are looking at FSG's track record then the closest thing you will find to Klopp is Terry Franconna who broke the curse and delivered two titles. He was replaced with Bobby 'V' a TV pundit who is probably best described as the USA's Garth Crooks.

Yeah, you need to stop comparing what FSG do/did with the Red Sox with what they might do with Liverpool. Mostly because your understanding of baseball doesn’t seem to be that great.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #211 on: October 13, 2019, 12:43:50 am »
His wiki page suggests that he won stuff.  More to the point, it suggests a fairly lengthy and respectable managerial career, which rather begs the question of why you would make the comparison with Garth Crooks, in a managerial context, given that Crooks has not been a manager, a rather important difference. Goodnight.

Bobby Valentine was a very good national league manager (the toughest of the two major baseball leagues to manage). He managed the team I follow, the NY Mets. He was a proper manager, knew how to run all kinds of plays, and he was and is a huge character too!


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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #212 on: October 13, 2019, 12:50:34 am »
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #213 on: October 13, 2019, 12:56:30 am »
I love your optimism but if you are looking at FSG's track record then the closest thing you will find to Klopp is Terry Franconna who broke the curse and delivered two titles. He was replaced with Bobby 'V' a TV pundit who is probably best described as the USA's Garth Crooks.

Al, with the greatest respect, your pessimism regarding FSG is well known.  You're acting as if FSG stumbled onto Jurgen by accident when it was quite clearly an intended choice.  Of course there was no guarantee he would choose to join us, but if you think he wont have any say in who succeeds him you're being daft.

Once again you're just exhibiting your prejudice towards FSG.  And you're best keeping it under wraps until our owners definitively fall short in their intentions.

I think I speak for every Irishman everywhere when I say he's the last person on the planet I would like to see take over England.  :)


Is that because you're worried he might actually accomplish something?  Southgate got England to a semi-fucking-final - why is it so hard to think Klopp could do better - IF he chose to take the job?
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« Reply #214 on: October 13, 2019, 01:39:46 am »
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #215 on: October 13, 2019, 04:50:31 am »
Strange, Bobby Valentine’s wiki page suggest a fairly long and relatively successful managerial career before a difficult year at Red Sox. Doesn’t sound a lot like Garth Crooks.


Bobby V's time with the red sox was a disaster. There were bottom of the american league when he was sacked.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #216 on: October 13, 2019, 04:55:57 am »
If Gerrard is the best manager that we can attract then so be it but as you have indicated Gerrard would have to have a fantastic turnaround in his fortunes for that to be the case. Managerial appointments should be based on a managers track recorlnot the fans affinity for one particular candidate. Otherwise you end up with Ole at the wheel.

Agreed.... Gerrard has to win and accomplish more in his managerial career to even be considered a candidate. We just need to see what is happening to Ole Ole Ole now. The most beloved player from their treble winning season is getting abuse from every angle now.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #217 on: October 13, 2019, 07:27:15 am »
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« Reply #218 on: October 13, 2019, 07:28:22 am »
I also see Gerrard as the perfect candidate after Klopp, but as many said he has to earn it in the right way.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #219 on: October 13, 2019, 07:39:36 am »
I also see Gerrard as the perfect candidate after Klopp, but as many said he has to earn it in the right way.

Perfect how...?
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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« Reply #220 on: October 13, 2019, 07:47:53 am »
I also see Gerrard as the perfect candidate after Klopp, but as many said he has to earn it in the right way.

Not sure really. We have such a high quality football unit going on from tactics to analytics and nutrition. Clearly we are very data driven so we would need someone has not only open to that but is also experienced in it.

Gerrard would be open to that but how experienced is he?

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« Reply #221 on: October 13, 2019, 08:02:10 am »
I'm convinced Jurrgen will leave in 2022. That's how long his current contract is for and when it is the Qatar world cup ends when the job might be available and which fits his ambitions to manage the German national team before he turns 60. 2022 is the key date.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #222 on: October 13, 2019, 10:13:12 am »
I also see Gerrard as the perfect candidate after Klopp, but as many said he has to earn it in the right way.

I don’t get this at all. Yeah, he’ll always be a club legend as a player, but I’ve seen nothing in his management so far that would suggest he’s good enough for us. And personality wise, he’s no Klopp. They’re such different characters.

There’s no room for sentiment when choosing a manager.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #223 on: October 13, 2019, 10:34:36 am »
I don’t get this at all. Yeah, he’ll always be a club legend as a player, but I’ve seen nothing in his management so far that would suggest he’s good enough for us. And personality wise, he’s no Klopp. They’re such different characters.

There’s no room for sentiment when choosing a manager.

Spot on. Go for the best and stay away from the type of maudlin wishful thinking the Bitters espouse.

Mind you I'd have Gerrard any day of their dream team of Pip (sounds like Pep) Neville and Tim Cahill.

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #224 on: October 13, 2019, 10:45:19 am »
I would love you to show a link for the successful Bobby 'V'.


Whilst you are there please list Bobby's achievements. I can guarantee his achievements will rhyme with scone.
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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #225 on: October 13, 2019, 10:49:32 am »
And personality wise, he’s no Klopp.


There's no one, nowhere in the world close to Klopp and it would be a big mistake when that dark day arrives, trying and most certainly failing to get a like for like replacement.

