Topic: Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann

[buzzing]

Got lots of family in USA that are pro bush/palin..etc Most of them blame the current regime for the state of the economy. Can you believe one had the nerve to say "there was no recession when bush was in power"

[Corkboy]

Tina Fey picked up the sixth Emmy of her career Saturday night with her win as guest actress in a comedy series for her portrayal of GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin on" Saturday Night Live." This is the fifth category Tina Fey has taken at the Emmys with previous wins in: writing variety ("SNL," 2002); producing comedy ("30 Rock," 2007, 2008); writing comedy ("30 Rock," 2008); and lead actress comedy ("30 Rock," 2008).

Fey prevailed over a slate of Emmy winners in this category including two guests on "30 Rock" - Jennifer Aniston ("Friends," 2002 lead actress) and Elaine Stritch who won this award in 2007 for her role as Alec Baldwin's crazy mama on the show. Stritch also has Emmys for guest actress, drama ("Law & Order," 1993) and individual variety performance ("Elaine Stritch: At Liberty," 2004). Fey also beat out four-time winner Betty White ("My Name is Earl"), three-time champ Gena Rowlands ("Monk") and one-time victor Christine Baranksi ("The Big Bang Theory").


Accepting the award, Fey acknowledged the politico she so deftly lampooned saying, "Mrs. Palin is an inspiration to working mothers everywhere because she bailed on her job right before Fourth of July weekend. You are living my dream. Thank you, Mrs. Palin." At next Sunday's Primetime Emmys, Fey defends her lead actress and series wins.

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[Lush is the best medicine...]

Can you believe one had the nerve to say "there was no recession when bush was in power"

seeing as they have their heads rammed up the GOP's collective arseholes it doesnt surprise me one little bit

[jerseyhoya]

Anyone see what the much maligned former president was supposed to have said about Sarah Palin in GQ this week?

It was clear, though, that the president, ever the skilled politician, had concerns about the choice of Palin, which he called “interesting.” That was the equivalent of calling a fireworks display “satisfactory.”

“I’m trying to remember if I’ve met her before. I’m sure I must have.” His eyes twinkled, then he asked, “What is she, the governor of Guam?”

Everyone in the room seemed to look at him in horror, their mouths agape. When Ed told him that conservatives were greeting the choice enthusiastically, he replied, “Look, I’m a team player, I’m on board.” He thought about it for a minute. “She’s interesting,” he said again. “You know, just wait a few days until the bloom is off the rose.” Then he made a very smart assessment.

“This woman is being put into a position she is not even remotely prepared for,” he said. “She hasn’t spent one day on the national level. Neither has her family. Let’s wait and see how she looks five days out.”

Nice Joe Biden line too.

He paused for a minute. I could see him thinking maybe he shouldn’t say it, but he couldn’t resist. “If bullshit was currency,” he said straight-faced, “Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” Everyone in the room burst out laughing.

The story on the whole is of course not particularly flattering to Mr. Bush
http://men.style.com/gq/features/landing?id=content_10957

[Ray K]

That GQ piece was written by one of Dubya's chief speechwriters for the last couple of years.
I think everyone working in that adminsitration comes off badly, especially those true believers in the great conservative project.
Dubya claims at one stage not to be a conservative at all.

I saw Ben Folds has a song up on the interwebs called 'Levi Johnston's Blues', with lyrics co-written with Nick Hornby.
Here it is. Quite funny as would expect from Ben.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqLelPLm9gI

[Corkboy]

Palin rides the 'birther' bandwagon

Why bother tackling America's real problems when you can stoke paranoid delusions over Obama's birth certificate?

   
   
          o Jennifer Abel
          o guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 8 December 2009 13.00 GMT
         

Sarah Palin couldn't leave well enough alone, could she? Just when I started hoping Orly Taitz and her factually challenged followers were fading from public memory, the Mooseburger Barbie added her lumbering mass to the "birther" bandwagon momentum. On the Rusty Humphries show last week, the former Republican vice-presidential candidate said of the quasi-controversy surrounding Obama's birth certificate: "I think the public rightly is still making it an issue … I think it's a fair question just like I think past associations and past voting records."

