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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #160 on: November 5, 2010, 04:41:00 am »
Sorry, who on here stated Johnson was our "best defender' last season?

I remember him mostly for his poor marking, poor positioning and lack of concentration from set pieces and from individual mistakes more so than his action packed and productive start to last season which deteriorated quickly once the season went south.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #161 on: November 5, 2010, 06:30:54 am »
I think he goes alright. Look at Konchesky, now that's a retard.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #162 on: November 5, 2010, 06:38:24 am »
I think he goes alright. Look at Konchesky, now that's a retard.

Both are equally average at sound defending abilities. I would rather have Darby out at right back than Johnson. I just don't think he has the defensive abilities everyone talks about and is far better playing in right midfield where his pace and movement can be a bigger threat to the opposition.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #163 on: November 5, 2010, 06:42:50 am »
I think he goes alright. Look at Konchesky, now that's a retard.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #164 on: November 5, 2010, 07:02:20 am »
Both are equally average at sound defending abilities. I would rather have Darby out at right back than Johnson. I just don't think he has the defensive abilities everyone talks about and is far better playing in right midfield where his pace and movement can be a bigger threat to the opposition.


Someone said up there that he has different areas to move into from fullback compared to your standard winger. I like having him back there and he has been fantastic there before. Also he is the incumbant for England so can't see why anyone would want to move him? I think having players like Carra and Poulsen around just isn't helping his game.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #165 on: November 5, 2010, 07:16:42 am »
Someone said up there that he has different areas to move into from fullback compared to your standard winger. I like having him back there and he has been fantastic there before. Also he is the incumbant for England so can't see why anyone would want to move him? I think having players like Carra and Poulsen around just isn't helping his game.

I disagree Reenah.

I find defence is far more stable when he isn't at the back....:)
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #166 on: November 5, 2010, 07:22:52 am »
I thought he played well yesterday

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #167 on: November 5, 2010, 07:25:21 am »
I wish we had more players like Johnson. You know, the kind that can actually attack well.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #168 on: November 5, 2010, 07:29:16 am »
carra has been mince meat for pacy attackers for a few years now. pls stop all this blame on glen. He contributes more than most of our aging defenders with lesser attributes.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #169 on: November 5, 2010, 07:32:42 am »
johnson was definitely poor tonight and for most of the season so far. him, konchesky and poulsen shouldnt be near the first team atm. the aussie commentators tonight were commenting about damian comonelli or wateva and said if he was here theres no way we would of signed players like konchesky and poulsen and hes spot on. In terms of right back though i would rather see kelly, carragher, or even darby their ahead of johnson atm.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #170 on: November 5, 2010, 08:31:12 am »
I wish we had more players like Johnson. You know, the kind that can actually attack well.

Problem is, we also signed him to defend.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #171 on: November 5, 2010, 08:32:33 am »
carra has been mince meat for pacy attackers for a few years now. pls stop all this blame on glen. He contributes more than most of our aging defenders with lesser attributes.

Sure. Now, let's talk about his defensive duties and his marking abilities and positioning when marking opposition players in and outside the box as well as his level of concentration and focus.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #172 on: November 5, 2010, 08:32:41 am »
Nothing wrong with Johnson performance last night, would help if he had a decent winger in front of him

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #173 on: November 5, 2010, 08:34:21 am »
Nothing wrong with Johnson performance last night, would help if he had a decent winger in front of him

Would help if he could also defend as well as attack. He wasn't tested too badly last night at right back but Chelsea won't give him that luxury on Sunday.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #174 on: November 5, 2010, 08:43:42 am »
anyone who says johnson was at fault at all for the goal is wrong.  it all could have been avoided if poulsen hadn't made a shit header backward.  if he'd have just headed it forward like any normal defender would then that goal would not have been conceded.  none of our defenders were expecting a header backward so any/all of them can be forgiven for anything they did or didn't do after poulsen headed backward as it simply should never have been headed in their direction in the first place.

anyway, i've only seen the first half so far (game was on at 4 pm my time so i had things to do unfortunately) but i have thought johnno's done well so far.  looks lively going forward as always (though not getting forward as much as normal, also not getting much service down the flanks for him) and hasn't looked suspect in defense.  only one occasion where i thought "wtf?" and that was when we were pressed to our final third and johnson was just a few feet away from carra who was toward the center and the napoli player was coming down their left side and jonjo was the one defending the man on the ball.  thought we were deep enough in our own third that johnson should've been marking him.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #175 on: November 5, 2010, 08:55:21 am »
anyone who says johnson was at fault at all for the goal is wrong.  it all could have been avoided if poulsen hadn't made a shit header backward.  if he'd have just headed it forward like any normal defender would then that goal would not have been conceded.  none of our defenders were expecting a header backward so any/all of them can be forgiven for anything they did or didn't do after poulsen headed backward as it simply should never have been headed in their direction in the first place.

anyway, i've only seen the first half so far (game was on at 4 pm my time so i had things to do unfortunately) but i have thought johnno's done well so far.  looks lively going forward as always (though not getting forward as much as normal, also not getting much service down the flanks for him) and hasn't looked suspect in defense.  only one occasion where i thought "wtf?" and that was when we were pressed to our final third and johnson was just a few feet away from carra who was toward the center and the napoli player was coming down their left side and jonjo was the one defending the man on the ball.  thought we were deep enough in our own third that johnson should've been marking him.

