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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102600 on: January 30, 2021, 02:40:48 pm »
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102601 on: January 30, 2021, 03:00:24 pm »
The refs at this level are shite too!!!
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102602 on: January 30, 2021, 03:01:17 pm »
I really think Klopp overestimated Billy after he joined the firsts in pre-season.  He always makes errors that lead to goals.  Bit like Sepp vdberg in his first year.  Sepp is now pretty good.  I’m sure Billy will be good - klopp knows a lot more than I do - but he’s a weak link in the U23s at the moment.
I think he was probably just in the right place at the right time in getting called up. Then as he may have a future here compared to Drop who likely doesn't was kept round. Klopp is always very positive when talking about players though

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102603 on: January 30, 2021, 03:16:23 pm »
At least the U18s are making a better fist of it, for the mo anyway.  2-2 into the second half v Man City away, both Layton S pens.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102604 on: January 30, 2021, 05:49:44 pm »
At least the U18s are making a better fist of it, for the mo anyway.  2-2 into the second half v Man City away, both Layton S pens.

U18s ended up losing 4-2 to ManCity, 2 goals in the last 15mins killed us off. 2nd in the table, on goals scored to ManCity, but they've played 2 games less than us, 6pts behind ManUtd on the same number of games.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102605 on: February 1, 2021, 06:36:42 pm »
I’ve commented on here before than LFC seem to collect and hoard a ridiculous number of academy goalies who will barely get a game.  So Neil Jones (goal), picked up in the Echo, says we have signed Liam Hughes, a 19 yo from Celtic , as back up U23.  They’ve already bought in Pitaluga, who I am not impressed with and who I think should be competing for the U18 shirt not U23s, with Jaros barely getting any game time and Winterbottom completely ignored.  At the beginning of the season it looked like they offered Winterbottom a new contract but that he was contemplating moving on - the list of squad players kept on implied that.  Really he would have done better not joining in the first place.  Then we have 4 more in the U18s.  Kelly (who has probably only played in friendlies) and Orjzinski (or similar), and first years Davies and Mrozek.  It’s not like we get good sell on fees from specialising in goalies because they never get to show their skills without games.  I just don’t get it.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102606 on: February 1, 2021, 06:41:05 pm »
Just seen that Winterbottom has disappeared off the list of academy players on the lfc site, and a quick google shows he joined Brentford B team a couple of days ago.  Well that explains a bit, but we still have too many. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102608 on: February 1, 2021, 08:42:57 pm »
Gordon liked a post on instagram when Diallo scored his first against our U23s.

Haven't heard anything regarding us signing him - Perhaps he's going the mancs instead? I know he's only a kid but why would you like that post if you're signing for us? Bit odd I think 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102609 on: February 1, 2021, 08:56:49 pm »
I’ve commented on here before than LFC seem to collect and hoard a ridiculous number of academy goalies who will barely get a game.  So Neil Jones (goal), picked up in the Echo, says we have signed Liam Hughes, a 19 yo from Celtic , as back up U23.  They’ve already bought in Pitaluga, who I am not impressed with and who I think should be competing for the U18 shirt not U23s, with Jaros barely getting any game time and Winterbottom completely ignored.  At the beginning of the season it looked like they offered Winterbottom a new contract but that he was contemplating moving on - the list of squad players kept on implied that.  Really he would have done better not joining in the first place.  Then we have 4 more in the U18s.  Kelly (who has probably only played in friendlies) and Orjzinski (or similar), and first years Davies and Mrozek.  It’s not like we get good sell on fees from specialising in goalies because they never get to show their skills without games.  I just don’t get it.
Maybe just massive hedging of bets.  Is goalkeeper progression more volatile and less well understood than outfield players?

With goalkeepers though it just feels like the prospects of one making their breakthrough at a club of our level is just incredibly slim.  Dean Henderson is probably the closest there's been in recent years and even he's likely to be playing second fiddle to De Gea for at least another three years.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102610 on: February 1, 2021, 08:59:59 pm »
Gordon liked a post on instagram when Diallo scored his first against our U23s.

Haven't heard anything regarding us signing him - Perhaps he's going the mancs instead? I know he's only a kid but why would you like that post if you're signing for us? Bit odd I think

Liking a post doesn’t suggest a last second u-turn to sign for the mancs. All these kids are liking each other’s posts all the time. He’s only 16, which means more paperwork and league approval before the transfer is official. That’s why there hasn’t been any announcement yet.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102611 on: February 1, 2021, 09:11:30 pm »
Gordon liked a post on instagram when Diallo scored his first against our U23s.

Haven't heard anything regarding us signing him - Perhaps he's going the mancs instead? I know he's only a kid but why would you like that post if you're signing for us? Bit odd I think 

Fee has been agreed. Last week and paper work with the FA. It takes about a week to go through as hes 16.