Such idiocy isn't unique to Palin or even the right wing; it's a symptom of a more serious illness infecting America's body politic. Too many people on both ends of the political spectrum ignore actual issues to focus on conspiratorial jackassery. Bush and Cheney spent eight years shredding the constitution, yet their main detractors ignored this to weave a vast conspiracy wherein Osama bin Laden brought down the World Trade Centre on Bush's orders so the latter could invade Iraq after stupidly planting fake evidence implicating not Iraqis but Saudi Arabians.

Then Obama ran for president on promises to repair Bush's constitutional damage, got elected, and continued his predecessor's worst offences while piling on more of his own. So what's his opposition doing? Blathering over birth certificates and his middle name: Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

Why do my compatriots ignore our country's real problems to fight vapours instead? It's not just the presidential conspiracies: there's the obsession with stopping gay marriage, off-and-on flag-burning panic, the goodness-graciousing over drugs, porn and teen sexuality, and the potentially deadly anti-vaccine hysteria.

Howard Bloom answered my question in 1995 when he wrote The Lucifer Principle, a book which discusses – for lack of a better phrase – the evolutionary origins of evil. One section shows examples of how animals, people and entire countries need to feel in control of things, yet go about it the wrong way; when faced with a problem you can't immediately solve, it's easier, and more gratifying in the short term, to kick a scapegoat instead.

Ordinary people do it: a man has a bad day at work but can't lash out at his boss, so he goes home and yells at his kids. The ancient Romans did it: when barbarians threatened the borders, they figured their main problem was a vestal virgin who offended the gods by having sex, and ignored the barbarians to prosecute naughty vestals. Victorian England did it: in the 1890s when the German chemical-industrial revolution threatened British economic supremacy, they blamed degenerate playwrights and novelists, gave Oscar Wilde a show trial and ignored the Empire's real problems to throw his homosexual self in gaol.

But yelling at your kids won't fix problems with your boss. The deaths of the non-virgin vestals didn't save Rome, and the sun set on the British Empire despite Wilde's ruination.

What does this mean for America? We've always had political conspiracy theories, but after 9/11 they moved from the fringe to the mainstream. In the last millennium, you never saw major-party VP candidates suggest the sitting president address questions such as "Who really killed JFK?" or "How many space aliens have we imprisoned at Area 51?"

Yet those theories have more going for them than Birtherism ever did. Kennedy really was assassinated, and his murderer gunned down before anyone could ask questions. Even the men-in-black/UFO spotters found partial vindication in our military's admission that yes, they did test high-tech designs at Area 51. What evidence do Birthers have? Only the meltdown ravings of a dentist who'll believe any bad forgery a bored prankster bothers sending her.

That's what Sarah Palin thinks Americans ought to worry about – and her fans have taken her at face value even as she sought to pulll back from her comments. Yet Palin represents the only major-party alternative offered to Americans fed up with Obama's catastrophic mismanagement.

Jesus wept, and so did I.

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[kesey]

Who?

[jerseyhoya]

I'm not a Palin fan at all, but that article's pretty bad. The birther garbage hasn't been anywhere near the core of her incoherent conservative, populist soundbyte type critiques of Obama.

She was asked a question during an interview whether she thought it was an issue, and she said he should have to produce a birth certificate because she had to produce one when liberals said Trig wasn't her baby during the campaign. Whoopdie doo.

"That's what Sarah Palin thinks Americans ought to worry about" - uh, no

[rafathegaffa83]

From Times Online
January 12, 2010
Sarah Palin campaign was a 'train wreck', insiders say

Sarah Palin and John McCain tried to present a united front, but his advisers had misgivings about the Alaska Governor
Jenny Booth

Fresh details emerged today of the backroom dramas as Sarah Palin alarmed her campaign managers with a string of gaffes during her run for vice-president in 2008.

Race of a Lifetime, a new book by John Heilemann and Mark Halperin which is serialised in The Times this week, reveals that advisers to John McCain were taken aback by how little Mrs Palin knew about politics and history when she was confirmed as Mr McCain's Republican running mate after a cursory, 12-hour selection process.

"You guys have a lot of work to do," Steve Schmidt, Mr McCain's campaign chief, is said to have told the experts he had recruited to tutor her. "She doesn't know anything."