I've got a sneaky feeling that he'll get involved in politics when he's about 60. What price Chancellor Klopp?

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« Reply #226 on: October 13, 2019, 12:22:49 pm »
There's no one, nowhere in the world close to Klopp and it would be a big mistake when that dark day arrives, trying and most certainly failing to get a like for like replacement.

I've got a sneaky feeling that he'll get involved in politics when he's about 60. What price Chancellor Klopp?

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Re: Jürgen Klopp
« Reply #227 on: October 13, 2019, 12:44:01 pm »
Not sure really. We have such a high quality football unit going on from tactics to analytics and nutrition. Clearly we are very data driven so we would need someone has not only open to that but is also experienced in it.

Gerrard would be open to that but how experienced is he?
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« Reply #228 on: October 13, 2019, 12:58:37 pm »
Lijnders is a good coach but that doesn't mean he'll be a good manager. He struggled in Holland with that aspect.

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« Reply #229 on: October 13, 2019, 01:05:52 pm »
Chaps, his contract expires in nearly three years time. It’s a long, long, long way off to really be discussing it.
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.

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« Reply #230 on: October 13, 2019, 01:36:36 pm »
Anyone who can get the Anfield Wrap should listen to The Klopp four years one, it is quality.
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« Reply #231 on: October 13, 2019, 01:42:13 pm »
Think some of you need the international break to be over. We’re 8 points clear at the top of the table, European champions and our next game is that lot down the road, and some of you are thinking about the Jürgen  leaving us and what future that might hold.

Let’s just enjoy that we’re in a good moment and focus on the here and now shall we? Worry about what comes next later.
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« Reply #232 on: October 13, 2019, 02:15:42 pm »
Premature conversation, but succession planning must always be on the agenda in any successful organisation. When Klopp does eventually leave, we need to hire the best candidate with the best CV possible considering our structure and identity as a club.

Gerrard’s name shouldn’t even be considered, unless he thoroughly proves himself as an elite coach elsewhere first. And I don’t mean by winning the SPL. The thought of hiring him based solely on his association with the club makes me shudder & is exactly what we laugh at Utd for right now.

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« Reply #233 on: October 13, 2019, 02:26:49 pm »

Bobby V's time with the red sox was a disaster. There were bottom of the american league when he was sacked.

It was a bizarre appointment Valentine was 61 years of age hadn't managed in Major League baseball for a decade and was working as a pundit. He was also a divisive figure who had a track record for causing chaos in the locker room.

As you say it was a disastrous appointment.

So for me it is a pretty massive assumption that FSG will get the next appointment at Liverpool right.
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« Reply #234 on: October 13, 2019, 02:31:14 pm »
It was a bizarre appointment Valentine was 61 years of age hadn't managed in Major League baseball for a decade and was working as a pundit. He was also a divisive figure who had a track record for causing chaos in the locker room.

As you say it was a disastrous appointment.

So for me it is a pretty massive assumption that FSG will get the next appointment at Liverpool right.

Of course, we could just wait and see what happens first before assuming anything at all. Or better still, making the most of Klopp being here now.
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« Reply #235 on: October 13, 2019, 02:34:27 pm »
So for me it is a pretty massive assumption that FSG will get the next appointment at Liverpool right.

This surprises absolutely no one.

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« Reply #236 on: October 13, 2019, 02:53:28 pm »
It was a bizarre appointment Valentine was 61 years of age hadn't managed in Major League baseball for a decade and was working as a pundit. He was also a divisive figure who had a track record for causing chaos in the locker room.

As you say it was a disastrous appointment.

So for me it is a pretty massive assumption that FSG will get the next appointment at Liverpool right.

From the brink of administration and absolute mediocrity on the field to top of the league & champions of Europe. I don’t see what else FSG have to do to earn validation or trust. Some truly will find anything to complain about.

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« Reply #237 on: October 13, 2019, 03:12:27 pm »
From the brink of administration and absolute mediocrity on the field to top of the league & champions of Europe. I don’t see what else FSG have to do to earn validation or trust. Some truly will find anything to complain about.

The main reason for our success for me is not FSG but Klopp. We have for me one of the best managers ever to grace the game and we should enjoy it whilst we can. What we shouldn't do is assume that will continue when Klopp leaves. If you want a comparison look at United.

As for mediocrity I suggest you take a look at how we were performing before Klopp's arrival. We were tenth in the League having finished 6th the season before on 62 points.
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« Reply #238 on: October 13, 2019, 03:19:41 pm »
From the brink of administration and absolute mediocrity on the field to top of the league & champions of Europe. I don’t see what else FSG have to do to earn validation or trust. Some truly will find anything to complain about.

They've learnt some bitter lessons and must reaise the importance of getting the right successor.

Yes, some time off but with klopp to advise and Moore and Co to negotiate hope springs eternal.

Anyway hope Klopp stays well past his current contract.

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« Reply #239 on: October 13, 2019, 03:21:14 pm »
This surprises absolutely no one.

So you’re saying that FSG have never made a mistake, and Klopp is easily replaceable?
If he's being asked to head the ball too frequently - which isn't exactly his specialty - it could affect his ear and cause an infection. Especially if the ball hits him on the ear directly.