Nobody is blaming Johnson for the goal. If you had read the Napoli match thread from last night, you will notice 100% of the fault has been laid at the feet of Mr.Poulsen.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #176 on: November 5, 2010, 09:01:21 am »
Poulsen shouldn't ever play for Liverpool as long as he has a hole in his arse! What in the name of Christ was Hodgson thinking when he brought that twat here??? He should have been taken off after 65 seconds, let alone 65 minutes!
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #177 on: November 5, 2010, 09:08:58 am »
Nobody is blaming Johnson for the goal. If you had read the Napoli match thread from last night, you will notice 100% of the fault has been laid at the feet of Mr.Poulsen.

well, Red Isle Chap is trying to make something of Johnson marking lavezzi and then switching over to cavani or whoever it was who headed forward for lavezzi.  what i'm saying is that anything that any of the defenders did after poulsen headed back is inconsequential because it shouldn't have been headed back in the first place, which you seem to very well understand.  poulsen shouldn't have put johnson/his teammates in that position where they had to make a marking choice on the spot like that.  johnson's switch was a split second decision that had to be made one way or the other after an unexpected header backward, and he cannot really be blamed for it.  red isle chap shouldn't even be mentioning it, as it was alllllll poulsen.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #178 on: November 5, 2010, 09:10:19 am »
Last night was the perfect opportunity to play Kelly at RB and Johnson at RM.

Sadly, whilst Johnson is at RB, we are weak. He is away with the fairys half the time and it weakens the entire defensive unit. Don't think it is any coincidence that Carras' fall from grace coincided with the arrival of Johnson.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #179 on: November 5, 2010, 10:03:46 am »
I remember him mostly for his poor marking, poor positioning and lack of concentration from set pieces and from individual mistakes
This could probably be said of all our defenders last season. Not saying Johnson had a good season overall (a great start though), but was he really worse than the others? Atleast he gives us something going forward, unlike Carragher for example.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #180 on: November 5, 2010, 10:06:21 am »
Sorry, who on here stated Johnson was our "best defender' last season?

I remember him mostly for his poor marking, poor positioning and lack of concentration from set pieces and from individual mistakes more so than his action packed and productive start to last season which deteriorated quickly once the season went south.
Last season we did not play a man marking system.  Johnsosn is a fantastic football player who suffers because of the lack of pace in central defence. Don't let a few Sky reports sully your opinion.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #181 on: November 5, 2010, 10:08:53 am »
Just to chip in, when watching that goal, it's clear (although the blame game isn't a fun one) that the main culprit was Poulsen. He had a free header, messed it up, headed it straight to the opposition in a dangerous area, end of.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #182 on: November 5, 2010, 11:51:08 am »
Am I alone in thinking we should give him a shot at right midfield?

It's common knowledge that he struggles defensively at times, more so without Masch roaming the pitch and covering for his forward bursts. He does have superb ability going forward though and is probably our most effective player with the ball at his feet and running at the opposition. He just reminds me an awful lot of Gareth Bale as a left back last season for Spurs. Great going forward but suspect at the back, which ultimately, cost him his place in their side. Given a chance at left wing to showcase his strengths without the adjoining weaknesses and he suddely looks a class act.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #183 on: November 5, 2010, 11:53:02 am »
Am I alone in thinking we should give him a shot at right midfield?


Obviously not considering the post 4 posts above this one.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #184 on: November 5, 2010, 12:05:14 pm »
I don't like the idea of Johnson at RM... I think he thrives off the space afforded to him by coming in from deep on the right, basically being the odd-man-out who isn't being marked at all times.  the opposition is focused on closing down his passing options, so he remains open himself with the ball at his feet, free, to an extent, to jog toward the box as a shooting/crossing threat or enter the box with some crossovers and be a crossing/shooting/penalty creating threat.  I don't think he'd be as effective if he was pushed up the flank to RM.  He won't any longer be the extra man getting into space which is what he's good at -- exploiting space afforded to him in order to open up options in attacking areas.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #185 on: November 5, 2010, 12:06:36 pm »
There is no reason why he cannot do what bale is doing at spurs.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #186 on: November 5, 2010, 12:07:51 pm »
...is and, never will be, a right midfielder.

He's a right back, end of.

Is and never will be a right midfielder.. What exactly does that mean? He can either be or not be , right?

He can be both in my opinion...
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #187 on: November 5, 2010, 12:09:19 pm »
Does anyone know how often he played at Right Midfield for Portsmouth?
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #188 on: November 5, 2010, 12:24:54 pm »
Obviously not considering the post 4 posts above this one.