Heilemann and Halperin write: "Palin couldn't explain why North Korea and South Korea were separate nations. She didn't know what the Fed [the Federal Reserve] did. Asked who attacked America on 9/11, she suggested several times that it was Saddam Hussein. Asked to identify the enemy that her son would be fighting in Iraq, she drew a blank. Later, on the plane, Palin said to her team: 'I wish I'd paid more attention to this stuff'."

The authors say that, after "cramming furiously", writing newly acquired facts on white index cards that she studied at night, Mrs Palin managed to emerge intact from an interview with Charlie Gibson on ABC News, a "success" that led to the unwise decision to grant Katie Couric of CBS News the right to conduct a multi-part television interview. The move was a public relations disaster for the McCain camp.

"When Couric asked her to name examples of McCain's efforts to regulate the economy, Palin said: 'I'll try to find some and bring them to you'. Asked about the relevance of Russia's closeness to Alaska, she replied: 'As Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the USA, where do they go? It's Alaska'," the authors relate.

Yesterday, in the first serialised extract in The Times, it emerged that Mrs Palin became so overwhelmed by her preparation for one of the Couric interviews that she announced, "I hate this make-up". She smeared it off her face, "messing up her hair, complaining that she looked fat".

Today the authors reveal that the failures affected Mrs Palin's nerves. "Palin flew to Philadelphia to spend the next week concentrating on debate prep. The next two days were a total train wreck. Never before had Palin's team seen her so profoundly out of sorts for such a sustained period. She wasn't eating (a few small bites of steak a day, no more). She wasn't drinking (maybe half a can of Dr Pepper; no water, ever). She wasn't sleeping (not much more than a couple of hours a night, max).

"The index cards were piling up by the hundreds, but Palin wasn't absorbing the material written on them. When her aides tried to quiz her, she would routinely shut down – chin on her chest, arms folded, eyes cast to the floor, speechless and motionless, lost in what those around her described as a kind of catatonic stupor."

Asked if the preparations weren't worth it for the prospect of power, Mrs Palin is said to have replied darkly: "No. If I'd known everything I know now, I would not have done this."

One of her advisers sent an urgent SOS to McCain headquarters, the authors continue. "They began discussing a new and threatening possibility: that Palin was mentally unstable."

She cheered up when she was plucked out of the fetid hotel room where the failed cramming session had taken place and taken to the more comfortable surroundings of Mr McCain's ranch, with a doctor on hand, the authors relate. But Mrs Palin continued to alarm campaign managers with her howlers as she prepared for her head-to-head debate with Joe Biden, the Democrat vice-presidential candidate.

"She continued to stumble over an unavoidable element: her rival's name. Over and over, Palin referred to Obama's running mate as 'Senator Obiden' – or was it 'O'Biden'? – and the corrections weren't sticking." In the event, Mrs Palin famously strode on stage, stuck her hand out and said: "Hey, can I call you Joe?"

Soon Mrs Palin began to show a still more disturbing propensity, the authors write. "It wasn't long before the signs appeared that Palin was going rogue. She thrashed Obama for 'palling around with terrorists'. Palin said that Obama's pastor, Rev Jeremiah Wright, should be fair game and implicitly criticised McCain for not leading the charge."

They write that Mr McCain was shielded from the full force of his own campaign team's dismay at Mrs Palin's unfitness for office, but that his staffers held serious discussions about what to do if he won the election, placing Mrs Palin's hands on the levers of power.

"Some in McCainworld were ridden with guilt over elevating Palin to within striking distance of the White House," the authors claim, adding that while Mrs Palin's fans in the US public continued to cheer her on, the national media and political establishments – once so ready to give her a chance – dismissed her as "a hick on a high wire".

 More than a year on, Mrs Palin remains hugely popular in the US, particularly with members of the grassroots tea party movement of disaffected conservatives who fear that Mr Obama is leading America towards socialism. She has more than 1.1 million Facebook followers.

In July she stepped down as Governor of Alaska, a move that surprised her supporters and fuelled speculation on her next career step – with predictions ranging from seeking the presidency in 2012 to hosting a conservative talk show.

She told Barbara Walters in an interview in November that a presidential bid in 2012 was not on her radar, but did not rule out playing some kind of role in the next US presidential election. She has recently enjoyed success with her best-selling memoir Going Rogue, which was published four months after she left office.