Should be announced later this week/start of next.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102612 on: February 2, 2021, 07:59:12 am »
what's the deal with stockpiling young goalkeepers?  saw that the club just brought in another one this window. I think we have enough youth keepers in the club to form a full outfield team.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102613 on: February 2, 2021, 12:08:17 pm »
Just looking through some deadline day moves and ex-acadmey player Adam Phillips has gone to Accrington Stanley in league one on loan after doing well in league 2.. Him, Rossiter and Brannagan all at that level now.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102614 on: February 3, 2021, 06:42:08 am »
Gordon liked a post on instagram when Diallo scored his first against our U23s.

Haven't heard anything regarding us signing him - Perhaps he's going the mancs instead? I know he's only a kid but why would you like that post if you're signing for us? Bit odd I think 

KAIDE GORDON

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102615 on: February 3, 2021, 09:04:52 am »
I’ve commented on here before than LFC seem to collect and hoard a ridiculous number of academy goalies who will barely get a game.  So Neil Jones (goal), picked up in the Echo, says we have signed Liam Hughes, a 19 yo from Celtic , as back up U23.  They’ve already bought in Pitaluga, who I am not impressed with and who I think should be competing for the U18 shirt not U23s, with Jaros barely getting any game time and Winterbottom completely ignored.  At the beginning of the season it looked like they offered Winterbottom a new contract but that he was contemplating moving on - the list of squad players kept on implied that.  Really he would have done better not joining in the first place.  Then we have 4 more in the U18s.  Kelly (who has probably only played in friendlies) and Orjzinski (or similar), and first years Davies and Mrozek.  It’s not like we get good sell on fees from specialising in goalies because they never get to show their skills without games.  I just don’t get it.

Could not agree more. Every window we sign another 1 or 2. With money tight I really don't get it. Sure, they don't cost the earth but how is it justified?

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Achterberg or whoever it is must be very persuasive. Maybe he should be in charge of negotiating funds for the first team!!!!
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102616 on: February 3, 2021, 02:16:07 pm »
So slightly more rationale (for getting another goalie in) now that I’ve seen that Jaros has gone out on loan to Irish side St Patrick’s Athletic ahead of their new season starting.  Good to get them out into professional football playing real games. 

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102617 on: February 3, 2021, 02:58:27 pm »
I thought jaros looked good when coming through the u18s. More impressed than I was with Grabara or Kelleher, but hard to really know where he is at as he's played so infrequently in the last few years. Just checked transfermarkt and they have him only playing about 7 games over the last 18 months.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102618 on: February 3, 2021, 04:19:35 pm »
Gordon liked a post on instagram when Diallo scored his first against our U23s.

Haven't heard anything regarding us signing him - Perhaps he's going the mancs instead? I know he's only a kid but why would you like that post if you're signing for us? Bit odd I think 

Maybe he just thought it was a good goal?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102619 on: February 3, 2021, 05:43:29 pm »
Bit disappointed for Larouci, and LFC that he couldnt find a new club In the window.  But I guess no one wants to spend any money unnecessarily.  A bit of a wasted year for him.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102620 on: February 3, 2021, 06:20:07 pm »
Maybe he just thought it was a good goal?

Or yanno, the lad might actually be a Utd fan. He won't be the first to sign for Liverpool.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102621 on: February 3, 2021, 11:58:56 pm »
I guess in the grand scheme of how many players really truly make it to the "top" Trent and Curtis are a pretty good outcome from the recent young crop.

But are there literally no decent forwards in our academy - especially wide men? Ignoring Harvey Elliott, who in my opinion might end up being more of a 10 for us eventually.

Some youthful exuberance would be nice off the bench. Saka at Arsenal is obviously an incredible talent but someone on that trajectory would be such a boost to us.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102622 on: February 4, 2021, 12:08:28 am »
I dunno what's going on with our recruitment at youth levels, but we should be targeting pacey forwards/wingers.  I can't remember the last time anyone came through who matches that description.  Wilson is slow, Kent isn't much quicker, Elliott is more creative than speedy.

It's such a key part of our attack, but we don't have any youth players who play a similar game to Salah and Mane.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102623 on: February 4, 2021, 07:59:37 am »
I guess in the grand scheme of how many players really truly make it to the "top" Trent and Curtis are a pretty good outcome from the recent young crop.

But are there literally no decent forwards in our academy - especially wide men? Ignoring Harvey Elliott, who in my opinion might end up being more of a 10 for us eventually.

Some youthful exuberance would be nice off the bench. Saka at Arsenal is obviously an incredible talent but someone on that trajectory would be such a boost to us.
There's been a pretty massive drop off in wide players since Kent/ojo/camps/Wilson were all in the same age group. For a few years were were playing either wingbacks or a diamond in midfield to get around having none. It was pretty stark at times that we had not much 1vs1 ability on the pitch outside Jones when he was playing u18 football.

I'm guessing Kaide Gordon fits recruiting a wide player and given what we'd have to promise him to get him to.sign he'll be with the first team quite early if not straight away
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102624 on: February 4, 2021, 08:29:47 am »
I dunno what's going on with our recruitment at youth levels, but we should be targeting pacey forwards/wingers.  I can't remember the last time anyone came through who matches that description.  Wilson is slow, Kent isn't much quicker, Elliott is more creative than speedy.