Sorry mate, missed your post (didn't have time to go through the entire thread)  :wave

For what its worth, I agree with your point regarding giving Kelly the right back slot with Johnson right midfield. Seems to make a lot of sense to me.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #189 on: November 5, 2010, 12:32:57 pm »
He is away with the fairys half the time

:lmao I was trying to word it best what is wrong with Johnson, I think that does it quite well.

For arguments sake I think a right hand side of Johnson and Kelly is worth a try.... away from home when we need to be tighter, Johnson's defensive ability (he does have SOME) would be a useful asset like it has been with Kuyt down the years.

I think Carra's decline is more down to Carra than anyone else IMO.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #190 on: November 5, 2010, 01:35:14 pm »
Another boss player - fuck the price tag, and making the odd mistake. One of the best attacking full backs in World football.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #191 on: November 5, 2010, 01:37:32 pm »
Problem is, we also signed him to defend.

The defensive midfielders and the winger are supposed to help out with that. Gone are the days of rigid fullbacks that didn't offer anything in attack.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #192 on: November 5, 2010, 01:39:51 pm »
I wouldn´t say he´s a bad defender. In fact, I think he more than okay. But the fact is that to get the best out of him he must have freedom to join the attack which then leaves room for opposition wingers to operate. So, he needs some covering with pace. Last season this was no problem when Macherano was in the team but now it is a bit of problem. Best solution I can think with the players we have is to play our fastest centerback (Skrtel) next to him to provide cover when Glen´s upfield or defending 1v1.

As an attacking fullback he´s one of the best around and I see no reason to move him to winger, a move which in my opinion contains much risk with little to gain.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #193 on: November 5, 2010, 01:40:02 pm »
Im not the only one who thinks Johnson can attack and I would like to see what he could do from a more advanced position. my concern is this...

how many of his great offensive moves came from static play? His best moves come from getting a running start at defenders when running up from his RB position.

the problems to his success have come partly from the lack of poor passes in his direction. Its like we dont bother to pass to him just to dump it off to his general area and letting GJ come and get the ball. If we played more quality passes into his feet he'd beat Cole and Evra on their best day. The passes are always just off or a little behind him.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #194 on: November 5, 2010, 01:42:10 pm »
He is a bad defender, however his physical attributes often cover his poor mental defensive attributes.
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #195 on: November 5, 2010, 01:46:29 pm »
I wouldn´t say he´s a bad defender. In fact, I think he more than okay. But the fact is that to get the best out of him he must have freedom to join the attack which then leaves room for opposition wingers to operate. So, he needs some covering with pace. Last season this was no problem when Macherano was in the team but now it is a bit of problem. Best solution I can think with the players we have is to play our fastest centerback (Skrtel) next to him to provide cover when Glen´s upfield or defending 1v1.

As an attacking fullback he´s one of the best around and I see no reason to move him to winger, a move which in my opinion contains much risk with little to gain.
Spot on re Skrtel's re-positioning to the right hand side of the defence plus Lucas has to have an eye on that area when Johnson pushes on.

However, we need to remember why we signed this lad. It was not to stiffen the defence it was to give us more attacking thrust down the right hand side which he did really well initially. However, I think he has gotten a little confused about what he is recently and he should concentrate on doing what he does best which is getting forward at pace when the chance arises and being direct. When he gets going he is hard to stop and he has good delivery off both feet.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #196 on: November 5, 2010, 01:52:20 pm »


As an attacking fullback he´s one of the best around and I see no reason to move him to winger, a move which in my opinion contains much risk with little to gain.

There would be no risk at all, anyone who doesn't think he'd easily outclass Kuyt in that position needs to have a long hard think about it.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #197 on: November 5, 2010, 02:04:53 pm »
Glenn Johnson is fine as a good attacking right back. The obvious downside is that we will occasionally be exposed defensively, but that can be mitigated with a good central defensive pairing and a mobile holding midfielder. We need to be a team that gives the other side problems, and that's where Johnson can sparkle. There are not many better attacking right backs out there (Maicon and Alves off the top of my head, but not sure who else).

Get a forward thinking manager in and Johnson will look really good in an adventurous Liverpool team. Have a suspect central defence and play a containing game under an old school manager, and Johnson looks out of place.

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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #198 on: November 5, 2010, 02:09:35 pm »
seemed to be fine against di maria last year, he needs a higher line played, we wont get that till skrtel and agger both start as cb's
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Re: Glen Johnson...
« Reply #199 on: November 5, 2010, 03:51:15 pm »
Why can't he go to the byline and cross for fucks sake? I absolutely hate the English way of aimlessly crossing it in the general area of the box.

I like European fullbacks who actually cross from the byline , low crosses which are much more likely to result in a goal. Their position defensively is covered by their teammates.

Konchesky does it too , aimless crossing it without noting the run of a teammate(s).

Maybe it is Roy's the tactics , who knows.

And another major weakness in GJ's game is his tendency to lose the ball in advanced positions , exposing us to the counterattack by a quick , technical team.

He looks great in a good attacking team but is ordinary in a traditional fullback role.

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