Today it emerged that she is to take her conservative message to Fox News as a regular commentator. The US cable channel said that she would offer political commentary and analysis on its TV programming, its website, radio network and business cable channel.

She also will host occasional episodes of Real American Stories, a new series intended to feature inspirational tales about Americans who have overcome adversity.

"Governor Palin has captivated everyone on both sides of the political spectrum and we are excited to add her dynamic voice to the Fox News line-up," Bill Shine, executive vice president of programming, said in a statement.

Mrs Palin said in a statement posted on the network's website: "It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news."

Race of a Lifetime, published yesterday, is based on more than 200 interviews with the 2008 candidates and their staffs, and has already caused controversy in Washington.

It forced Senator Harry Reid into a humiliating apology to Mr Obama at the weekend for describing him as a "light-skinned" African-American with "no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one".
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6984739.ece?token=null&offset=12&page=2

[Corkboy]

From the above...

"Some in McCainworld were ridden with guilt over elevating Palin to within striking distance of the White House,"

Really?

[Mutton Geoff]

now going to be a mouthpiece on the ultra rightwing fox TV, just the right place for her!

[Alan_X]

now going to be a mouthpiece on the ultra rightwing fox TV, just the right place for her!

Mrs Palin said in a statement posted on the network's website: "It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news."

You couldn't make it up. I still think the most staggering thing about Tina Fey's portrayal of Palin was the fact that she just read exactly what the Governer of Alaska actually said.

[Alucard]

Mrs Palin said in a statement posted on the network's website: "It's wonderful to be part of a place that so values fair and balanced news."

Ha! After all the crap that went on with Obama and Fox a couple of months ago, I probably expected her to say something like this.

[rafathegaffa83]

This this was my favourite part

Heilemann and Halperin write: "Palin couldn't explain why North Korea and South Korea were separate nations. She didn't know what the Fed [the Federal Reserve] did. Asked who attacked America on 9/11, she suggested several times that it was Saddam Hussein. Asked to identify the enemy that her son would be fighting in Iraq, she drew a blank. Later, on the plane, Palin said to her team: 'I wish I'd paid more attention to this stuff'."

[Bootle]

Wonder if the Dirty Digger will be pleased, his new pundit getting discredited in his own paper?

[bleedsred1978]

Didnt think Rafa would offer her a new contract..

[Corkboy]

Sarah Palin's old-fashioned Palm Pilot

Sarah Palin had the notes for her speech in the palm of her hand - literally
          o Tim Dowling
          o The Guardian, Tuesday 9 February 2010
         

Sarah Palin's hand shows her crib notes at the Tea Party Convention at the weekend. Photograph: Ed Reinke/AP

We have all had occasion to write on our hand, either because no paper was available or because we knew we'd probably forget the bit of ­paper along with the thing we'd written on it (although if your memory's in that sort of shape, you probably won't be able to find a pen).

There is a big difference, however, between scrawling "bin liners" on the back of your hand before you go to the shops and reading off your palm on tele­vision, as ­Sarah Palin did during the Tea Party Convention at the weekend. Photographs of her speaking show one hand clearly decorated with crib notes. Close-ups ­reveal she'd written ­"Energy" and "Budget cuts". Then she had clearly crossed out "Budget" and written "Tax". ­Under that were the words "Lift American spirits". That last one is a bit cryptic, although it could be a ­reminder to shoplift a specific brand of cigarette later.

Palin didn't make use of what people are already calling the ­Hillbilly Palm ­Pilot during her speech, but she did make the mistake of waving it around as she ­criticised President Obama for using a teleprompter. She then rather obviously paused to consult it during a subsequent Q&A session.

She appears, however, to be an untutored cheat, incapable of reading surreptitiously and wholly unaware that you should always write your answers on the inside of the wrist below the sleeve line, or neatly along the sides of your fingers.

But she should have realised that this type of note-taking leaves no room for crossing-out; unless you're ambidextrous, you can't carry over to the other hand.

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[jambutty]

White House gets in on Sarah Palin's 'hillbilly palm pilot' stunt
 Kiran Randhawa
10.02.10
The White House has ridiculed Sarah Palin for reading from notes scrawled on her palm during a speech.