It's such a key part of our attack, but we don't have any youth players who play a similar game to Salah and Mane.

Kent is very quick no?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102625 on: February 4, 2021, 09:05:35 am »
I think all of Elliott, Kent and Wilson are quick enough to be front three players. The latter two don't have enough to their games to play at the very top level, hopefully Elliott does.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102626 on: February 4, 2021, 09:23:57 am »
Kent is very quick no?

He's not Mane or Salah quick.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102627 on: February 4, 2021, 11:34:38 am »
He's not Mane or Salah quick.

Not many are to be fair.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102628 on: February 4, 2021, 12:31:45 pm »
Not many are to be fair.

Agree, but we should be targeting youth players that have close to that kind of speed.
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102629 on: February 4, 2021, 12:34:37 pm »
Agree, but we should be targeting youth players that have close to that kind of speed.

Yes that is fair, who is the last one we targeted? Bobby Adekanye?
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102630 on: February 4, 2021, 01:11:59 pm »
I've been very impressed by Tyler Morton, if he keeps doing what he's doing he has a chance of being around the first team set up next season.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102631 on: February 4, 2021, 06:31:00 pm »
Yes that is fair, who is the last one we targeted? Bobby Adekanye?

possibly Larouci?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102632 on: February 6, 2021, 02:25:07 pm »
How’s Elliott doing of late at Blackburn?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102633 on: February 6, 2021, 03:22:40 pm »
How’s Elliott doing of late at Blackburn?

Playing regularly so he must be highly thought of.  Liam Millar with an assist already this p.m.

Short report on the official website about an U18 friendly  v Bolton with two new names - not new LFC players but U16s who I don’t think have featured yet at U18 level, Pharell Williams and Iwan Roberts, both who joined Leyton Stewart on the scoresheet in a 5-3 win




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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102634 on: February 6, 2021, 03:41:53 pm »
I dunno what's going on with our recruitment at youth levels, but we should be targeting pacey forwards/wingers.  I can't remember the last time anyone came through who matches that description.  Wilson is slow, Kent isn't much quicker, Elliott is more creative than speedy.

It's such a key part of our attack, but we don't have any youth players who play a similar game to Salah and Mane.

I agree to an extent, but if you look at the current u18 group I think you’ll see some potential options that fit that description. We did have some leans years between the initial promise of Kent, Ojo, Wilson and now, but we could have a few legitimate forward prospects that have the pace to play “our way”.

Isaac Mabaya is only 16 but has become a regular at u18 level. He’s got an abundance of power and pace, and while he’s played all over the pitch so far I think he ends up a wide forward. Has 3 goals and 3 assists this season already. For me, he’s right up there with our best 2-3 long term prospects.
New recruit Mel Frauendorf is rapid. He has been more of a midfielder for most of his youth career in Germany but has been used mostly as a wide forward for us. He is still adjusting to the positional switch but he’s got all the tools.
 Harvey Blair has had a couple of injuries that have slowed his momentum this season, but he’s been great when fit. He’s also a true wide forward with pace.

Then of course we have Layton Stewart. He’s been incredibly productive over the past 2 seasons and possesses the physical attributes to help him succeed at the next level. Unlike the Adam Morgan’s and Bobby Duncan’s of the past, he’s got a tall, strong frame and good pace to match his finishing ability. He’s starting to transition to u23 football now so it will be interesting to see how long it takes him to make a major impact there.

Obviously I don’t expect all of these to break through with us. I would argue though that this is the best crop of ‘Liverpool style’ forwards we’ve had in quite a while.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102635 on: February 6, 2021, 05:26:02 pm »
How’s Elliott doing of late at Blackburn?

He's having a cracking season, been one of the best players in The Championship this season.

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102636 on: February 7, 2021, 08:47:23 pm »
After some missing a bunch of u18 games, away to Stoke is down to be on lfctv on Tuesday afternoon. Hopefully a bit of relief from the first team!

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102637 on: February 7, 2021, 08:48:51 pm »
After some missing a bunch of u18 games, away to Stoke is down to be on lfctv on Tuesday afternoon. Hopefully a bit of relief from the first team!

Haven't the youth teams been taking a leaf out of the first team's form performance wise as well though?  ;D
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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102638 on: February 8, 2021, 04:01:55 pm »
How does Elliott compare to Wilson when he was at Hull those years ago?

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Re: Youth and Under 23 Thread
« Reply #102639 on: February 8, 2021, 04:14:17 pm »
How does Elliott compare to Wilson when he was at Hull those years ago?
Different players...him being 3 years younger also is quite dramatic at this stage.  Wilson was always someone to come alive for brief moments and go quiet. Harvey, on the other hand, is much more involved in general play. And its that reason as to why so many are excited about him...to be 17 and understand the game as well as he does, is crazy.