Barack Obama's press secretary Robert Gibbs showed the words “hope” and “change” on his hand at his daily briefing with reporters.

His list, which also included eggs, milk and the word bread crossed out, poked fun at the former Republican vice-presidential nominee for using crib notes during a speech at a rally in Nashville, Tennessee.

Many in the room, where President Obama had spoken moments before about the need for bipartisanship, groaned at his stunt.

Mrs Palin's notes — dubbed a “hillbilly palm pilot” — were caught on film during a question and answer session after she was given a rapturous reception for her speech to the National Tea Party convention on Saturday.

TV cameras filmed her seated on stage, used the microphone she was holding in a clumsy attempt to disguise the fact that she was peering at her notes. Close-ups of the video footage showed that she had written in her palm “energy”, “budget cuts” (with the word “budget” crossed out), “tax”, and “lift American spirits”.

Minutes earlier, she had been deriding Mr Obama as “a charismatic guy with a teleprompter”.

One US commentator wrote: “Sarah Palin knew that speech like the back of her hand. The Q&A answers, however, were on the front of her hand.”

She was appearing at the convention for the Tea Party movement, which is opposed to Mr Obama's healthcare reform and his economic stimulus package. Members are anti-abortion and support tax cuts.

Mrs Palin is unphased by the criticism. Yesterday she deliberately waved her hand around during a rally in Texas, making sure that the cameras caught the words “Hi Mom!” written in black ink on her palm.




Just think.  In 4 years she'll be even older and stupider than she is now.

And deffo not as hot.

[Alan_X]

How the fuck is this woman still around? Not just stupid as fuck but revelling in it. Please grow the fuck up America - you're better than this...


Aren't you?...

[El Campeador]

How the fuck is this woman still around? Not just stupid as fuck but revelling in it. Please grow the fuck up America - you're better than this...


Aren't you?...

Sadly not. Politics and elections over here these days are all about popularity contests, not educated choices as to who would make good decisions. As I always say, if the American electorate was in charge of LFC, Rafa wouldn't have made it past halftime...







...of the Olympiakos match.

[Alan_X]

Sadly not. Politics and elections over here these days are all about popularity contests, not educated choices as to who would make good decisions. As I always say, if the American electorate was in charge of LFC, Rafa wouldn't have made it past halftime...







...of the Olympiakos match.

To be fair it looks like we're about to elect our own vacuous bubble-headed pretty-boy in the UK. 

[Lush is the best medicine...]

Sadly not. Politics and elections over here these days are all about popularity contests, not educated choices as to who would make good decisions.

to be honest i've always felt that a large number of americans would rather vote for someone who they'd go for a beer with than someone who's a bit of a dull geek who can get things done (only explains how bush beat gore and kerry, well the first one was cheating)

To be fair it looks like we're about to elect our own vacuous bubble-headed pretty-boy in the UK. 

did a similar thing in 1997 too

[Vinay]

Personally, I have no problems with 'crib notes'  (except for exams, of course! that would be cheating).  However, because it is Sarah Palin and because the crib notes were actually for stuff my 4th grader son would be able to memorise and talk about (but then, that is an unfair comparison as that boy is well smart), I cannot but think that this woman is very quickly becoming a clown and an embarrassment. 

[Vinay]

Sadly not. Politics and elections over here these days are all about popularity contests, not educated choices as to who would make good decisions. As I always say, if the American electorate was in charge of LFC, Rafa wouldn't have made it past halftime...







...of the Olympiakos match.

And when the fellah is both charismatic, can enjoy a beer with you and clever, and I mean well clever, like Obama?

[Finn Solomon]

The thing about the palm notes is not that she uses it, plenty of people do that. It's the fact she made such a big effing deal over Obama's use of a teleprompter.

She's just a coward and a lowlife, quitting her post of governor when the recession reached its height. The fact that she's the GOP's biggest star speaks volumes about their supporters.

[jerseyhoya]

In the ABC/Washington Post poll out today, Palin's favorability rating is 37-55%, which is quite bad. Only 26% of the public think she is qualified to be president, compared to 71% who say she isn't. A majority of Republicans say she is not qualified to be president. She continues to get attention from the press because she has a group of people that really like her, and there are a hell of a lot of liberals who seem to enjoy following her every move (see: this thread), so coverage gets viewers/ratings. If elections are like popularity contests, she's probably not going to ever win another election.

[Corkboy]

there are a hell of a lot of liberals who seem to enjoy following her every move (see: this thread),

True. It's a guilty pleasure of mine.

[Lush is the best medicine...]

True. It's a guilty pleasure of mine.

everybody loves a car crash

[El Campeador]

And when the fellah is both charismatic, can enjoy a beer with you and clever, and I mean well clever, like Obama?

Then we give em 9 months, and turn on them when the sky doesn't rain dollars upon our lawns.

[El Campeador]

True. It's a guilty pleasure of mine.

You're a liberal??

[jerseyhoya]

Why the mainstream media loves Sarah Palin

[Corkboy]

Why the mainstream media loves Sarah Palin

Good piece, thanks.

She is a sideshow, an oddity. Her problem with the party is that she has no significant base, no network of supporters who are a crucial part of any serious pol. That's why they didn't know anything about her, and why they still don't know how to treat her.

[El Campeador]

Why the mainstream media loves Sarah Palin

Excellent reading. It proves what I've suspected all along.

True. It's a guilty pleasure of mine.

Sarah Palin is porn for Corkboy.

[Brian Blessed]

Palin, daughter lash out at 'Family Guy' episode
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Delicious Digg Facebook Fark Newsvine Reddit StumbleUpon Technorati Twitter Yahoo! Bookmarks Print  AP – Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin speaks before the NASCAR Daytona 500 auto race at Daytona International … By BECKY BOHRER, Associated Press Writer Becky Bohrer, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 51 mins ago
JUNEAU, Alaska – Sarah Palin is lashing out at the portrayal of a character with Down syndrome on the Fox animated comedy "Family Guy." In a Facebook posting headlined "Fox Hollywood — What a Disappointment," the 2008 Republican vice presidential nominee and current Fox News contributor said Sunday night's episode felt like "another kick in the gut." Palin's youngest son, Trig, has Down syndrome.

The episode features the character Chris falling for a girl with Down syndrome. On a date, he asks what her parents do.

She replies: "My dad's an accountant, and my mom is the former governor of Alaska."

Palin resigned as Alaska governor last summer.

Palin's oldest daughter, Bristol, also was quoted on her mother's Facebook page, calling the show's writers "heartless jerks."

"When you're the son or daughter of a public figure, you have to develop thick skin. My siblings and I all have that, but insults directed at our youngest brother hurt too much for us to remain silent," she is quoted as saying.

"If the writers of a particularly pathetic cartoon show thought they were being clever in mocking my brother and my family yesterday, they failed," Bristol Palin added in the Monday posting. "All they proved is that they're heartless jerks."

Palin wrote that she'd asked her daughter what she thought of the show and Bristol's reply was "a much more restrained and gracious statement than I want to make about an issue that begs the question: When is enough enough?"

This isn't the first time Palin has spoken out over an attack, real or perceived, on her family. Last year, she condemned a joke David Letterman made about her daughter, for which he later apologized.

A "Family Guy" publicist didn't immediately return an e-mail seeking comment.

[El Campeador]

Fuck you Palin.

You cannot simutaneously put a witness on the stand and complain about cross examination tactics.

Either stop trying to score cheap points in the abortion debate by waving your handicapped child around, or stop moaning when some tasteless television channel addresses the issue you made an issue in the first place.

[nyctex]

Fuck you Palin.

You cannot simutaneously put a witness on the stand and complain about cross examination tactics.

Either stop trying to score cheap points in the abortion debate by waving your handicapped child around, or stop moaning when some tasteless television channel addresses the issue you made an issue in the first place.

Wow you are obsessed .  She is hot though

[El Campeador]

You voted for her. How smart do you feel now, eh?

[nyctex]

You voted for her. How smart do you feel now, eh?

Over Biden as VP?  you tell me.   

[Brian Blessed]

Well, if you're voting for VPs over presidential candidates, you're fucked right there.

[El Campeador]

Put yourself on the record as saying you'd rather vote for a ticket that had Palin on it than Biden.

I dare you.